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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: Blacksheep_1 on May 17, 2005, 06:17:21 PM
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Hey Bettlejuice...
I am glad you left that thread regarding your faith and God on our forum. It did spark a bit of conversation and i am pleased that many people stood by you and your convictions.
I too have a strong Christian faith and I think it was cool when you brought up God in your thread. I know where my strength comes from and when i should be tollerant of those criticize. Anyway... just wanted to say it was cool.
Thanks
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Yes, that was a very noble deed. I too am a very strong Christian, and I'm glad you fought on the right side. I know Thrill Kill may seem a little.....ove r dramatic about somethings, but thank you for being the better person and using God in our forums. For that, you shall recieve rep.:D
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Alright guys thanks. I really appreciate it.
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IM proud to be a christian. God blees america God blees wolves god bless everyone
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Ha, I just noticed that you're still spelling it "bettlejuice" with 2 "t"s. Its "Beetlejuice" with 2 "e"s. But whatever, no big deal.
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HA! I am basically jesus!
Except I diddnt nail myself to a cross for sympathy points.
Christianity is so fucked up...listen to yourselves. Its pathetic.
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Oh great here we go. Its all downhill from here. Bring it on I guess, I've heard it all before........ .....
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Your all retarded all you have is yourself god does not interfere with mans deeds anymore and dont tell me he does you watch a child die of some fucking disease and stand there and tell me god interveans...I say man needs to hurry the fuck up and get it on with the nukes so the earth can be cleaned.
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HAHA when has god ever intervened in mans life? If your gonna take examples from the BIBLE then your an idiot cuz that lame ass book was made by a bunch of cavemen that ate people to survive. My proof that god doesn't intervene: 6 million+ jews died during ww2.
"God is no respecter of persons"
-Bible, Acts 10:34
"A God who let us prove his existence would be an idol"
-Dietrich Bonhoeffer
"We can know what God is not, but we cannont know what he is"
-Saint Augustine
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him"
-Voltaire
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i don't believe in god, never have believed in it/him, and never will believe in it/him....
if there was any "god" he wouldn't let childern die and stuff like that...
so, boe has spoken :P
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Ya it is for a perpose. If a child dies cxause he probaly was the devil. bonehead rad revaltions kinda like nukes.
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everyone in hell is a christian.
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i like nukes aswell :P, i tihnk its a very good idea of daddy :D
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yup that is the way kill everyone then what are you left with nothing good idea.
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Anyone who has given it any sort of rational thought would come to the conclusion that God, Religion, etc are completely human. There is nothing divine about anything in this world except for the fairy-tales told in the Bible. Believing said tales is just wishful thinking.
No one who truly understands what God is supposed to be could say, "Umm.. Yeah, I believe in God," because God is such an AWESOME concept that understanding it would probably make you either die or go crazy. Think about it - some dude up in Heaven is promising you an eternity of Bliss? Do you have a clue what that means? It's horse shit created by those who wanted a form of social control.
That being said, religion is a great tool to keep people somewhat civil and placated. However, it is founded on fiction. Any old sap can see that. Christianity will soon go the way of the Greek and Roman Mythology ---> to the History books and into the circular file of irrelevance.
Until then, Vivan los ilusiones y opiatas!
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"without evil there could be no good"...dont know who said it but it is true
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You gusy are the devils helpers.
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If theres a god, then why does this cat have a gun to its head?
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/Imagehost/database/mencken.jpg)
Also, my little boy would like to take this opportunity to say, eat shit fuckwads, I'm 3 and I think religion is a joke. Rock on.
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/Imagehost/database/Rockin.jpg)
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well ur going to hell, and Thats bonehead taking a cat as a hostage.
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well ur going to hell, and Thats bonehead taking a cat as a hostage.
Thats fine. You can scream about eternal damnation all you want, but, its somewhat less effective on an atheist.
I'm going to go sit on the toilet now and see if I can bring about the second coming.
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Ur stupid don;'t tell me that.
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Ur stupid don;'t tell me that.
Well, get ready for an orgy of religious fervor, because, either heyzeus was a very small black man with some rather odd features and a remarkable ability to float, or I have just vacated my bowels. Either way, feel free to praise him(it?).
Shouldn't you be out begatting whores or stoning people?
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for the same reason the guys finger isn't on the trigger and that meaning he dosn't want to accidentally shoot his cat
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for the same reason the guys finger isn't on the trigger and that meaning he dosn't want to accidentally shoot his cat
Since you know so much about guns, why don't you tell me why its so hard to 'accidentally' pull the trigger on a DAO pistol?
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i have no clue and nor do i really care.
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If theres a god, then why does this cat have a gun to its head?
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/Imagehost/database/mencken.jpg)
Also, my little boy would like to take this opportunity to say, eat shit fuckwads, I'm 3 and I think religion is a joke. Rock on.
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/Imagehost/database/Rockin.jpg)
Thats my kind of kid...Good job GWAR, I also like his mohawk. Its hardcore.
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for the same reason the guys finger isn't on the trigger and that meaning he dosn't want to accidentally shoot his cat
Since you know so much about guns, why don't you tell me why its so hard to 'accidentally' pull the trigger on a DAO pistol?
Uh....When did he ever say he knows "so much" about guns?
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That kid is freaking awesome man. I hope when I have kids they can be rockstars 2 lol. Pfftt..then again, kids = money loss, money loss = no fancy thing, no fancy things = me killing the cat. So it all works out.
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I thought this undertaker guy got banned? Or was he just kicked out?
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I was hoping to come back, I am a changed man.
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God rules no doubt . ppl go to hell if don't love god
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Thats my kind of kid...Good job GWAR, I also like his mohawk. Its hardcore.
Thank you, he's a good boy.
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/Imagehost/database/costumeback.jpg)
Trick or treat
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ROCK ON!!! :10:
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I never said god does not exsist I just said he doesnt intervean with the common life of man.
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I never said god does not exsist I just said he doesnt intervean with the common life of man.
So what do you say about this Bonehead, does that mean you do believe in God? Anyways, you're right, he doesn't intervean with the lives of humans. People may choose to live their lives the way they want. We all do, that is, live our lives differently from each other. That is what adds diversity to the United States of America. We may each do as we wish, within a limit of reasonable understanding. It says in the Bible that God has a plan with each and everyone of us. I don't understand it completely, but I think we all can choose to follow that path or not. It does say, however, that he does have a great plan for the world. So God doesn't stop people from killing cats, or babies dying. Though, that is why he has Christians, to witness and to save people. This is all coming from my prespectives of life. I have no intentions to disrespect any religion, nor to say that they are wrong. We all have our choice, and I have told you what mine is.
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You DO realize that the bible was written by man right?
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So what do you say about this Bonehead, does that mean you do believe in God? Anyways, you're right, he doesn't intervean with the lives of humans. People may choose to live their lives the way they want. We all do, that is, live our lives differently from each other. That is what adds diversity to the United States of America. We may each do as we wish, within a limit of reasonable understanding. It says in the Bible that God has a plan with each and everyone of us. I don't understand it completely, but I think we all can choose to follow that path or not. It does say, however, that he does have a great plan for the world. So God doesn't stop people from killing cats, or babies dying. Though, that is why he has Christians, to witness and to save people. This is all coming from my prespectives of life. I have no intentions to disrespect any religion, nor to say that they are wrong. We all have our choice, and I have told you what mine is.
Okay....A NOTE TO EVERYONE!!! I DONT WANT TO BE SAVED!!! FUCK OFF!!!
Heres something to ponder on....
Were both atheists....On ce you realize why you deny all other gods you will realize why I deny yours.
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You DO realize that the bible was written by man right?
Yes, I do realize that, but who told man to WRITE the Bible? The Bible has been around for almost 2,000 years. I don't think government has anything to do with it from all the way back then.
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Nobody told man to write the bible. Some smart cavemen decided to write it to keep the other cavemen in line. Telling them if they did this, that, and whatever, some all powerful being is going to strike their ass down. Its kind of ridiculous and unnecessary in this time.
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It's not about the government, it's about people trying to control people. Yes, the bible sure has been around for a long time, but how many times has it been rewritten and adapted to fit the controlling nature of man? I've never taken theology, so I don't have the exact answer to that question, but I know that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John sure weren't the last dudes to write in it :)
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Okay....A NOTE TO EVERYONE!!! I DONT WANT TO BE SAVED!!! FUCK OFF!!!
Heres something to ponder on....
Were both atheists....On ce you realize why you deny all other gods you will realize why I deny yours.
was anything he said directed to you. i dont think any of it was. was just stating what he though. correct me if i am wrong.
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"First of all Toblerone, Jesus did not nail Himself to the cross for sympathy points. It wasn't even nails that held Him to that cross. It was His love for us. Not just me, not just Beetle, but everyone. Even if you reject Him, He still loves you and always will.
Phantom, you quoted Acts 10:34. I'm gonna put the whole verse up from a different translation. I'm not sure of the version that you quoted, but this is from the New American Standard Bible.
"Opening his mouth, Peter said 'I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality."
"I think this might make more sense. It's like saying 'God loves Mafia more than any other clan', which is not true. He loves us all."
"Billy Rubin, the Bible has been translated over and over again, but it has NEVER been rewritten once. Words may come out differently in different translations, but the situations and trials that Jesus faced were the same over a thousand years ago as they are now.
Toblerone, one last thought. The comments that Death.Wish made weren't directed to you, and Death.Wish said that he is a Christian, not an athiest. It hurts my heart to hear that you don't want to be saved, because a life apart from God is something that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
Sgt. Major Boltz
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What about me? Nothing to say to me? Jesus is dead, so how can he love "us"?
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Jesus is not dead. He rose again. His human body is gone but his spirit remains. I can talk to any of you about any of this over AIM or ventrilo if you're really interested but posting about it in a forum will go nowhere. I just think its funny that all of you THINK you know the truth when in fact none of us really do.
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You all worship pawpaw thats all the "Truth" you will ever need :D
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im so glad "GOD" keeps us safe. http://www.funlol.com/funpages/cant-cry-enough.html lol fucking idiots u think all these ppl were bad ppl? now im not a good person and im still alive. trust me im not a good person in here or real life. but i still walk the earth and lots of these ppl didn't even say ass, shit, fuck, ect. ect. ect. there is no god and stop being scared of whats on the other side. if there is a hell and god shit i bet the devil is a lot cooler then fuck face up high. STUPID CHURCH FAGS IM OUT!
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Well shit I would hope you could have a civil conversation without having to resort to calling people "stupid church fags". Shows the maturity of the people in DOA I guess. Don't come around here saying shit like that about people's religions. I don't believe in any of that shit but it doesn't mean other people can't. You come around here doing that again you will find yourself NOT coming here anytime soon.
Jesus is not dead. He rose again. His human body is gone but his spirit remains. I can talk to any of you about any of this over AIM or ventrilo if you're really interested but posting about it in a forum will go nowhere. I just think its funny that all of you THINK you know the truth when in fact none of us really do.
Where's your proof? Did you witness this happen? Oh wait, you're talking about that book a bunch of cavemen wrote aren't you? Ah I see.
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Yes, I do realize that, but who told man to WRITE the Bible? The Bible has been around for almost 2,000 years. I don't think government has anything to do with it from all the way back then.
^Are you kidding me?
-Vanilla, you're from Destin? I'm from Gulf Breeze. Coincidence? I think not. We were meant to be together. Love me.
-Ins4n3 is right. Religion is an anachronism, and using it today is idiotic. The whole Bible is a farce, and believing it just means you are a wishful thinker - and that's totally human and understandable . It sucks that we just die, that our consciousnesse s are obliterated - but that's the way it is. No different from dogs, cats, trees, ladybugs or giraffes; we all. just. die. God can't expect us to believe and punish us for not if he's programmed us to be skeptics and disbelief in hocus pocus punjabi rubbish - like Himself. The closest I came to believing in God was when I did acid. That stuff is killer - esp. when you take 2 hits at once.
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THRILL KILL']now im not a good person and im still alive. trust me im not a good person in here or real life. but i still walk the earth and lots of these ppl didn't even say ass, shit, fuck, ect. ect. ect. there is no god and stop being scared of whats on the other side. if there is a hell and god shit i bet the devil is a lot cooler then fuck face up high. STUPID CHURCH FAGS IM OUT!
Wow Jason. There's a lot of stuff you don't know. There's more to it than that, but like I said its a conversation that needs to be held elsewhere. We went through all this same stuff on your forum, but the thread got DELETED.
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The Bible is 10000% correct. k
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Where's your proof? Did you witness this happen? Oh wait, you're talking about that book a bunch of cavemen wrote aren't you? Ah I see.
There is proof. His life has been accounted for by thousands of people. It is a fact that Jesus Christ walked the earth; no historian will debate that. Its just WHO HE WAS and what he did is what gets to topics like these. You'll read about all kinds of other stuff that happened long ago and believe that, just because people were there and put it in a history book, right? Or else I guess you could just sit in class and argue about everything the whole time - but most of us just accept it. There are lots of historic documents that can only be accounted for by several people, and yet we still regard them as truth.
So to answer your question, no, I obviously did not witness Jesus rising from the dead. But did you witness it? See what I'm getting at....Its about faith and believing. Here's what I believe (aka the "gospel"):
God created man. Man turned from God in sin. God sent Christ, his son. Christ lived and died. He died for me, you, everyone, to reconcile us to God. God is holy, perfect. We are sinful, imperfect. God desires a relationship with us but we are so filthy in sin and disobedience that a relationship is not possible with such a holy God. Christ dying for us, in our place, takes our sins, and restores that right relationship with God. All we are called to do is accept that this happened, and surrender control of our lives, and that's all (Rom 10:9; Heb 12:9). "It is finished.†(John 19:30) Until a change happens in our lives, we are dead. We are dead in our sins. No one is born into a right relationship with God. Until we realize how sinful we actually are and submit to God in his sovereignty, we are enemies of God (Rom 5:10; Col 1:21). In submission, we are called to accept that God is God and relinquish control of our lives. God is the only thing that can satisfy us. We were created for his pleasure, for us to have a relationship with him.
C.S. Lewis had a firm grasp on this concept. In his book Mere Christianity, he writes, "If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." God wants us to understand this and chase after him. There is no way that we are going to be able to earn our way into a relationship with God. If we could, there was no reason for Him to send His son to die on the cross for our sins (John 3:16). Another good book is "More Than A Carpenter" by Josh McDowell.
I'm not saying to go start reading the Bible and these other books, but it would help you to be more knowledgable on the subject. I haven't read the entire Bible myself. But thats not the point. The point is I and some others believe this is the truth and some of you don't. We're not here trying to "save" you. Thats not how it works. We tell you the truth and pray for you and the rest is up to God to change your heart and up to you to make the decision.
If you are seriously wanting to learn more or even argue more, I'd be glad to. You can email me at beetlejuice@mafiaowns.com, send me a PM, talk to me on Ventrilo, or send me an instant message on AIM (tjcrowley913). And if you're lucky I'll give you my phone number and we can talk/argue about it.
Now I know all of you are going to reply and say all the usual stuff. I've heard it all before, I use to say the same things. I guess its just a matter of having the last word, which I could care less about. This is just going to go back and forth forever with everyone repeating themselves and should eventually get moved to spam. I've seen what you have to say and I know how to go back and re-read. So go ahead and reply back and bash me and/or my religion, I'm done posting on this thread.
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that was well put. closed
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Nice job Beetlejuice, you explained it perfectly.
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"A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism" - Donald Morgan
Yeah lets move this to spam, I want to keep it going without whoring the good section.
Do you not want us to reply because you dont want us to spread the word of Atheism? Or should I say the non-word. Your allowed to post huge fucking posts about how good christianity is...why cant we post huge fucking posts about how much is blows? This isnt fucking china, I respect your beliefs, and if your going to preach to me by quoting the bible. I will preach to you. And in public.
Enough Said.
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You can say anything you all like but when it goes to "Your beliefs suck" then I am going to close this everyone has the god given right and freedom to believe in what they want if someone wants to worship money so what when the end comes all will be corrected.
So again any of you start craping on each other due to what the other wants to believe in and I will close this thread and not allow any more like it. Keep it civil keep it open minded and most of all keep the right to belief free.
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wow... i just wanted to thank him...
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AAAHAHAHAHAHA. ... ins4n3, your talking about our clans maturity. ok, yeah were imatur, ok buddy. and all i hear is a baby getting there feeling hurt. oh boo hoo he called me a church fag. go cry to yur mom u fucking baby.
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Well jason I can pretty much asume your gone so this is my goodbye if you are it wont be my choice but someone elses so I do hope you find some peace in life as you most likely wont find it here buh bye.
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OK lets break this down. You say I'm immature, theres your first mistake. Responding with the same insult I used is about as childish as you can get. Without of course calling me a "poopy head". Second of all, at least I can put together a comprehensible sentence that doesn't slaughter the English language.
I didn't call you a church fag, I was restating the childish comment you made. I simply was trying to keep the peace in this thread which you seem so intent on disrupting.
So as my final comment to you:
Have fun. Elsewhere.
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WOW! God has really made an imprint on society today. You look at what everyone has wrote and everyone has something different to say. And now you know why some people think that other people's beliefs are a bunch of bull shit. This is how war's get started. I think that if americans want to find a culprit for all of this shit, just look at a map of asia and bomb afghanistan. They are the problem lol. Bomb saddam, those mother fuckers. I'm done ranting, my fingers hurt.
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good cus your an idiot, and need to think about stuff before you write it. becuase what you say is the problem isn't really the probelm at all just people in those countries, not the whole country. every country has its people, even the us. so think before you go stereotyping a whole country.
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God rules. There answered!
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First of all I just wanna say high five to all of you with so much faith you are willing to stand up for what you believe.
My beliefs are different, and religion has made them that way (I used to be religious, now I'm not). If I had both the time and energy to research my point of view, I would be more than willing to engage in a discussion about this subject, unfortunately school takes too much time.
Beetlejuice, maybe you have been where I am right now (asking the same questions), but I just wanted to point out I have also been where you are right now. And if you find it funny that we (I'm refering to us non-bible reading people) all THINK we know the truth when in fact none of us really do, how do you think we feel?
I am also done with this thread spiritual beliefs are a pretty loaded subject. I hope I didn't offend anyone :)
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No Billy, atleast, you didn't offend me. I can't speak for others, but now to what you said earlier in your post. "And if you find it funny that we (I'm refering to us non-bible reading people) all THINK we know the truth when in fact none of us really do." That statement right there, I think might be the conclusion to this thread. Yes, I believe in God and trust in the Bible, but there are many things, in my perspective, that only God knows. There are many mysteries in the universe. Many that will never be explained, but we do not need to be bumming other people about their religions. Billy, you said you WERE religious. If you don't mind me asking, what religion was that? Christianity maybe?
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Heres a question for you jesus freaks.
For the purpose of disproving the existence of any and all gods I shall refer to your particular desert god as 'God.'
God created the Universe. God knows all, sees all. He's omnipotent. He knows the past, present and future all at once.
God created man, however, God knew everything that would happen to man at any given point in man's entire existence. Since God created everything, and, already knew ahead of time what would happen, everything is fated. There is no such thing as free will. But thats just a little tangent. Now that the set up is complete..
If God exists, then why do people suffer so much? Why are children killed, women raped, wars fought? You say because we can't know God's plan. Well then, if God knew all this would happen ahead of time, then why do logical people see this all as some huge cosmic joke?
God knew that Eve would eat the apple...he knew it for all eternity. He knew it before he made her. God knew every murder, rape, robbery and child molestation that would ever occur. Because he MADE it that way. So the question is, why?
So the option you're left with is either your god is weak and doesn't control as much as you think he does, or he's a rather sadistic god who enjoys creating playthings who have no real say in anything that happens.
There you go, there is no god.
PS. Misanthropy rulz
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There are a couple of things that you have mistaken there.
God did not know what would happen in the future. He has a PLAN for the future, not knowing it. People suffer because of sin, which entered the world merely over a week of the earth's creation. That's when Eve comes in, it might not have been an apple, it says fruit(thanks for Missa). Anyway, I come back to what I just said.
God didn't know that Eve was gonna eat the fruit, how could someone/something know what is in the future if it hasn't even been written yet? The book of Revelations talks about what the end of the world is going to be like. God does know this because, in my beliefs, he is all powerful and he has the power to stop any other force.
Now, for you comment about him either being weak, or having a sick mind. I explained part of that in my post. The other part is that he gave us the Bible. He told his disciples to write it. To write what he has taught them and glorify his word. In the Bible, it tells what you must do to get into heaven. How to over come sin and not have your spirit perish, but to live for all eternity in his kingdom.
For my closing statement, God does not stop sin. He just makes it so that all Christians can live through it and to reject temptation. He put us on this earth for us to be his servents, but he is a loving god that lets us live and be free. He has a plan, but there is not a complete fate for people. Though, there is one for the world and the entire universe. People choose if they want to be a Christian or not. So that means that they can also choose to believe. Which I know that many of you choose not to, but that's okay. I do not mean to disrespect anyone else's religion or faith. I just posted this to answer someone's question.
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For my closing statement, God does not stop sin. He just makes it so that all Christians can live through it and to reject temptation.
Are you saying only the Christians beleive in God......
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no did you read the rest of it, he is refering to christians in what he is saying. no where in that did he say just christians belive in God. because if you read further on the paragraph he says "us" which is refering the christians. those of which he and i and beetle are apart of.
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I dunno, I was tired when i posted taht and im still tired now so maybe thats the reason I interpreted it that way...im going to sleep soon...Ill edit it later......
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Hay God has a perpose. for all the happening. It's man who screws up the world. It's man who started crime. It's man who started every pecies of crap rape porn wars crime theft. You need to make it nice.