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[Elliott Smith]

If any of you want to hear an actual guitarist and not some showy tool who spent his years learning to shred on his guitar instead of developing his MIND, listen to Stephen Malkmus.

Stephen Malkmus - Pig Lib

Or pick up a Steve Reich album.  There's plenty of great stuff out there, too much to warrant a pissing match between your favorite hasbeens.

[*MAFIA* Capsloc]

just listen to the strokes and interpol and the sounds biznitches. http://www.thestrokes.com http://www.interpolny.com http://www.the-sounds.com .

but nothing beats classic rock.

[Twisted]

hell yea interpol i got their antics cd. pretty mellow

[*MAFIA* Wasserfaller]

just listen to the strokes and interpol and the sounds biznitches. http://www.thestrokes.com http://www.interpolny.com http://www.the-sounds.com .

but nothing beats classic rock.

lol, chris you're so not mexican if you like that stuff! Ah well, they're still good bands, oh ya does anyone know the band "Ram Jam" with their song Black Betty? love that song.

[*MAFIA* KrautKiller]

I just saw them in concert

[Elliott Smith]

just listen to the strokes and interpol and the sounds biznitches. http://www.thestrokes.com http://www.interpolny.com http://www.the-sounds.com .

but nothing beats classic rock.

The Sounds make gay music.  Drop them.  You need to be very careful about what media you allow yourself to be exposed to.  Take caution and realize that though your mind is shaped in ways you cannot control, wresting as much control over it should conjur the most emphatic cries.  Twisted, check out the other Interpol album.  I like it more than Antics, and you might too.  Never stop!  Everything you find interesting will want to abandon you. Realize this, and keep moving, for though it cannot fight the current which controls its movement, you have the choice to follow or abandon.

[ICEMAN]

If any of you want to hear an actual guitarist and not some showy tool who spent his years learning to shred on his guitar instead of developing his MIND, listen to Stephen Malkmus.

Stephen Malkmus - Pig Lib

Or pick up a Steve Reich album.  There's plenty of great stuff out there, too much to warrant a pissing match between your favorite hasbeens.

Ok, stephen, malkmus, that guy, has 0 talent.  He can't sing, he can't play guitar worth shit.  If he has a message he wants to express, all he has to do is say it.  I don't get why he is putting it through music, if he can't even play.

And if you're reply is I don't appreciate music... then you're wrong.  I love opera, I listen to classical music played on all instruments, I think Mandy Moore and Alicia Keys are some of the best female singers ever, Whitney Houston's voice gives me chills, Elton John is one of the greatest song writers of all time, SRV has more emotion and feeling in his fingers than an nu-age-non-washed-out-non-talented-emo-anti-corporation kid.  I love music, not pointless crap.  Anti-flag can suck my balls.

Maybe you're just too lazy to learn it, and don't get it.  There are lot of shred players who can play super fast, but with no feeling.  If you still think that way, with Becker, Vai, Satriani, Paul Gilbert, Al Di Meola... etc... then I'm going to have to say, you are not a musician.:^   Now I don't know what you think of them yet... so I'm not gonna say anything...

Heres my friend Drew:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=28710541

Chris:
http://www.chrisquigley.com/

Ken Burtch, awesome feeling in his stuff!:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34442840

The all-mighty rusty cooley:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=7340213

And definately, go look up the god Shawn Lane.

Developing the mind?  How about the fact that instrumental guitar... is developing your mind.  Learning complex scales, and organizing your thoughts if you're a writer.  Instead of listening to lyrics, you hear a guitar.  The guitar is now the voice.  You want to say a word, you bend the string and make the listener feel that way.  Anyone can say something, and understand it.  It's more of a challenge to hear something and be able to understand it.



Oh yeah, I'm a shred head, I have thousands of hours of guitar (not just plucking fast), under my belt.  The fact that your dumb ass who clearly hasn't experienced or looked into it, is pissing all over it right now, I'm pretty pissed.  If you don't understand it, don't say it.  One of the ways to feel shred music, is to play it.  Each note has it's own feel, each vibrato, and it's something that can only drive you when you know what that feels like.  First time I heard "Gray Flying Pianos" by Shawn Lane, I didn't know what to think of it.  About 6 months later, and playing a ton of jazz and shred/virtuoso, it almost gave me convulsions.

[*MAFIA* Capsloc]

The Sounds make gay music.  Drop them.  You need to be very careful about what media you allow yourself to be exposed to.  Take caution and realize that though your mind is shaped in ways you cannot control, wresting as much control over it should conjur the most emphatic cries.  Twisted, check out the other Interpol album.  I like it more than Antics, and you might too.  Never stop!  Everything you find interesting will want to abandon you. Realize this, and keep moving, for though it cannot fight the current which controls its movement, you have the choice to follow or abandon.

nah i like the sounds it's indie. and they are swedish.

[Death X]

they sound pretty cool (the first band)

[Elliott Smith]

Iceman, it's a very poor (and embarrassing) rhetorical strategy to invent arguments and then refute them.  Look, in your arrogance, did you consider that I do play music?   I do understand that complexity of music can be something you LEARN and IMITATE, but I'm more interested in INNOVATORS like Xiu Xiu and Steve Reich - that was my point.  Your friend Drew has learned to play the guitar moderately well, but he's not an innovator by any stretch of the imagination.  Chris Quigley and Ken Burtch do NOTHING for music.  So when I say developing the mind, I mean gathering resources with which to innovate, NOT learning what OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE AND APPRECIATING/IMITATING IT.  Do you follow, boy?  And if you think that appreciating opera implies the highest appreciation for music, you're delusional.  Anyone who think someone has to have ANY experience with music to create music that could cause convulsions in someone is just bringing the world of music down.  By the way, I do believe that Xiu Xiu's music does have an operatic quality, and you should listen to it because you may hear it in interesting ways that I cannot.  Try this Xiu Xiu - Blacks from their album A Promise.  Will cost you 99 cents on iTunes.

[[TBD] Admin/head]

I just wont post here for now untill elliott leaves.

Leave, leave now before the admin bans you!

Ha... I dont listen to much music. Punch me Elliott

[Twisted]

Elliot what bands do you listen to? and sorry if you allready posted them im too lazy to look back through the topic.

[Elliott Smith]

Elliot what bands do you listen to? and sorry if you allready posted them im too lazy to look back through the topic.

I'll post the ones I listen to most often these days.

Animal Collective, Aphex Twin, Bedhead, Built to Spill, Go! Team, Iggy Pop, menomena, Modest Mouse, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Radiohead, Russian Futurists, Silver Jews, Smog, Steve Reich, Tom Waits, Tortoise, Unicorns, Weather Report, Wilderness, Xiu Xiu, Zombies

So I couldn't narrow it down anymore than to give you 22.  I embolded 6 as my definite favorites.  I guess I could have just given you those 6, but...

[*MAFIA* Capsloc]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHHA [COLOR="red"]MODEST MOUSE[/COLOR], hahahahahhaa

[Twisted]

ok ill check those bands out Elliott