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*MAFIA* => Help => Topic started by: *MAFIA* Hellraiser on May 26, 2010, 12:07:28 PM
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Ok, I have been doing some searching and I am trying to make my desktop wireless. From what I found it says either a USB or a wireless PCI adapter. Are they the only way to go? I want my pc fast, well as fast as I can get it while being wireless. My router will be in the same room as my desktop, just not close enough to run a cable, and I don't want cables all over my house. My desktop will be maybe, 8 feet from the router. What is the best way to go?
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Its not going to make that much of a difference running wireless on "ping" times when gaming, maybe extra 1 or 2 ping is all. As for file transfer, not that big of a deal as well.
To start what wireless router are you using or haven't you gotten one yet, so you need both the card and router?
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I have a wirless router. It is a Belkin Wireless G router. Is that good or should I step it up a bit? It seems to work ok with my Playstation 3, which is in my living room right now, and the router is in another room. I have very little, if any lag.
This is the one I have.
http://www.belkin.com/iwcatproductpage.process?product_id=136493
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N gives you 2x+ the speed over G. Its up to you if you want to upgrade or not on the router. If not then get a card that is N and G, this way you will have the card to handle the N if and when you get that N router, if they still sell both N and G.
I think there is also a "N1", I know nothing about it, but I would have to assume it is even faster (maybe more stable of stray signals?) then N.
Myself, I like Linksys for networking (but I am not a pro networker so better could be out there)... http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/viewcategory.htm?categoryId=551966 . Go to Newegg to buy IMO.
G card (I could have missed it, but I didn't see N and G)... http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/adapters/Linksys-WMP54G-Adapter-Front-Page_stcVVproductId53934605VVcatId552009VVviewprod.htm
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I usually buy Linksys, they have good equipment. I am also thinking about upgrading as you said. That was just a quick fix when I moved in here to get my net and stuff up and running. Thanks. All I have to do is fix these little blue screens, which I think I may have, and then I will get that stuff. Thanks ReLoaded.
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I have a Trendnet TEW-633GR. I had if for 2 plus years and dick-ed it up when I tried to flash the firmware. Call tech support and found it has a 3 year warranty. They couldn't fix it so they sent me a new one.
Trendnet FTW
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the belkin will do, just get a cheap usb card and have at it. pay $$$ more and maybe get a 2 to 5 % performance increase. your choice.
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Ok, got the cp working pretty good now. I have one more question, is there such thing as too much ram? One of the ram sticks I got in the mail is bad, go figure. I am sending it back to get a new one. I am also thinking about buying another 2 gig stick, because I am used to running 4. Now, when I get that other 2 gig stick back, that will put me at 6 gigs. Will my cp work faster or will it basically stay the same? I would like to know before I go out buying more. Thanks.
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Ok, got the cp working pretty good now. I have one more question, is there such thing as too much ram? One of the ram sticks I got in the mail is bad, go figure. I am sending it back to get a new one. I am also thinking about buying another 2 gig stick, because I am used to running 4. Now, when I get that other 2 gig stick back, that will put me at 6 gigs. Will my cp work faster or will it basically stay the same? I would like to know before I go out buying more. Thanks.
No you could never have to much ram (if, see "if" below), BUT all ram should be the same manufacture (well yes and no, but it is best), same size, speed, timing and so on to get the best performance.
If... (from above) you are using 32bit OS, the ram wont be seen over 3gb... So say you are using XP 64bit then you are GTG with as much ram the computer will take, but if using XP 32bit then only 3gb will be seen... So you just spent extra money on ram that will never be used by the 32bit OS. In short, 64bit OS, then RAM her up she will use all of it.
Run faster? Yes and no. It will load programs faster, it will write faster, it will read faster, but it wont "compute" faster. Your CPU is the "speed" of the computer, the more RAM you have the more the Hard Drive can spill out for the next task because the RAM can store the extra info waiting to be used.
Lets use BF1942 gaming for example (I know bad example, just for fun)... There are 2 players/computers. You have more RAM then the other person, but you both have the same CPU, you having more RAM will get you in the game faster, faster loading of the Map, so you will be sitting there waiting for other player, but once the other player loads the map, you two having the same CPU makes it a even playing field. I hope that makes sense :-\
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No you could never have to much ram (if, see "if" below), BUT all ram should be the same manufacture (well yes and no, but it is best), same size, speed, timing and so on to get the best performance.
If... (from above) you are using 32bit OS, the ram wont be seen over 3gb... So say you are using XP 64bit then you are GTG with as much ram the computer will take, but if using XP 32bit then only 3gb will be seen... So you just spent extra money on ram that will never be used by the 32bit OS. In short, 64bit OS, then RAM her up she will use all of it.
Run faster? Yes and no. It will load programs faster, it will write faster, it will read faster, but it wont "compute" faster. Your CPU is the "speed" of the computer, the more RAM you have the more the Hard Drive can spill out for the next task because the RAM can store the extra info waiting to be used.
Lets use BF1942 gaming for example (I know bad example, just for fun)... There are 2 players/computers. You have more RAM then the other person, but you both have the same CPU, you having more RAM will get you in the game faster, faster loading of the Map, so you will be sitting there waiting for other player, but once the other player loads the map, you two having the same CPU makes it a even playing field. I hope that makes sense :-\
Makes perfect sense! Thanks. Now I just have to go home and check to see what OS I am running. I do believe it is only 32. I want to make sure though. Thanks for your help!
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Ok, what is a good or great wireless router? Plus, I have a usb wirless adapter for my desktop. Is it better to get and actual card? I mean my net starts up and runs fine. I want a good a good set up so I can play bf42 and be on vent without or little lag. Make sense? I think my router is a piece of shit, and I am willing to get a new one, I just want to make sure it is a good one and I won't have to go update every freaking year.
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Cable or DSL?
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Cable!
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Ok 1st lets see what your speed is, run this test http://www.speedtest.net and post the result (use the recommended server), this is mine for a example of what to post...
(look for "copy forum link" and post that link)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/835600660.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
I'll tell you right off, if you are not showing a down load speed of at least 4.0 Mp/s and a upload of .50 Mp/s, your connection is not going to give you a perfect Vent/BF42 at the same time connection.
EDIt... I'll be back in a few, I have to take care of the little one getting off the bus.
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I will be able to do this when I hit the house. I am at my office right now. I will be heading that way in about an 45 mins. Then I will post it.
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Pretty good for peak times in this busy area.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/835660319.png)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/835661527.png)
Loaded, if he has cable I'm pretty sure that speed is not going to be a huge issue. Running Vent and BF42 is not a huge strain on the network compared to other things like torrents.
Just go for a Netgear router that fits your budget. I've had Linksys and had problems with it after a year or two of running it, but those things are not really meant to last that long anyways. Netgear has not failed on me in the last 2 years so it's running great. If you see Wireless N or Draft N, those will give you a little advantage over G but that's only if you have a card in your desktop that supports the N technology. If you don't have a wired or wireless card that supports, you're just wasting your money. Of course there's nothing wrong with B/G routers, it's just that N is the newer technology.
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I agree, I'll withdraw my speed limits.
I am sure Hellraiser doesn't care if you are running right out of your ISP's office, it doesn't matter to him what "your" speed is.
I have to disagree on your bad luck with Linksys, I haven't had any bad luck with them at all (but again I am not a network pro, I'm just a home guy). But as always, one person could have good luck on one company and bad luck on another. I still stand by my recommendation of Linksys.
EDIT... To add, he has told us what he has/needs in other posts in this thread.
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(http://www.speedtest.net/result/835767951.png) (http://www.speedtest.net) Ok, this is what I got.
Now I am gonna get a N router, but should I get a card as well, or is the USB good enough?
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You need to have a PCI card in the computer if you want to get internet wirelessly.
Even if you get a USB card for it, how will you make it wireless? You need to have an ethernet cable going from your Comcast cable modem to your router. The router that you'll get probably won't have a USB port, since those are used for print servers and Network Attached Storage (NAS). Now in order for your computer to get internet wirelessly, you'll need to have a PCI network wireless card for it to get the signal. In laptops, this is what's built into it.
So why are you asking about USB, just wondering.
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I have a wireless modem. It is set up and running. I went out and bought a usb wireless adapter for my desktop. It is kind of like a thumb drive, but it picks up wireless signals. I was just wondering if a wireless card would be faster!
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USB doesn't have the coverage that a PCI card has since most USB adapters don't have the kind of antennas that PCI cards do. It's ok for laptops but for a desktop it would be good to use a PCI adapter. If you're looking for a long term solution, go with the PCI.
Here's what I got from one site:
PCI connections are mechanically robust
PCI cards are screwed in place
Any one pin in a PCI connector has more surface area than all of the pins in a USB connection together.
PCI cards have more surface area, exposed to air in motion. Cooling.
PCI cards have room for a proper external antenna connector, an RP-TNC
USB is a convenient expedient or temporary solution. Tolerable in a laptop, second rate in a desktop.
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I'll step aside and let Scooby take over on this, no reason to have 2 people giving their thoughts, just leads to confusion.
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Ok, so PCI it is. Now, this may be a stupid question, but are all PCI cards universal? Or do I need to have my MB info and match one to it?
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Ok, so PCI it is. Now, this may be a stupid question, but are all PCI cards universal? Or do I need to have my MB info and match one to it?
I can reply to that... A "PCI" is a PCI, no match needed.
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I can reply to that... A "PCI" is a PCI, no match needed.
Sweet! I will pick one up today at lunch and go from there. Thanks!
Edit... Damnit hit wrong icon again, ReLoaded
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Sweet! I will pick one up today at lunch and go from there. Thanks!
Hold you horses there buddy! Yea PCI card is a PCI card, But do you know what type of Router you are getting? Get the router FIRST, then match up the card to it. I am not saying you have to get it from the same company, but you want to make sure you are in the same specs for the router/PCI card. And why in the hell are you buying local (don't give me that, "helping my local retailer crap", they aren't helping you with the high prices and sales tax)? You can save 20%+ just waiting a few days and going to Newegg or other on line store (well if you are on a base store, then I understand).
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This is the router
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127243
and I am thinking this card. Tell me what you think.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/D-Link+-+Xtreme+N+Wireless-N+Desktop+Expresscard/8333868.p?id=1175902229730&skuId=8333868
Or fuck it, I may just put a whole in my wall for a freakin cable to fit through instead of spending $200.
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This is the router
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127243
and I am thinking this card. Tell me what you think.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/D-Link+-+Xtreme+N+Wireless-N+Desktop+Expresscard/8333868.p?id=1175902229730&skuId=8333868
Or fuck it, I may just put a whole in my wall for a freakin cable to fit through instead of spending $200.
Lots of money, but yes I think that would do you just fine.
The hole is the best thing you can do. You can make it neat if the cable is in a box on the other side. Just remove the box, drill a hole on the other side and add a cable face plate, no box needed (no way at all I can see what you have, so I am just guessing here).
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If you're spending $200 on getting wireless, you're doing it wrong. You don't need a $180 router and you don't need the wireless N. If all you do is play games, ventrilo, and web browsing you are spending way too much. This should all be under $80 and even that's a lot. I'll look on newegg when I get home but my advice is to not buy this. Unless of course money is no issue, then go ahead with it.
Also $70 pci card...WTF? Oh wait, it's Best Buy...i should have expected it...
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OK so I got my laptop, and need to set up a wireless network now. From looking at this thread, it looks like all i need to get is a router (which i can get for free from comcast). What i wanted to know though is do i need an adaptor for my desktop computer? Or can i still have that wired to my modem? The laptop, wii, psp, and ipods all have built in wireless card stuff but my old desktop would need an adapter if its going to lose its wired connection to the modem.
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OK so I got my laptop, and need to set up a wireless network now. From looking at this thread, it looks like all i need to get is a router (which i can get for free from comcast). What i wanted to know though is do i need an adaptor for my desktop computer? Or can i still have that wired to my modem? The laptop, wii, psp, and ipods all have built in wireless card stuff but my old desktop would need an adapter if its going to lose its wired connection to the modem.
+rep for making this chart
http://i53.tinypic.com/2urnwbl.jpg
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2urnwbl.jpg)
If for some reason you have to have your desktop be wireless, then you'll need to get a PCI wireless adapter, something like these. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000031&IsNodeId=1&Description=pci%20wireless%20adapter&name=Wireless%20Adapters) The method shown in the picture is a wired setup for your desktop, not wireless. Wired is much faster.
Also don't get a Comcast router, even if it is for free. Get yourself a decent router from Netgear or Linksys and hook it up the way I have in the picture. Comcast routers suck ass, are really slow, and your signal isn't that strong.
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+rep for making this chart
http://i53.tinypic.com/2urnwbl.jpg
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2urnwbl.jpg)
If for some reason you have to have your desktop be wireless, then you'll need to get a PCI wireless adapter, something like these. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000031&IsNodeId=1&Description=pci%20wireless%20adapter&name=Wireless%20Adapters) The method shown in the picture is a wired setup for your desktop, not wireless. Wired is much faster.
Also don't get a Comcast router, even if it is for free. Get yourself a decent router from Netgear or Linksys and hook it up the way I have in the picture. Comcast routers suck ass, are really slow, and your signal isn't that strong.
Thanks a ton dude, that actually helped a lot lol. I'm just gonna have to put up with the comcast one for now though. The router will be about 7 ft away from our wii and maybe 20 feet from where the laptop will be so the signal cant be that horrible. And at the very least, i'll know how to set up a new router when we get one. Plus rep for you!!!
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Fuck that! I am disabling my wireless destop! Offline is a fucking chinese teerorist and I am sure he planted a bomb or some other type of device in you cp to kill you!
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Got the new router set up and running. The one I got from comcast is a netgear router, and it works fine. Plus i'm pretty sure you'd have to be retarded to not be able to figure out the instructions they send with the package. As for the quality of this free router, I'm all the way on the other side of the house and the signal is at 90% and loads pretty damn fast. So i'm pretty happy.