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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 27, 2006, 03:51:09 PM
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very cool when you put it into perspective:
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/planets 1.jpg)
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/planets 2.jpg)
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/planets 3.jpg)
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/planets 4.jpg)
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/planets 5.jpg)
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2 things: the links make you sign in to hotmail and sometimes they redirect back here. so basically i dont see it.
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2 things: the links make you sign in to hotmail and sometimes they redirect back here. so basically i dont see it.
shit, lol hold on im fixing it.
EDIT... fixed.
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Wow, I've never even heard of "arcturus" or "antares" until now so I had to read up on it real quick, but yeah thats interesting.
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those pics/info would come in real handy to anyone who is junior high doing a project. are those other "unknown" planets just discovered or what?
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There are planets / stars that we cannot see the are as big as our solar system.
Keep this as a thought... Space is endless as the stars fill the void, God "Jehovah" has counted and named every one of them.
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a very theological response. cool
but let us not forget that in a galaxy far far away.......
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Well this is a little of topic, but did you know that many of the stars you see at night, have already burned out. Its just the light that is taking so long to get here.
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Did you know stars / planets dont burn out :) a bunch of old dumb ass men have no idea what really lies behind the scenes.
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Well this is a little of topic, but did you know that many of the stars you see at night, have already burned out. Its just the light that is taking so long to get here.
Yes.
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they exploded. and it takes millions of years to get here. although the speed of light is SUPER SUPER SUPER SUPER fast, it is not anywhere near for us to see these stars blow up.
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Well lets remember that a lot of this space stuff is only speculations that derive from theories.
And theories mean they have not been proven.
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i think the MIB movie got it right wit there universe theory: we're jus a bunch of marbles
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I feel so... so... small now lol.
But yeah it is crazy if you think about stars that you can see, but aren't even there anymore. But hey the whole universe is crazy ;).
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Some interesting astronomy facts:
The moon slows down the earth's rotation and eventually (after a few million years) the moon will only be visible from one side of the world.
When our sun becomes a red giant (in a few billion years), earth will be consumed by it.
Mass affects time, if you were to place clocks on different parts of the sun and start them at the same time, they would all read different times.
If you were pulled into a black hole, your body would look like a spagetti string and time would be so slow that you would appear to be frozen.
The universe used to be hundreds of degrees hot, now it is almost at absolute zero...which is −459.67 °F
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wow, some very cool things. Oh and Chris,i dont know the exact speed of light, but it is around 187,000 mph.
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wow, some very cool things. Oh and Chris,i dont know the exact speed of light, but it is around 187,000 mph.
LOL ROFLCOPTER WAFFLECAKES!!1 Try about 300,000,000 mps(miles per second).
Just thought I would round it up.
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Some interesting astronomy facts:
The moon slows down the earth's rotation and eventually (after a few million years) the moon will only be visible from one side of the world.
When our sun becomes a red giant (in a few billion years), earth will be consumed by it.
Mass affects time, if you were to place clocks on different parts of the sun and start them at the same time, they would all read different times.
If you were pulled into a black hole, your body would look like a spagetti string and time would be so slow that you would appear to be frozen.
The universe used to be hundreds of degrees hot, now it is almost at absolute zero...which is −459.67 °F
I agree with you on the first 2 Phanty, for as far as the other 3:
I don't think it would influance the mechanical clock so much, but maybe the given time wil appear/feel different on different parts of the sun.
I don't believe in black holes. No one has proved there existance anyway!!
And I don't think the Universe as a whole, is now or was ever totally the same temperture.
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LOL ROFLCOPTER WAFFLECAKES!!1 Try about 300,000,000 mps(miles per second).
Just thought I would round it up.
299 792 458 m / s- meh your right, i know something goes that fast though... i remember it from school.
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I wonder if there's a end in space... There needs to be a end... Oh well, we will never know how large space is. Or if it ever ends or not.
That's my BIG question.
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I wonder if there's a end in space... There needs to be a end... Oh well, we will never know how large space is. Or if it ever ends or not.
That's my BIG question.
I don't think it ends somewhere Carny, why does there has to be a beginning or end to it?? It is there and it is endless ...
The only way there can be an end to it, is if there are more than 3 dimensions or example: In 2 dimesional earth you can go every way you want without ever thinking there is an end to it somewhere. But with the 3rd dimension (hight) added you suddenly see a way out!!
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haha, i saw this video one day that was asking or commenting, maybe the universe is like a very huge and i mean huge globe. i dont know, i guess only god knows.
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haha, i saw this video one day that was asking or commenting, maybe the universe is like a very huge and i mean huge globe. i dont know, i guess only god knows.
That's also a good example of how the Universe could be endless. I always think of the Universe as a globe turned inside out. Imagine, that way it would also be endless.
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What I'm annoyed about is why havnt some other races visited us yet!!!
We have made lots of noise. Our radio waves are just reaching suns and solar systems millions of miles away...
But sadly, if intellegent life was on the other side of the milky way, it would take our radio waves 100,000 years to reach... and then when they did get it, it would take 100,000 years to send a radio wave back... unless of course they have got one of these
(http://www.chronator.ch/spaceship.jpg)
aldebaron= alderan?
betelgues= Beetlejuice :)
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If you've ever taken physics the speed of light is 300,000 Km/second :D. Speed of light is also constant, and yes bonehead stars do eventually die as they expand all the fuel they are burning and material they are reacting runs out, they just dont necisarily explode...
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If you've ever taken physics the speed of light is 300,000 Km/second :D. Speed of light is also constant, and yes bonehead stars do eventually die as they expand all the fuel they are burning and material they are reacting runs out, they just dont necisarily explode...
There are several processes that differ from size of the sun, type of the sun.
- if you traveld the speed of light and held a mirror in front of you, you would not see a reflection.
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Well cookie monster, the post I made (post #15) contain FACTS, they are not debatable...so you're just being ingnorant. I took astronomy classes in college and I still have all my material sitting in my room. To even think that black holes don't exist is beyond stupidity.
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Tomdj']There are several processes that differ from size of the sun, type of the sun.
- if you traveld the speed of light and held a mirror in front of you, you would not see a reflection.
Not true, light reflects at the speed of light and its all constant so your eyes would see the light at the speed of light as well producing an image...Plus the angel of reflection and the normal and all this other shit would be strange if you were traveling at the speed of light. Meh its hard to say since its impossible to go that fast lol.
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Well cookie monster, the post I made (post #15) contain FACTS, they are not debatable...so you're just being ingnorant. I took astronomy classes in college and I still have all my material sitting in my room. To even think that black holes don't exist is beyond stupidity.
Yeah- well i'm 13 and watch the odd documentry or two.
So whats your guys opinions of ufo's here?
Govermant?
Aliens?
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Well when anyone actually travels outside our solar system and begins to shed some light on the issue I may start to believe all these nonscense ideals. No one can prove a star blew up a gazillion miles away 1,000 years ago and we are just seeing the light that use to be there. Umm hard to grasp that one. So how about the idea that when you travel at the speed of light time stops. Hmm that one seems kinda hard to prove also. Anyway cool pics bj. Dont get me wrong I think astrology is cool but its hard to prove. And the idea that if the earth were 1/4 mile closer to the sun or further away and life as we know it wouldn't exhist makes for good argument for a creator. But I think most astrologers don't believe in a higher power. Phantom post 15 contains facts that are undebatable im not so sure about that one. Everything is debateable from a certian point of view. :)
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Well lets remember that a lot of this space stuff is only speculations that derive from theories.
And theories mean they have not been proven.
Everything that deals with science is a theory, just like saying that the earth has a mantle and a core, theres nothing to prove that except that volcanos erupt magma.
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believe in it or not lightning, it's just science :) And they are really not debatable...yo u can't debate facts, that's why they are called facts. There is proof for every single one of these facts that I have stated but people don't want to take the time to learn about their universe so they just say "fuck it."
And to kraut, not everything is a theory...but yes there are many theories, such as the big bang theory. A scientific fact would be that everything is made of atoms.
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Its weird to think that there might be other life somewhere else, that is thinking and doing the exact same thing as us.
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Science is all a big theory.. Without theorys man cant move on to find out weither they are true or false. One theory ive found recently was that dogs are more closely related to man then apes were. And the darwin theory has been rejected from the views of most scientists just so ou know :)
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(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/aliens-i-want-to-believe-x-files-400014555.jpg)
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Who has heard of the string theory? if you have what do you think.
And phantom remember that these facts are coming from man. people who once thought the earth was flat and that it was held by animals. so lets remember that these facts can very well be false just because we think we have proven something we are man and are not perfedt. mistakes are always made.
check link
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/scale.html
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There was a civilization around 2000 BC that had written accounts of lifeforms coming from the sky and making the them mine gold so that their planets atmosphere wouldnt disappear. But then when these visiters couldnt get enough work out of them, they desided to do what is called today as gene mutations and created the first neanderthal :)
Edit "Somerians was the civilization, they were wiped out by the armanians when they first came to power"
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Well cookie monster, the post I made (post #15) contain FACTS, they are not debatable...so you're just being ingnorant. I took astronomy classes in college and I still have all my material sitting in my room. To even think that black holes don't exist is beyond stupidity.
So it says in your school books they are FACTS. I don't care. You can be a highly educated sientist and I still wouldn't take your word for it, no hard feelings :)
but yes there are many theories, such as the big bang theory.
Don't believe in that one either haha
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yeah the big bang theory is just too out there. that's one i dont believe.
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Even Stephen Hawking admits the Big Bang doesn't work. Everything comes back to a singularity, so the universe isn't timeless like they think.
You have to use imaginary numbers to smooth things out.
Too bad those aren't real.
For more info, check out "A Brief History of Time" by Professor Stephen Hawking.
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The X-files tells the truth!!!
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For more info, check out "A Brief History of Time" by Professor Stephen Hawking.
I don't need to read a whole book to tel me the "big bang theory" is bull. It's very simple, they say the Universe was created by a big bang, like when a star implodes (not explodes) and creates a new solar system in the process. But to that I say, WHAT THE FUCK did exacly blew up if there wasn't anything in the first place??
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I don't need to read a whole book to tel me the "big bang theory" is bull. It's very simple, they say the Universe was created by a big bang, like when a star implodes (not explodes) and creates a new solar system in the process. But to that I say, WHAT THE FUCK did exacly blew up if there wasn't anything in the first place??
one of my professors my freshman year of college help me out with this whole big bang theory... he said: "There are some who believe in this whole 'Big Bang' theory, and I ask them why? After all the chance of this even happening are as great as to if i turned on this fan right here and now, and it were to blow all the paper letters up on the wall with the staples sticking in them." (there was some paper letters and staples on the table).
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The X-files tells the truth!!!
stop spamming.
but yeah i mean, just the fact of something blowing up and creating something, seems too complicated for just science to do. oh and something interesting too if the earth was to be tilted a bit more weather would be sooooooooooo much different also.
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go on youtube and type in UFO... http://www.youtube.com most of its fake but their are documentries on what discovery and even appolo 11 found.
In one case appolo 11 had to talk completly in code to mask that they saw 2 shuttles.
Niel armstrong himself said their where aliens there "warning" them off
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omg, there are no other life forms out there, it's all just entertainment.
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WHAT THE FUCK did exacly blew up if there wasn't anything in the first place??
Well let's see what blew up. The big bang is about a single point of highly condensed mass that holds all matter that makes up the universe today. This point of singularity becomes so compact and hot that when it reaches a certain intensity it blows up and all the matter within it is spread out, creating our universe. Which follows along with the "BIG CRUNCH" theory, which is that some day the universe will start contracting back into a single grain of matter and the big bang will start all over again.
Some FACTS that support this theory are:
Well I already stated that the universe was once hot (from the big bang) and now it's cold.
The universe is actually expanding (FACT) and motion is created by force (from the big bang).
I'm not saying I believe in this theory or not, but you are saying you DON'T believe in it and you don't even know anything about the theory. But then again, you don't know anything so you can go along living by just saying "fuck it."
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Well let's see what blew up. The big bang is about a single point of highly condensed mass that holds all matter that makes up the universe today. This point of singularity becomes so compact and hot that when it reaches a certain intensity it blows up and all the matter within it is spread out, creating our universe. Which follows along with the "BIG CRUNCH" theory, which is that some day the universe will start contracting back into a single grain of matter and the big bang will start all over again.
I'm aware of all this Phantom. I just think it's a load off bullshit. It's just thought up by people trying to find an explenation for something we cannot comprehend. And the worsed part of it is when they try to pass it off as a FACT. That way you're not open to any other ideas and will maybe never find out what really happened, if something happened at all that is.
Some FACTS that support this theory are:
Well I already stated that the universe was once hot (from the big bang) and now it's cold.
The universe is actually expanding (FACT) and motion is created by force (from the big bang).
Maybe parts of the Universe where once hotter and some parts colder, doesn't proof it has anything to do with the "big bang theory". And maybe there is some kind of motion going on in the Universe, again, it does not proof the Universe is expanding or even if it has to do with the big bang!! You see Phantom, the "FACTS" you posted are not infact "FACTS" at all.
A scientific fact would be that everything is made of atoms.
Same goes here, this is not a "FACT", because you have molecules witch are made of atoms witch in there turn are made of protons, neutrons and electrons (witch cirkel around the induvidual atom of a molecule, kinda like a small Universe). And i bet these in turn are made up of even smaller particals, and so on ...
I'm not trying to outsmart you here Phantom, but you should realise that not everything you have chosen to believe in is indead the truth.
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Yes, the big bang is a theory so you can deny that.
You are taking the facts that I have stated and making it seem that they prove that the big bang is "a fact" in itself. When in actuality, all theories must have some supporting facts...that is what I am trying to explain. The universe expanding and once being hot are facts, they support a THEORY which is not a fact. You should look up definition of a theory.
You said that everything is NOT made of atoms? You said it is made of protons, electrons and neutrons...wha t do you think an atom is? It is a proton, electron and neutron! THAT IS AN ATOM! And just cuz you "bet" that atoms might be made of smaller things does not make it a fact. It has not been proven. Therefore EVERYTHING IS MADE OF ATOMS.
Now you stated, "I am aware of all of this (about the big bang theory)" Yet you ask questions like "WHAT THE FUCK did exacly blew up if there wasn't anything in the first place" meaning you obvioulsy didn't know about singularity described in the theory, cuz anyone that knows the details of the big bang theory knows exactly what blew up.
I haven't mentioned anything I believe btw...I have only stated proven facts. And if you want to question a fact then you have to prove it wrong.
I know you're not trying to outsmart me cuz that will never happen (another fact) haha jk.
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The big bang theory is just a big blah.
The way the earth is made is to precise everything is so perfect to have been created by fortuitousness or haphazardness. Take the way the earth is able to have a perfect and balance ecosphere. Why is everything so perfect for our needs to survive, just to hard to believe to be just out of nothing.
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You said that everything is NOT made of atoms? You said it is made of protons, electrons and neutrons...wha t do you think an atom is? It is a proton, electron and neutron! THAT IS AN ATOM! And just cuz you "bet" that atoms might be made of smaller things does not make it a fact. It has not been proven. Therefore EVERYTHING IS MADE OF ATOMS.
I never said that this was infact a "FACT". I was just explaning that your statement that everything is made of atoms is not a "FACT" because you do not know this for sure, you only think that!!
Now you stated, "I am aware of all of this (about the big bang theory)" Yet you ask questions like "WHAT THE FUCK did exacly blew up if there wasn't anything in the first place" meaning you obvioulsy didn't know about singularity described in the theory, cuz anyone that knows the details of the big bang theory knows exactly what blew up.
It does not at all mean that I didn't know, it means that I think it is a load of bullshit (as I said earlier). The tiny partical you talk about is just something that was thought up to counter my kind of critisism as they where developing the theory, this way it does make more sence, but it still is about something expanding into a space that wasn't there before and I am not buying it.
I haven't mentioned anything I believe btw...I have only stated proven facts. And if you want to question a fact then you have to prove it wrong.
No you are wrong, you are the one that is stating facts, I am not!! So therefore you have to have proof and I haven't seen any!! And again you say the Universe is expanding and it was hotter before, you have absolutely no proof of this. We cannot see the outer bounderies of the Universe, and we sure aren't able to messure them. As for the temperture thing, anything is possible, but you still don't have proof of it, so they are not infact "FACTS"
I'm not trying to start something here, I just like to have a mind of my own. Again, I am not saying your statements are faulse, I just saying they MIGHT be.
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The way the earth is made is to precise everything is so perfect to have been created by fortuitousness or haphazardness. Take the way the earth is able to have a perfect and balance ecosphere. Why is everything so perfect for our needs to survive, just to hard to believe to be just out of nothing.
This would be a very good reason why there isn't a planet like ours nearby!! But that doesn't nesseserely (or something like that) mean there aren't any other planets that can support live as we know it, or maybe that earth was created by God or aliens!!
And I don't think everything is so perfect for us to survive, we just adabted to our given infirement in a very good way!! It seems logical to me.
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So you're saying everything is not made of atoms? What is everything made of then? It is a FACT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A FACT IS LOOK UP THE DEFINITION. IT IS NOT AN OPINION YOU DUMB FUCK.
Well put it this way...I go to college, these facts that I am presenting have been proven by scientists and astronomers using various measurements, like the doppler effect for example. I didn't make up any of this shit...so if you say it's just what I think, you are wrong. People learn shit from other people, and I learned this stuff from my college professor who majored in this kind of stuff and does astronomy for a living. Not to mention all the books on astronomy that state what I have said, these books have been written by people who learn about the universe for a living. Then these books are taught in every classroom throughout america. Now let's not go into the "ZOMG the books and all scientists LIE!" theory because I'm sure that's what you were thinking right now.
So you want proof of what I have stated? Well I myself cannot make the necessary measurements to prove what I have said because I don't remember half of the procedures, nor do I have half the required instruments. But here are some documents that might help.
for atoms:
http://education.jlab.org/atomtour/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom
http://science.howstuffworks.com/atom1.htm
do I even need to go on? just google it...
Universe expansion:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#CC
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101expand.html
there you go :) how you like dem apples? Now where is your proof that these are wrong?
all you have to do is read and you can be smart too :)
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So you're saying everything is not made of atoms? What is everything made of then? It is a FACT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A FACT IS LOOK UP THE DEFINITION. IT IS NOT AN OPINION YOU DUMB FUCK.
There is no point in going on about this Phantom. You obvious take the scientific "proof" that you learn either at school or get from scientists (witch aren't really facts btw) for a fact and I don't. I don't care if a hundred wise and educated scientists think up something. As long as they don't have any proof (hard evidence) I am not buying it!!
I have a mind of my own, unlike you!!
Just for the record: The "facts" that you presented are infact not at all proven by scientists. I never said you made this stuff up. I am not, nore will I ever be, thinking of your "all scientists LIE theory". And in the links you placed, there is no real proof what so ever to be found (only scientific "proof"), and therefore they are not facts!! Scientific "proof" can never be a fact, or it wouln't be science, capishe??
all you have to do is read and you can be smart too
Are you kidding, I have an IQ of 139!!
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Are you kidding, I have an IQ of 139!!
compared to my 6,000 that looks kind of small.
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139? in netherlands probably but over here in america your IQ is 2. We don't teach our kids how to cook dutch baked goods all day in school.
The whole point of this conversation is to get into your head that there is proof, that is why they are facts. Because they have been proven! Take a fucking class about astronomy and then you will know what you are talking about and they will show you how to prove what astronomers have discovered already. I did my part, I took my classes and read my books...you haven't done shit, you just look up in the sky and say "I DON'T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE MOMMA TOLD ME IT WASN'T TRUE!"
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So to get everyones mind of this fighting subject i will start another one... someone who believes in evolution, explain to me why if we were once monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
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Look I can end all this bullshit. God made everything, no big bang, no fish turned into us. Or a monkey...
If you really stop and think, look at how complex we are. How everything is just right to sustain life.
An example. Look at water, what is it made of? "oh well that is easy h20" well my friend look deeper, deeper, deeper. Water contains elements we cant even fathom. How do we live? "oh easy our organs let us live" explain how all the chemicals in the body are perfect, why we are missing the 24th chromosome.
What makes logic? is it the brain or the chemicals...
When you people really stop and think you cannot explain shit we dont even have 0.000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 1% of gods knowledge yet we know what makes it all tick.
Wake up people smell the air and wonder why its so perfect.
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139? in netherlands probably but over here in america your IQ is 2. We don't teach our kids how to cook dutch baked goods all day in school.
The whole point of this conversation is to get into your head that there is proof, that is why they are facts. Because they have been proven! Take a fucking class about astronomy and then you will know what you are talking about and they will show you how to prove what astronomers have discovered already. I did my part, I took my classes and read my books...you haven't done shit, you just look up in the sky and say "I DON'T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE MOMMA TOLD ME IT WASN'T TRUE!"
I know you don't want to accept it Phantom, but you are wrong and I am right, simple as that. Bringing up irrelevant stuff and closing the thread isn't going to get you out of this one!!
You say that I need to take a class. If you would have paid attention in your class, you would know that in science, when you have scientific "proof" of something, you have a solid and convincing theory about something. But that may NEVER be mistaken for a FACT, because it is science. It is rule nr. 1 when you are dealing with science stuff. This means that the scientific proof you came up with are not and will NEVER be FACTS, got that?? If you don't believe me, look it up, google for science and proof, do whatever and just take your losses!!
I know you're not trying to outsmart me cuz that will never happen (another fact) haha jk
Guess I did outsmart you here boy, so that probably wasn't a fact either ehy hahaha ... Pwned. I am done here.
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Look I can end all this bullshit. God made everything, no big bang, no fish turned into us. Or a monkey...
If you really stop and think, look at how complex we are. How everything is just right to sustain life.
An example. Look at water, what is it made of? "oh well that is easy h20" well my friend look deeper, deeper, deeper. Water contains elements we cant even fathom. How do we live? "oh easy our organs let us live" explain how all the chemicals in the body are perfect, why we are missing the 24th chromosome.
What makes logic? is it the brain or the chemicals...
When you people really stop and think you cannot explain shit we dont even have 0.000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 1% of gods knowledge yet we know what makes it all tick.
Wake up people smell the air and wonder why its so perfect.
well said bone, well said indeed. +rep
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Listen koekie, I told you a thousand times. All the facts I stated ARE NOT THEORIES! The facts I stated are on post #15. You think that I am explaining theories, but I am only trying to state that the facts from post #15 are actually facts. I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE THEORIES ARE REAL! The only theory I explained was THE BIG BANG THEORY! And yes, that is make believe, or it possibly could be true. You obviously can't understand a damn word I'm saying cuz you're dutch.
For the last time, take a class...not a cooking one either. For someone that doesn't know that things are made up of atoms, you should start off with elementary science and work your way up to astronomy.
And who the fuck put your posting rights back...they are temporarily taken away for a reason and this thread nor the tagger was not part of it.
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I restored his rights. Make a note on the user for what reason so we will know. In admin cp on the user in question in the options panel you can click user notes.
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Look I can end all this bullshit. God made everything, no big bang, no fish turned into us. Or a monkey...
If you really stop and think, look at how complex we are. How everything is just right to sustain life.
An example. Look at water, what is it made of? "oh well that is easy h20" well my friend look deeper, deeper, deeper. Water contains elements we cant even fathom. How do we live? "oh easy our organs let us live" explain how all the chemicals in the body are perfect, why we are missing the 24th chromosome.
What makes logic? is it the brain or the chemicals...
When you people really stop and think you cannot explain shit we dont even have 0.000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 1% of gods knowledge yet we know what makes it all tick.
Wake up people smell the air and wonder why its so perfect.
awesome. and yeah, that's what i was getting to.
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Look I can end all this bullshit. God made everything, no big bang, no fish turned into us. Or a monkey...
If you really stop and think, look at how complex we are. How everything is just right to sustain life.
An example. Look at water, what is it made of? "oh well that is easy h20" well my friend look deeper, deeper, deeper. Water contains elements we cant even fathom. How do we live? "oh easy our organs let us live" explain how all the chemicals in the body are perfect, why we are missing the 24th chromosome.
What makes logic? is it the brain or the chemicals...
When you people really stop and think you cannot explain shit we dont even have 0.000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 00000000000000 1% of gods knowledge yet we know what makes it all tick.
Wake up people smell the air and wonder why its so perfect.
i just can't accept either of these explainations. A big explosion that came from no where doesn't satisfy me, and saying our entire galaxy was created in 7 days by someone just doesn't seem plausible either. I guess it will just forever be a mystery.
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and saying our entire galaxy was created in 7 days by someone just doesn't seem plausible either. I guess it will just forever be a mystery.
well he is almighty.
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You will know soon. :)
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So to get everyones mind of this fighting subject i will start another one... someone who believes in evolution, explain to me why if we were once monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Well I couldn't figure that one out for a long time myself. But the idea is, that ones there was this ape like creature (the first of his kind) who was very succesfull and therefor rapidly grew in numbers and spread all over the world. And in due time different groups of this ape like creature evolved differently because they were living in different parts of the world, and hade to adiust to that inviroment. And one of these groups eventually evolved into us humans. That's about it.
Listen koekie, I told you a thousand times. All the facts I stated ARE NOT THEORIES! The facts I stated are on post #15. You think that I am explaining theories, but I am only trying to state that the facts from post #15 are actually facts.
No they are not FACTS, they are THEORIES. A few examples of theories and facts are:
Theory: There maybe huge black holes in our Universe.
Fact: You have a huge black hole in your underpants.
Theory: You might be sucking my dick one day.
Fact: You are a faggot ... hahaha
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LOL see what happens when you lift the posting rights of an unnurtured retard?
Back to pink you go :) And whoever is lifting it, don't.
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Theory: You might be sucking my dick one day.
Fact: You are a faggot ... hahaha
damn if i said that to a mafia im sure id be banned
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Dont fuck with My brother Phantom. Its that simple motherfuckers.
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kookie, dont start shit, first of all its stupid cause he has admin and you dont... second its childish.
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Well I think Bone is very correct. The reason that the universe can't be explained is because it was created by someone that created you. MY OPINION. It all works too PERFECT. Phantom to you I think you are stating what someone else has called Fact. Just because someone does something all day doesn't mean they are right it just means they can make money doing it. The Liberals in SF can attest to that. Its kinda like carbon dating is presented to us as fact but in reality it is a hoax and just another liberal explaniation to try and prove that there is no GOD. In my short lifetime I have seen one thing. Liberals will make up, publish, propigate and sue to push the ideals that there is no GOD. So when you tell me someone measured something in space or tell me how hot the sun is I look at the source of the information and give it the merrit it deserves. Its kinda like UC Berkeley and UC San Francisco I use those because I know them. They are God haters and extremely Liberal. they will do all they can to prove God doesn't exhist no mather the theory or stated or published what they believe is fact. I get what you are saying Phantom and Im sure it was taught to you in school. I give you props for gong to school. Icould never afford it when I was younger so I had to wait until I had the money to go later. Just pass the test and take it all with a grain of salt and apply it later when you get out there and really sart to learn how the world goes round. My IQ is only 126 so I can''t keep up with Kookie. Love ya all....
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I agree with lightning. too perfect.
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I agree with lightning. too perfect.
What are you saying here Gio?? And Lightning, you talk about God haters and that they are trying to prove that their is no God, but what proof do you have that they are wrong and that there really is a God??
damn if i said that to a mafia im sure id be banned
Yes you would be banned haha :D
(http://www.mafiafreeservices.com/ih/Koekie crazy bomber sig.jpg)
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what gio was saying is that there is a God. how do we know, it's called scriptures found, very very old scriptures. they were then translated and voila you have the bible and the things that happened. maybe u should read it one day. i mean it is possible for an almighty god, to create the earth in 7 days, remember 1 day for god is 1000 years, and 1000 years 1 day.
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What are you saying here Gio?? And Lightning, you talk about God haters and that they are trying to prove that their is no God, but what proof do you have that they are wrong and that there really is a God??[/IMG]
I think Gio was saying was that he agrees with Lightning when he said that the way the world/universe works, how everything interacts, is just too perfect to be "random," and that it must have a creator. Proof that there really is a God can be seen two ways, but they probably are not the ways that you are looking for:
1 - The Bible talks about the coming of a Savior (Jesus Christ) in the Old Testament, and it happened. Jesus' life, the things he did and the things he said, is proof that God exists. He was the son of God. You can read about the miracles he performed, his teachings, ect. ect. in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in the New Testament of the Bible.
2 - Proof that there really is a God can be seen in peoples' lives. I have seen Jesus radically change lives, including my own. Yeah you're the same person with the same features, both physically and mentally, but spiritually you are alive and completely changed. Things that were important to you, things that you did or said, lose focus, and your world is shifted to revolving around Jesus and living to glorify God, and not yourself. I've witnessed people before and after they surrendered their lives to Jesus, and although it takes time, He does change lives. To me, that's proof enough, but maybe you haven't seen it done or heard it from anyone so you don't really know.
To avoid another 9 page essay writing contest with Gwar about scriptures and beliefs and who's right and who's wrong and all that, I'll just end here even though I could go on even longer. If you want to know more about what I'm talking about Koekie, or anyone else for that matter, you can PM me here in the forum and catch me on ventrilo. Peace.
what gio was saying is that there is a God. how do we know, it's called scriptures found, very very old scriptures. they were then translated and voila you have the bible and the things that happened. maybe u should read it one day. i mean it is possible for an almighty god, to create the earth in 7 days, remember 1 day for god is 1000 years, and 1000 years 1 day.
Uh, that's not entirely correct, but you are definitely on the right track my friend.
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Uh, that's not entirely correct, but you are definitely on the right track my friend.
what is it that is not correct.
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I think Gio was saying was that he agrees with Lightning when he said that the way the world/universe works, how everything interacts, is just too perfect to be "random," and that it must have a creator. Proof that there really is a God can be seen two ways, but they probably are not the ways that you are looking for:
I do not agree with you guys here, I don't see the World/Universe as too perfect. It only seems that way because it is "perfect" for us, but this seems logical to me, because our existance lies in this World/Universe, so it is logical that we fit in this part of the Universe nicely because we are part of it. Probably some other spiecies (life form) are not able to survive in our conditions but have a "perfect" homeplanet/World for them to live on, in a different part of the Universe.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a God hater, I was raised with the bible, don't remember halve of it anymore but okay, I do know what it is about. It is just that somewhere along the line I got interested for other explenaitions aswell. I now see the bible as tales about morals and valeus or "livelessons" and pretty good ones at that. But I don't see them as real live stories anymore.
The spiritual explenaition you give me Beetle I believe. But does that really have to do with God and Jesus, or with the way our minds work. I mean I believe you can do anything if you set your mind to it. And what these people experience is really incredible, but I believe you can also get these kind of results without a God to believe in, aslong as you do BELIEVE in something enough.
I agree, lets not make this a long debate about whos right, besides there are no rights and wrongs when it comes to this kinda stuff I think. I do however like to share thoughts on this subject. One guestion I have is: If the Earth was created by a God, where did this God then come from, and could it be that he is a highly evolved Alien spiecies, and that there are more of his kind??
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Well for one this debate has gone on for centuries. All I can tell you is I have seen people that have been addicted to drugs stop instantly. I saw a man that had an infection in his leg. The doctors told him it would have to be amputated. He came home was prayed for and i watched the infection pour out of his leg. There is still a hole there where it came out. I am not trying to change the focus of this discussion but I have seen miracles of GOD koekie that you call tales.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a God hater, I was raised with the bible, don't remember halve of it anymore but okay, I do know what it is about. It is just that somewhere along the line I got interested for other explenaitions aswell. I now see the bible as tales about morals and valeus or "livelessons" and pretty good ones at that. But I don't see them as real live stories anymore.
Maybe these things really did happen but society has watered them down so much and told you that its not possible that now you believe it. All I can do is hope one day you get to experience a miracle my friend. Then you will have a new perspective. I had my miracle 14 years ago. I will never be the same! I am sure beetle can tell you when his was also. My perspective is GOD based not WORLD based. I am not scared to say I believe the universe came from GOD. If you want to tell me different I will listen to what you have to say but I really do know the truth. And all the scolars in the world can't change my mind because I have experienced the truth. :)
Peace....Way to go Beetle that was some good stuff.
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see the reason why miracles, i mean the big ones, like moses opening up the red sea, or jesus resurrecting his friend, things like that don't happen anymore because it just wouldnt go with society, people would freak out if they saw something like that, back in the biblical days, back then cities fought to prove who had the real god.
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Maybe these things really did happen but society has watered them down so much and told you that its not possible that now you believe it. All I can do is hope one day you get to experience a miracle my friend.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these things couldn't have happened, they could very well have taken place. I just think that maybe it doesn't nesseserely have to do with believing in God, as just in believing in something period. The mind is a powerfull thing you know. And back in the days people lived instinctively and where much more spiritual and in touch with themselves then we are now. And the believe in a God was much more "hardcore" than it is now. That way they were probably capable of miracles that size. I just think that the believe in a God is just one of many ways you could make unbelieveable things happen. I think it is just about setting your mind to it, and believing and wanting it so much that indead it really happends. Anyway that is the way I feel.
If I hade to explaine God, I would say that it is the energie in everything and in all of us, the way we can interact with eachother, the chemical reactions in this energie wich make us feel alive. This energie we can use to make things happen, that is what I would call God. The idea of it being a person just doesn't do it for me, sorry. I wish I hade experienced something like the miracles you talked about, then I could maybe understand it better than I do now.
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I dont remember how to quote.
Quote Phantom :) "If you were pulled into a black hole, your body would look like a spagetti string and time would be so slow that you would appear to be frozen."
Thats not exactly true, a few astronomists came to a "theory", And one of your previous statements said that the big bang was the only theory.
Theres also phenomenons just like black holes, these holes are called "white holes", these holes are just a as theory as black holes are. Also einsteins theory of relativity gave rise to the thoery of the "big bang."
White holes have been talked about before, mostly as mathematical curiosities. There is no evidence these "anti-black holes" exist, saying that black holes exist is saying that the "big bang theory" happened. The big bang has been rejected just like darwins theory that we evolved from primapes. Even though scientists think that the universe was created around 12 billion years ago, doesnt mean that it will change around 2 decades from now.
Also i made a A in my astronomy class last year :) Im looking forward to arguing about this topic.
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what gio was saying is that there is a God. how do we know, it's called scriptures found, very very old scriptures. they were then translated and voila you have the bible and the things that happened. maybe u should read it one day. i mean it is possible for an almighty god, to create the earth in 7 days, remember 1 day for god is 1000 years, and 1000 years 1 day.
Hmm, you wouldn't happen to remember why all these gods were created in the first place would you? The gods/goddesses, were all created so that the peasants/slaves wouldn't revolt against their lords. If a lord told his people that Ares wanted them to take up arms against an enemy they would be willing to sacrifice their lives so that their god would be appeased. The same theory goes for the biblical times, Wasn't the Greeks wiped out by the romans? Why didnt all of their gods help them? Why did the romans adopt their gods? Why did all the other races in that time period have different opinions of what the true god(s) really were? Why did the hebrews have just one god, when the others had many? Also, if God is the god, then why did the eastern civilizations worship their families of old? When people die and they have their heart jumped, why dont they have a vision of gates? IF you can answer all of those questions, then their is a god.
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see the reason why miracles, i mean the big ones, like moses opening up the red sea, or jesus resurrecting his friend, things like that don't happen anymore because it just wouldnt go with society, people would freak out if they saw something like that, back in the biblical days, back then cities fought to prove who had the real god.
SO your saying that the mongols controlled a good portion of Eur-Asia because they disagreed on their beliefs? Nope, they attacked the ottomans, etc because of trade disagreements and having their emissaries slaughtered.
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Wow Kraut, that's a triple post without accually spamming, nicely done haha ;) Also Kraut, you say the Evolution theory has been rejected, how so??
btw nobody has answered my question jet, somebody who believes in the existance of a God, explaine to me:
If the Earth/Universe was created by a God, where did this God then come from, and could it be that he is a highly evolved Alien spiecies, and that there are more of his kind, and also why not??
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Refering to post #83: Leave me out of this kraut.
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Hmm, you wouldn't happen to remember why all these gods were created in the first place would you? The gods/goddesses, were all created so that the peasants/slaves wouldn't revolt against their lords. If a lord told his people that Ares wanted them to take up arms against an enemy they would be willing to sacrifice their lives so that their god would be appeased. The same theory goes for the biblical times, Wasn't the Greeks wiped out by the romans? Why didnt all of their gods help them? Why did the romans adopt their gods? Why did all the other races in that time period have different opinions of what the true god(s) really were? Why did the hebrews have just one god, when the others had many? Also, if God is the god, then why did the eastern civilizations worship their families of old? When people die and they have their heart jumped, why dont they have a vision of gates? IF you can answer all of those questions, then their is a god.
1st Question...Wer en't the Greeks wiped out by the romans? Yes.
2nd........Why didn't their gods help them? Their "gods" did not help them because they were not real. Unlike the former chosen "town" of god which was Israel. Take for instance David, did he not defeat Goliath, and David had his faith on Jehova.
3rd........Why did the romans adopt their gods? the romans were into space a lot and (making this explanation real short) they adopted their gods from their studies.
4th........Why did all the other races in that time have diff. opinions of what true gods were? It's like now, an iraqui might tell you ala is the real god, and then a cristian says no he is not. it's just what people believe. if you do research on this and then try something, you will find the truth. you yourself will realize who the real god is. some people are just ignorant.
5th.......Why did hebrews have one god when others had many? good question, see there is only 1 god. how do we know, well he had a son name Jesus who spoked and taught people about him. there were prophets that had visions that god gave them, dreams that god made them dream and also talking to angels. i mean that's what the hebrews saw. on the other hand, those "other" cultures believed in their own stuff. but they never wrote anything like the bible to teach about how their gods made miracles and how their gods defended them, many times their so called "gods" that didnt exist let them down, yet they still believed in them.
6th i don't get what you wrote on there.
7th........... When people die and have their heart jumped why dont they have a vision of gates? well normal people don't go to heaven when they die, tell me what are normal people going to do in heaven. yeah nothing. what the bible says that happens when you die is that your soul is asleep. there is a text on the bible i forgot which one exactly but it says that living people have conscious of everything, but those that are dead are conscious of nothing. meaning the soul is there but it doesnt do anything, does not go to heaven, does not go haunting people or anything. who goes to heaven, well 144,000 thousand chosen ones go to heaven, they are selected by god to reign with jesus for the period of 1000 years. those 1000 years start when Armageddon comes. when armageddon comes those that have passed away will be resurrected to be judged. during those 1000 years that jesus will reign over us, we will be on our way of being "perfect" once those 1000 years end, satan will be let loose for the last time and that will be the final challenge for those living on earth, those who pass will be given the gift of eternal life. those that mess up during that challenge will be destroyed for ever. the bible is pretty interesting, you should give it a try once in a while. anything that doesnt sound right, u can correct, i'm kinda tired so yeah. gio can correct anything that's wrong in here, he knows more than me.
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SO your saying that the mongols controlled a good portion of Eur-Asia because they disagreed on their beliefs? Nope, they attacked the ottomans, etc because of trade disagreements and having their emissaries slaughtered.
about this one, i didn't mean every battle was for that reason.
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Look you stupid and idiots. There is a god. If you think there is no god, then you are an idiot. and think about it.
If we as people had nothing to hope for like a paradise and peace. you tell me what man has to offer. does man offer me evelasting life and peace. I dont think so.
And fyi= "Allah" means God. not the name of god, just god.
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IF you can answer all of those questions, then their is a god.
It takes a long time to really study scripture and know everything one is talking about or reading about. Its not as simple as "answer these questions" and God exists. Some things in the Bible are meant literally and some are figuratively. We cannot even comprehend everything God does and means since he is the omni-everything. And even after all that, you can do all the reading and studying and "arguing" you want to - but what it all comes down to is quite simple actually. Either you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, he lived a perfect life we should have lived and died for our sins, and you truly know, understand, and believe that, thus surrendering your life to him........or you don't. Its called faith.
btw nobody has answered my question jet, somebody who believes in the existance of a God, explaine to me:
If the Earth/Universe was created by a God, where did this God then come from, and could it be that he is a highly evolved Alien spiecies, and that there are more of his kind, and also why not??
That is a great question, one I use to ask and still do occasionally. The best answer I can come up with is that God is eternal - meaning he has no beginning and end. He has just always existed, so in a sense he came from "nowhere" because he has always been. If you think about it though, the question cannot even be applied to God in the first place because eternity is a term that we use to define something that has no beginning/end. But since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning (get it?), therefore, He is outside of time, and outside of eternity. Its weird.
To answer your "highly evolved Alien species" quesion, I'm assuming that these aliens you speak of live in the universe, and not in heaven with God, no matter how much they are "more of his kind." You see, God created the universe. But before He did that, He was just existing, and time had no meaning, no relation to Him. So, time began when God created the universe.
what is it that is not correct.
Well, the thing about 1 day equal to 1,000 days. If you're referring to the quote in 2nd Peter Chapter 3 verse 8, he says "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." - The key word in there is the word "like." What I'm pretty sure he is saying is that our lives are just like a blink of an eye to God, since He lives in eternity. They are just a speck, a dot, on an infinite timeline.
My Bible has these notes about that verse: "God does now view time as humans do. He stands above time, with the result that when time is seen in the light of eternity, an age appears no longer than one short day, and a day seems no shorter than a long age. Since time is purely relative with God, he waits patiently while human beings stew with impatience."
Check out this thread I found in another forum, its sort of related to our topic: http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Board=askastronomer&Number=428139
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1st Question...Wer en't the Greeks wiped out by the romans? Yes.
4th........Why did all the other races in that time have diff. opinions of what true gods were? It's like now, an iraqui might tell you ala is the real god, and then a cristian says no he is not. it's just what people believe. if you do research on this and then try something, you will find the truth. you yourself will realize who the real god is. some people are just ignorant.
5th.......Why did hebrews have one god when others had many? good question, see there is only 1 god. how do we know, well he had a son name Jesus who spoked and taught people about him. there were prophets that had visions that god gave them, dreams that god made them dream and also talking to angels. i mean that's what the hebrews saw. on the other hand, those "other" cultures believed in their own stuff. but they never wrote anything like the bible to teach about how their gods made miracles and how their gods defended them, many times their so called "gods" that didnt exist let them down, yet they still believed in them.
First, their are different views for every religion, its just like having a baptist hate the catholics because of their different views. I could be a hebrew and i can think that jesus was a phoney and that the son of god hasnt came yet, or I could be a muslim and think the same thing, in the end, anyone can or cannot be right, there were religions WAY before the Greek era, and Way before the persians conqured the middle east. AND finally their are some cities before the persians time period that had written down stories of peoples from other far away that needed gold so that their civilization wouldnt dissappear. In the end the older civilizations can spread more light on this topic then the hebrews and the other have.
And you said that Jesus was a Prophet? Well, ever heard of something called a Oracle, that is the exact samething. Oracles are the gods voices to the people.
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There is a god. If you think there is no god, then you are an idiot. and think about it.
well thats one way to preach. lol
Oh and Kookie, we cant really answer how God came into existance, or at least was at the very start of all things. If we knew that then everyone would believe in God and there would be no questions to be asked. God created man in his image and he made heaven a place where his true followers would go. Therefore there has to be a hell so that the non believers would have a place to go. I have wondered the same thing "where did God come from?" And i guess that is just one thing i will have to ask him when i meet him. :)
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sorry to barge in but I thought this was kind of a neat-O concept.
What if death and being unborn are the same? I mean...what do you remember before you were born? Nothing obviously, you were technically non existent, then you were born and you exist. Then you die...so do you just go back into being non existent again? It arises quite a few other questions but I just wanted to type this up to give everyone some ideas.
Anyways don't want this turning into a new chapter on the thread, just something to think about.
EDIT: replying to post below...NO, reincarnation is when you are born again.
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SO, thats techically reincarnation.
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sorry to barge in but I thought this was kind of a neat-O concept.
What if death and being unborn are the same? I mean...what do you remember before you were born? Nothing obviously, you were technically non existent, then you were born and you exist. Then you die...so do you just go back into being non existent again? It arises quite a few other questions but I just wanted to type this up to give everyone some ideas.
It is unbelieveable but I agree with you Phanty. The way I see it, is that we are all part of this world and it's energie. The way we live our life influance our induvidual energie in a good or bad way, depending on how we live. Then when we die, this induvidual energie becomes again part of the Global/Unversal energie, witch changes a fraction because of that. Than when someone is born, that someone is born with a part of this Global/Universal energie etc ... so, that kinda is like reincarnation.
To answer your "highly evolved Alien species" quesion, I'm assuming that these aliens you speak of live in the universe, and not in heaven with God, no matter how much they are "more of his kind." You see, God created the universe. But before He did that, He was just existing, and time had no meaning, no relation to Him. So, time began when God created the universe.
So, accually we don't know very much about our God. So anything could be true. If he created the Universe, than maybe our Universe lies/existst inside another place. This place is the "World" God lives in. And he is sitting at a table with his friends (fellow Gods: Allah, Arieus, Zeus and a few others), he throws the dice on the table and looks down to make his move, because he is playing a boardgame called "The Rise and Fall of the Universe"... ;)
Oh and again, Kraut you say the Evolution Theory has been rejected, how come??
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...when we die, this induvidual energie becomes again part of the Global/Unversal energie, witch changes a fraction because of that. Than when someone is born, that someone is born with a part of this Global/Universal energie etc ... so, that kinda is like reincarnation.
So, accually we don't know very much about our God. So anything could be true. If he created the Universe, than maybe our Universe lies/existst inside another place. This place is the "World" God lives in. And he is sitting at a table with his friends (fellow Gods: Allah, Arieus, Zeus and a few others), he throws the dice on the table and looks down to make his move, because he is playing a boardgame called "The Rise and Fall of the Universe"... ;)
So did you just make that up about what happens when we die or were you inspired by something? I'm just curious. Anyway, We do know about God, not everything because we just cannot comprehend it, but we know enough. Read the Bible and you will learn more. As far as our universe lying in another place - that doesn't really make sense - our universe lies right where it is, which is here, wherever we are in terms of space. And no, he's not sitting at a table with "fellow gods."
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So, I'm sure some of you are familiar with us creating black holes. They cannot be sustained, but we can create black holes. Small ones. I may be wrong. I do know black holes are real. I mean, if we're willing to concede that a physical world even exists--something we cannot prove, making all conclusions therein fallible, albeit useful to an extent.
The world is not perfect. Weather patterns change for the worse, things do maladapt. Far from homeostatic, this world is far from perfect, further from being "too perfect." If the universe is quite large, and it is, why is our situation so special to you all? Some would say it's infinitely large, and to those I ask this: If the world is infinitely large and time indefinite, wouldn't you expect our situation to result from some physical dynamic eventually? I mean, the universe has had infinity years to conjure us. Big whoop.
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wow i didnt understand anything you said elliot
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wow i didnt understand anything you said elliot
All right. So, the physical world is what we think we live in. I'm talking about touching things, tasting things, seeing them, thinking about them. Certain laws govern this world--physical laws. But all we really know is that we are consciousnesse s that are having an experience. Maybe we're having an experience in a physical world full of things to touch and explore, or maybe we're creating sensory data, or something is feeding this data to us. If we're willing to believe in the physical world as "real," then we can go from there to create rules and gather data from this world in an effort to understand this world. Some people find it not useful to consider the physical world as unreal, so we press forward because believing in that world is the only way to do "useful" things. It's like this: You're sitting in a chair? Prove it. You can see it? Prove it. You're real? Prove it. You cannot prove it without referring to the physical world, whose existance cannot be proven. Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned.
And then, you know, the whole God thing: everyone's saying God must be real because how else could our super-sweet Earth position and temperature have come to be? I'm saying it's not all that impossible, and it's not all that super-sweet.
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What if our universe is actually the body of someone, and we are the cells of his body? That might explain god :)
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And then, you know, the whole God thing: everyone's saying God must be real because how else could our super-sweet Earth position and temperature have come to be? I'm saying it's not all that impossible, and it's not all that super-sweet.
Bonehead explained it well in post #58, then Lightning and Gio said that the world is perfect in post #s 73 and 74. I paraphrased them in post #77 to explain it better to Koekie. This is how I see it - the way things interact with one another, both living and nonliving things, how everything just mysteriously "works," and all that science stuff that I don't feel like explaining - that is God, He created that.
Whether our universe is "perfect" or not, I'm not sure. It really depends on how you perceive the world and what viewpoint you are looking at the universe from. Anyhow, I agree Elliot, storms are not "super-sweet." What's so "perfect" about a Tornado killing people? Even better, God created man, but is man perfect? No way. God is perfect. That doesn't necessary mean the universe He created is perfect. But the ways things are all set up, He did that for a reason. Anyway, my focus in this thread is not so much the scientific part with the stars and black holes and all that, its more of the spiritual side.
What if our universe is actually the body of someone, and we are the cells of his body? That might explain god :)
Hahaha, I don't think that might explain God, but that would be very interesting, and quite funny.
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WTF WE HACK GAMES WHAT IS THIS CRAP
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All I'm saying is that through your empirical evidence, e.g. a "working" ecosystem, I can find no rationale for concluding the existance of a god. Where do you draw the line? What is too amazing to be without God? Isn't everything blurry and confusing until we gather information to smooth it out? I think in the future, a lot of what astounds us will become less astounding but rather Godless. For example, the sun: not many people see God in that, but they sure used to. Now we rather get the sun, and it isn't so imbued with a spirituality. God appears to the blind and disappears once the physical world illuminates.
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All I'm saying is that through your empirical evidence, e.g. a "working" ecosystem, I can find no rationale for concluding the existance of a god. Where do you draw the line? What is too amazing to be without God? Isn't everything blurry and confusing until we gather information to smooth it out? I think in the future, a lot of what astounds us will become less astounding but rather Godless. For example, the sun: not many people see God in that, but they sure used to. Now we rather get the sun, and it isn't so imbued with a spirituality. God appears to the blind and disappears once the physical world illuminates.
so you saying that followers of God are blind to the physical aspects of this world? And no my faith will never disappear, no matter what were to happen.
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All I'm saying is that through your empirical evidence, e.g. a "working" ecosystem, I can find no rationale for concluding the existance of a god. Where do you draw the line? What is too amazing to be without God? Isn't everything blurry and confusing until we gather information to smooth it out? I think in the future, a lot of what astounds us will become less astounding but rather Godless. For example, the sun: not many people see God in that, but they sure used to. Now we rather get the sun, and it isn't so imbued with a spirituality. God appears to the blind and disappears once the physical world illuminates.
So in the future do you think all views are destined to become existentialist?
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What if our universe is actually the body of someone, and we are the cells of his body? That might explain god :)
wow, sometimes it seems like you are not the smartest person in the world lol
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so you saying that followers of God are blind to the physical aspects of this world? And no my faith will never disappear, no matter what were to happen.
I guess I was just indicating a trend. Fact often debunks superstition. I believe that faith in God is irrational, premature and invalid, i.e. a superstition that fact debunks.
So in the future do you think all views are destined to become existentialist?
I think of existentialism as a departure from science, and up to this point I think I've only provided support for science. I believe that objective information exists and is useful.
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wow, [COLOR="Red"]everytime you speak[/COLOR] it seems like you are not the smartest person in the world lol
there chris, i fixed your mistake. LOL
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All I'm saying is that through your empirical evidence, e.g. a "working" ecosystem, I can find no rationale for concluding the existance of a god. Where do you draw the line? What is too amazing to be without God? Isn't everything blurry and confusing until we gather information to smooth it out?
Its not "my" empirical evidence. Once again, I agree with both sides - I can see how everything works together almost perfectly, as if it has a creator. But I also agree with you that a working ecosystem is no evidence of existance of God. You can't just tell someone to walk outside and explain the carbon cycle and tell them its God's work, and they'll become a believer. That's why I said in my other post that I'm staying out of the science part of this and just focusing on the Bible and evidence of people's lives. I don't know where you draw the line, or what is too amazing without God, or if everything is blurry and confusing until we smooth it out. I just know there are two ways to look at it - from a Christian perspective and a non-Christian perspective, and the two sides will always agree on some things and always disagree on certain things.
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Its not "my" empirical evidence. Once again, I agree with both sides - I can see how everything works together almost perfectly, as if it has a creator. But I also agree with you that a working ecosystem is no evidence of existance of God. You can't just tell someone to walk outside and explain the carbon cycle and tell them its God's work, and they'll become a believer. That's why I said in my other post that I'm staying out of the science part of this and just focusing on the Bible and evidence of people's lives. I don't know where you draw the line, or what is too amazing without God, or if everything is blurry and confusing until we smooth it out. I just know there are two ways to look at it - from a Christian perspective and a non-Christian perspective, and the two sides will always agree on some things and always disagree on certain things.
Fair enough.
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Look you stupid and idiots. There is a god. If you think there is no god, then you are an idiot.
For promoting a religion that stresses it's acceptance of others regardless of their beliefs, that's a very narrow-minded and harsh statement. You're basically saying everyone who doesn't think what you think is wrong and incompitent. Think before writing something like that, not everyone believes in what you believe, keep that in mind.
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Well i said that because it was short and to the point. but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i just speak from what i have read and seen.
And a lot of people dont believe what i believe but that is why we have conflict.
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Well i said that because it was short and to the point. but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i just speak from what i have read and seen.
And a lot of people dont believe what i believe but that is why we have conflict.
but gio being a christian has also intiltled to it reaching out to others and sharing the gosple. and saying "if you dont believe it your and idiot" isnt a good way to do that. it just keeps people from comming to God and actually pushes them even farther away.
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I know but how many people here are gonna get pushed away.
i meant it more in a sense of humor than serious. But seriously then i believe people dont believe in god because..... i dont know somebody tell me why not.
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So did you just make that up about what happens when we die or were you inspired by something? I'm just curious. Anyway, We do know about God, not everything because we just cannot comprehend it, but we know enough. Read the Bible and you will learn more. As far as our universe lying in another place - that doesn't really make sense - our universe lies right where it is, which is here, wherever we are in terms of space. And no, he's not sitting at a table with "fellow gods."
Well accually I have thought about this stuff alot and I hade long discussions with friends about it, also in the past when I was still going to churh. It is all very simple, no heaven, no hell. When you die, then that's it, you are dead. Only that energie within you, your chi, your soul, that stuff you need your 6st sence for to understand (call it what you want) survives. It also lives on in the lives of the people you leave behind and impressions you made etc ... you changed that Global/Universal energie a little bit. Anyway that is how I like to see it ;)
What if our universe is actually the body of someone, and we are the cells of his body? That might explain god
I don't think this is all that stupid haha, think about it. Your body, or anything else for that matter, is made of molecules wich in there turn are made of atoms and there protons, neutrons and electrons, wich circel around an induvidual atom kinda like a "small Gallaxy"!! (And there are even tinier particals for that matter, but we have no proof of that jet). Now think of this "small Gallaxy" as our Gallaxy and look into outerspace and see all the other Gallaxies ... if all these Gallaxies where to be molecules then we indead would be part of something else. And that something else inturn, would also be part of something even bigger etc ... see, it is not at all impossible, it's pretty far fetched but far from impossible!!
i meant it more in a sense of humor than serious. But seriously then i believe people dont believe in god because..... i dont know somebody tell me why not.
I think you are looking at it the wrong way Gio. You ask yourself why some people DO NOT believe in God as if it were the trueth. I say to that, why DO you believe in God or in anything else for that matter. You infact are the one who has chosen to believe in something, therefor you are the one that should be able to explaine why you believe. Not the people that do not believe in God. :|
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I don't think this is all that stupid haha, think about it. Your body, or anything else for that matter, is made of molecules wich in there turn are made of atoms and there protons, neutrons and electrons, wich circel around an induvidual atom kinda like a "small Gallaxy"!! (And there are even tinier particals for that matter, but we have no proof of that jet). Now think of this "small Gallaxy" as our Gallaxy and look into outerspace and see all the other Gallaxies ... if all these Gallaxies where to be molecules then we indead would be part of something else. And that something else inturn, would also be part of something even bigger etc ... see, it is not at all impossible, it's pretty far fetched but far from impossible!!
I still think it's quite stupid. We have defined a cell, given it a definition. A planet does not fit the profile of a cell. Therefore, the planets could not be the cells of an organism.
I think you are looking at it the wrong way Gio. You ask yourself why some people DO NOT believe in God as if it were the trueth. I say to that, why DO you believe in God or in anything else for that matter. You infact are the one who has chosen to believe in something, therefor you are the one that should be able to explaine why you believe. Not the people that do not believe in God. :|
Correctamundo.
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WTF WE HACK GAMES WHAT IS THIS CRAP
Its for the wise people of this forum to deepen their level of thinking. NOOB!
Look you stupid and idiots. There is a god. If you think there is no god, then you are an idiot.
Ha, I just overlooked that because I thought he was joking. It was funny. I hope he was kidding, but if he wasn't, then yeah, like you guys said, he probably should have kept that to himself. But just because Gio says he beleives in God, doesn't mean he's perfect and that everything he says or does is just or "right."
Christians get held up to higher standards for what they believe in, they're always under a microscope by the non-believers, waiting for them to mess up, do/say something wrong, "sin," if you will. And once that happens, people are ready to jump all over them. Just keep this in mind when you guys do that - only one person has or will ever live a perfect life, and that was Jesus Christ. All of his followers are trying to do the same, but of course since we are human, that is impossible. That is why we need him.
I agree with you guys, he should not have said that if in fact he did mean it. But if you are looking for answers on how to live, don't look to me or Gio or anyone else. We can help you by telling you what we know about the Bible, and we can TRY to be a good example, but once again the place you should be looking is in the word of God and the life of Jesus.
Well accually I have thought about this stuff alot and I hade long discussions with friends about it, also in the past when I was still going to churh. It is all very simple, no heaven, no hell. When you die, then that's it, you are dead. Only that energie within you, your chi, your soul, that stuff you need your 6st sence for to understand (call it what you want) survives. It also lives on in the lives of the people you leave behind and impressions you made etc ... you changed that Global/Universal energie a little bit. Anyway that is how I like to see it ;)
Maybe you are having long discussions with the wrong people, or maybe the discussions are about the wrong thing. I don't know. I do know that this could go on forever. I think I pretty much know by now how you feel, and you should know how I feel by now since I've already stated it a few times. There's really nothing left to discuss, concerning this topic. But if you have more questions then feel free to fire away.
I think you are looking at it the wrong way Gio. You ask yourself why some people DO NOT believe in God as if it were the trueth. I say to that, why DO you believe in God or in anything else for that matter. You infact are the one who has chosen to believe in something, therefor you are the one that should be able to explaine why you believe. Not the people that do not believe in God. :|
Correctamundo.
I know you're referring to Gio but I just wanted to add something here real quick. I don't think he should be asking why some people DON'T believe in God, he should already know that. I too once didn't believe in God and there are a lot of reasons why NOT to. The thing is, once we do believe, we are commanded to spread the news, to tell others of the gospel, and to share our story. That is what we are doing. We've not trying to convert or "save" anyone, that is not our job. We are not capable of doing that, only Jesus can change one's heart regarding that.
Yes, I in fact am the one who has chosen to believe in something, and therefore I am the one that should be able to explain why I believe it. I think I've done so in previous posts before this one, try going back and re-reading. If you still don't understand why I believe then ask me again and I'll try to be more clear about it for you. Thanks for being mature about this discussion and not turning it into an angry argument.
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What if aliens came to Earth and did gene splicing on the Cro-Magnon, since we can create mutations in other species, maybe another species mutated us, making it so that our skulls and body stances changed? That sounds more reasonable actually.
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What if aliens came to Earth and did gene splicing on the Cro-Magnon, since we can create mutations in other species, maybe another species mutated us, making it so that our skulls and body stances changed? That sounds more reasonable actually.
wow..........
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What if aliens came to Earth and did gene splicing on the Cro-Magnon, since we can create mutations in other species, maybe another species mutated us, making it so that our skulls and body stances changed? That sounds more reasonable actually.
sounds more reasonable than what? you having a brain? i agree.
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Dont be hating :)
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I only ask because i want to know what these people think. what is their reasoning. i know what i believe. but those who dont i wonder. With so much proof that their is a god what is it that makes them believe otherwise.
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Theres actually no proof, any of the books of the bible could have been made up, theres no proof that the authors, actually had proof of what they saw, maybe they were ticked off about something that the hebrews did, maybe they were trying to make a cult, or split off like the catholics did from the rest of the christians. Theres also reason to believe that mary was jesus' wife. And also why is there different versions of the bible? Why if it all came from one book, then why is there different verses?
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all bibles are the same it's just the small words that are different. some bibles are made simpler to understand.
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Theres actually no proof, any of the books of the bible could have been made up, theres no proof that the authors, actually had proof of what they saw, maybe they were ticked off about something that the hebrews did, maybe they were trying to make a cult, or split off like the catholics did from the rest of the christians. Theres also reason to believe that mary was jesus' wife. And also why is there different versions of the bible? Why if it all came from one book, then why is there different verses?
I was once in your shoes so I know exactly what you're saying when you talk about "proof." Its so much easier to be on your side and disprove the Bible than it is to be on mine and try to prove it. But that's the good thing, its not my job to try to prove stories to you - I just tell you the truth and pray for you, and the rest is up to you and God. There are many historical documents that we consider to be "proof," or facts, of real events that happened. How do we know they are real - just because people wrote about them and we read it and believe it to be true. Nobody ever really questions a history book, do they?
Also, the Catholics didn't split from the Christians, in fact Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.. .its just that a lot of Baptists don't think Catholics are "saved." That gets into the whole denominations thing which I don't really like or take part of, the only label I like is Christian. As far of different versions of the Bible, that is because the Bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). So its hard to get a translation, a direct word-for-word translation from those languages to ours.
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Dont be hating :)
lol i dont hate, that was love but harsh love :)
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I only ask because i want to know what these people think. what is their reasoning. i know what i believe. but those who dont i wonder. With so much proof that their is a god what is it that makes them believe otherwise.
This is easy. I understand that you believe in the existance of a single God and the event written in the Bible about Christ a.o, and I respect that. How can I not, people have been believing this for about 2000 years now. But before this time period, there were a whole lot of other believes and understandings of this world we live in. So I think since we now in the past 2000 years have developed a much better understanding of our place in this Universe, it is time for a change again!!
I was once in your shoes so I know exactly what you're saying when you talk about "proof." Its so much easier to be on your side and disprove the Bible than it is to be on mine and try to prove it. But that's the good thing, its not my job to try to prove stories to you - I just tell you the truth and pray for you, and the rest is up to you and God. There are many historical documents that we consider to be "proof," or facts, of real events that happened. How do we know they are real - just because people wrote about them and we read it and believe it to be true. Nobody ever really questions a history book, do they?
Accually, I do question history books, all of them. You see, you have to take in mind that these stories were maybe written down by people who were allready confinced of the existance of God, or maybe people that were trying to promote this believe by blowing up or changing the story, or even making up the whole event. You can never be sure with what intent these stories were written down. This is why I will never take these scriptures for facts.
What if aliens came to Earth and did gene splicing on the Cro-Magnon, since we can create mutations in other species, maybe another species mutated us, making it so that our skulls and body stances changed? That sounds more reasonable actually.
Or maybe these aliens where just very horny as they flew by our planet and desided to come down to fuck a few monkeys and created our rass in the process :D ...
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Let it die already.
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Or maybe these aliens where just very horny as they flew by our planet and desided to come down to fuck a few monkeys and created our rass in the process :D ...
Well this makes you sound like a complete moron. Lets just leave it at this. Lets just say that if me, beete, gio and Chris are wrong then we all end up in the same place after we die. In the grave. But by our account if we are right then we end up in heaven and well non-believers end up not so happy. :)
John 3:16 (New International Version)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
Good Luck Koekie hope your aliens have a plan for you.
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Or maybe these aliens where just very horny as they flew by our planet and desided to come down to fuck a few monkeys and created our rass in the process :D ...
Well this makes you sound like a complete moron. Lets just leave it at this. Lets just say that if me, beete, gio and Chris are wrong then we all end up in the same place after we die. In the grave. But by our account if we are right then we end up in heaven and well non-believers end up not so happy. :)
Well first of all, I wasn't really being serious when I mentioned the "alien fucking monkeys" thing. That is why I putt the brigging smiley at the end of the sentence. And the fact that you appear not to have known or understand this, makes you pretty much the complete MORON here :D. Anyways, to me it is still a far better explenation as to how the human rass came to be, apposed to that we were created by God in one day.
John 3:16 (New International Version)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Trust me, what is ment here with "believing in Jesus" is a totally and completely different thing than the way YOU believe in Jesus!! How do I know?? Read the above, you are a complete moron and not capable of understanding this haha ...
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Trust me, what is ment here with "believing in Jesus" is a totally and completely different thing than the way YOU believe in Jesus!! How do I know?? Read the above, you are a complete moron and not capable of understanding this haha ...
Even though I'm not on certain people's side in this discussion, I still understand and respect the views of others. But what you just said here, quoting what Lightning said, makes ABSOLUTE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. One who does not believe in God and Jesus Christ as His Son will never be able to understand what the Bible means as Christians do (I'm not saying you can't comprehend ANY of it, and I'm also not saying Christians comprehend 100% of it). So I'm guessing you're one of those people, and therefore it is YOU that has no understanding of what the verse means.
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yeah that means that if you believe in jesus, (meaning that you have faith in him and do god's will, not just say oh i believe and jesus and there) then you will get eternal life.
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Well first of all, I wasn't really being serious when I mentioned the "alien fucking monkeys" thing. That is why I putt the brigging smiley at the end of the sentence. And the fact that you appear not to have known or understand this, makes you pretty much the complete MORON here :D. Anyways, to me it is still a far better explenation as to how the human rass came to be, apposed to that we were created by God in one day.
Well my bible says it was all created in 6 days. If you want a bible debate just ask I can help. I spent many years in school refining what I believe instead of the propoganda that the Govt. told me I needed to learn. You may wanna break out a Bible, I think you should try KJV very easy to read and read the first book its called Genesis. It explains a lot. There are many forshadows of the trinity, the idea of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Verse 1 creation of the universe and man. Verse 7 tells about how the flood and how this created the first rains. Before this there was no storms or rain. Just dew in the morning. Verse 11 tells about the seperation and how god eventually created numerious races as a punishment to man. Even Verse 16 talks about the creation of the crazy Muslim sect that we refer to as Al-Quida. And I can go on and on. But hey this was written thousands of years ago how can they predict the rise of Christian haters.
Peace.
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Jesus has an 11 inch black cock. I saw it in the bathroom where I sat, while simultaneously masturbating and hallucinating.
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Jesus has an 11 inch black cock. I saw it in the bathroom where I sat, while simultaneously masturbating and hallucinating.
Well, he was from the middle-east so he probably had an olive tint to his skin and being the son of god he was probably well endowed so that's probably not too far from the truth...
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Well, he was from the middle-east so he probably had an olive tint to his skin and being the son of god he was probably well endowed so that's probably not too far from the truth...
that's a subtlety that's often overlooked i think...whenev er i see a picture of jesus, he's always white. If he came from the middle east, i bet he'd be a hairy dark-skinned man, not some aryan blonde that he is often depicted to be. Just something that's bothered me for a while...
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yeah that means that if you believe in jesus, (meaning that you have faith in him and do god's will, not just say oh i believe and jesus and there) then you will get eternal life.
That's exactly what I ment, it's not just believing. It's about doing God's will, and believing that it is the right way to live, to take his examples and if you need to, you sacrifice your son for the greater cause like he did etc ... How many of todays Christan's can say they are treuly the followers of God, and that their one and only goal in live is to serve his will, I bett not even 5%. Most people these days just say they believe, so they can be sure of an afterlive, they think. They don't even go to church on sundays anymore. This is not the way it was ment to be. You either treuly "believe" like Chris was saying, or you just don't believe at all.
Well my bible says it was all created in 6 days. If you want a bible debate just ask I can help. I spent many years in school refining what I believe instead of the propoganda that the Govt. told me I needed to learn. You may wanna break out a Bible, I think you should try KJV very easy to read and read the first book its called Genesis. It explains a lot. There are many forshadows of the trinity, the idea of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Verse 1 creation of the universe and man. Verse 7 tells about how the flood and how this created the first rains. Before this there was no storms or rain. Just dew in the morning. Verse 11 tells about the seperation and how god eventually created numerious races as a punishment to man. Even Verse 16 talks about the creation of the crazy Muslim sect that we refer to as Al-Quida. And I can go on and on. But hey this was written thousands of years ago how can they predict the rise of Christian haters.
Peace.
I know these verses about the creation of everything, it is just that I don't believe one word of them. There is nothing special about them, I myself could have come up with something like that for people to believe in. There is no sence in debating the Bible with me Lightning, you believe it and I don't. Also, the stuff you are referring to are just some events that presumably happened by the one who wrote them down, it has totally nothing to do with the essence of being a true Christian. As I said before, I don't think you understand what is ment by "BELIEVING" in God. It is not about reading up on stuff from the Bible, it is about accually executing these believes in your live. You are making a big mistake, thinking you will end up in heaven by just saying that you believe and that the Bible is right. It is not ment to be that easy.
Now then Beetle, do you still wanna tell me that I don't understand?? :)
that's a subtlety that's often overlooked i think...whenev er i see a picture of jesus, he's always white. If he came from the middle east, i bet he'd be a hairy dark-skinned man, not some aryan blonde that he is often depicted to be. Just something that's bothered me for a while...
Don't forget that it says in the Bible, he is the son of God, so he is not really from the middle-east!!
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Now then Beetle, do you still wanna tell me that I don't understand?? :)
Don't forget that it says in the Bible, he is the son of God, so he is not really from the middle-east!!
I understand what you said in your last post. I don't agree with all of it but I understand what you're saying, if that makes sense. But when you were telling Lightning to "trust" you, and that HE doesn't understand, that is what you didn't understand. A Christian is not going to trust a non-Christian about what the Bible says, and they're not going to listen when a non-Christian tells them they don't understand what it is saying.
I also think you are wrong for assuming that Lightning only believes in God and that he's making a "big mistake" for doing so and not living it. How do you know that? I don't think you know him that well. I don't either, but you don't see me in here guessing what he beleieves or how he lives, or telling him he's making mistakes. Ha.
I think this conversation has come to the point where it is no longer progressing, its just spinning in the same circle. It looked like Lightning was hinting towards an end when he talked about how we'll really know when we die. If you have anything further to say, about something new, feel free. But I think I've said all I can about this particular issue.
And yes, even though Jesus is the Son of God - he lived a human life. Meaning he looked like the humans he was born to and lived with, so yes, he had a darker tone to his skin and stuff since he was in the middle east. Does that even really matter though? Not to me.
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Beetle, I agree that I don't know Lightning well enough to be absolutely sure, but I see no posts by him that proove me otherwise, and him telling me I am a moron, and that I will perish and go to hell, like he did in post 130, isn't really helping to convice me he is living his life like a real Christian. Anyways, I don't realy care either, no hard feelings. And yes I also have said what I wanted to say, so I have nothing further at this point.
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Beetle, I agree that I don't know Lightning well enough to be absolutely sure, but I see no posts by him that proove me otherwise, and him telling me I am a moron, and that I will perish and go to hell, like he did in post 130, isn't really helping to convice me he is living his life like a real Christian. Anyways, I don't realy care either, no hard feelings. And yes I also have said what I wanted to say, so I have nothing further at this point.
I think you are mistaken here Koekie. I never mentioned Hell in any post. And to make a statement about aliens and monkies creating our race seems moronic to me. I can't help that I am direct when I hear/read something that seems totaly obsurd to me. Thats where that statment came from. I thought we were talking about the universe. That is where my post came from. Its not all about religion, just my point of view on the creation of the Universe. I am trying to stay at least close to on topic. And you are right you don't know me. I have reserved my coments as to my religious beliefs on the afterlife and how to live your life.
But here are a few for you. I base all of my beliefs on what I have seen with my own eyes. I have seen people healed, delivered and lives restored by my GOD. That my friend is enough for me. Science has shown me nothing and it hasn't delivered anyone from a life of addiction, destroyed families, physical infermity or fulfilling your life. They just create more words and books on how we are disfunctional. Ill keep trusting in my God because he is bigger than the science you propigate. Maybe one day you will come to the realization that I live my life as an example of what I think a Christian should be like. It has nothing to do with the words that come out of your mouth but the life you live. If you walk the walk then you will talk the talk.
If you want to talk about a true Christian, post #138. I can really only think of two greater than Moses, Abraham and Noah. But hey they only lived to be 700 yrs old so they probably did know too much :). Ohh sorry I am debating the bible. Maybe if you thought of the bible as a history book instead of a religious book you might get more out of it. Because that is really what it is. Numerious authors that documented history. Ohh yeah it was Inspired by GOD. And Jesus was middle-eastern. Ahh Jew perhaps.
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I think you are mistaken here Koekie. I never mentioned Hell in any post. And to make a statement about aliens and monkies creating our race seems moronic to me. I can't help that I am direct when I hear/read something that seems totaly obsurd to me. Thats where that statment came from. I thought we were talking about the universe. That is where my post came from. Its not all about religion, just my point of view on the creation of the Universe. I am trying to stay at least close to on topic. And you are right you don't know me. I have reserved my coments as to my religious beliefs on the afterlife and how to live your life.
First of all, yes you did mentioned me going to hell and you are not, and thereby saying you are better than me right here:Lets just say that if me, beete, gio and Chris are wrong then we all end up in the same place after we die. In the grave. But by our account if we are right then we end up in heaven and well non-believers end up not so happy. :)
Further more, you believe stuff because of the way you interped things that happen around you. That doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong, or vise versa for that matter, it is just the way you experience this. And i really don't like this respectles additude you have against non believers. I do not respect you any less because you are a believer, but you don't seem to have any respect for what non believers believe, since you say they all will perish and go to hell. Explain to me how this behaviour makes you a better man then me Lightning :|
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Old thread I know, but I miss the good old civil debates we used to have.
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Old thread I know, but I miss the good old civil debates we used to have.
Quite a few turned into arguments though, some people don't know how to debate about something. Shame.
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This is the longest thread I ever made I think.
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I would live to have a good clean debate thread going on. I may start one :)
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I would live to have a good clean debate thread going on. I may start one :)
hmmmm i see. Blakjax wants to sleep with your lover/sister.
DEBATE!
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the universe just never stops.
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maggot don't make me remove your posting rights...
I agree stimph the universe does not have an end, it does go on forever, and to think god has named each and every star, planet is just a mind blower.
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hmmmm i see. Blakjax wants to sleep with your lover/sister.
DEBATE!
You think I would sleep with Bone's sister? I don't want Bone's filthy STD's.
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I see the universe as one gigantic orb, without an beginning or ending
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I can see now this is pointless, no way to have a good debate with such morons around...
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i think that everyone who you cant have a good debate with should be kicked out of the clan.
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I agree stimph the universe does not have an end, it does go on forever, and to think god has named each and every star, planet is just a mind blower.
I thought the astronomist that finds them names them, but most of them are named after Roman and Greek gods because the Romans/Greeks named most of them in the first place and its now the policy of the Atronomical community to do the same. But Mercury is named after Mercurius which in Roman means to move swiftly. Also all the satellites(Moons) of Uranus are named after characters from Shakespeare plays Ie. Ariel, Oberon, Miranda, Juliet etc Because the guy who discovered them John Herschel was apparently a big Shakespeare fan.
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maggot don't make me remove your posting rights...
Rodger
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maggot don't make me remove your posting rights...
I agree stimph the universe does not have an end, it does go on forever, and to think god has named each and every star, planet is just a mind blower.
yeah, makes you wonder how people don't believe in a god when things are just so perfect, for example the distance from the earth to the sun, if we were a couple of miles in difference, life on earth would not be possible, now tell me, how does a big bang happen to be so perfect?
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Let alone look at how complex we are.
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I thought the astronomist that finds them names them, but most of them are named after Roman and Greek gods because the Romans/Greeks named most of them in the first place and its now the policy of the Atronomical community to do the same. But Mercury is named after Mercurius which in Roman means to move swiftly. Also all the satellites(Moons) of Uranus are named after characters from Shakespeare plays Ie. Ariel, Oberon, Miranda, Juliet etc Because the guy who discovered them John Herschel was apparently a big Shakespeare fan.
hahahahahaha you said Uranus. Anyway, I am one of those people who doesn't believe in a god. There is perfect scientific reasoning behind why the earth, and the moon, as well as other planets are aliened. It is there gravitational pull. There is proof of evaluation, there is no proof of god. If you look at everything that happen through out history there is a scientific reason. Their is no bases, other than beliefs that there is a god. The whole believing in a higher power, is what drives people to do something in this life. They don't want to believe that everything they do is for nothing. They think that if they choose the right path it will lead them into the pearly gates. Wrong!! There is a chain of events that is set into motion by even the smallest detail. Yes, some of us do choose the path we go down, but some of us don't have a chose. It has to do with the environment we are born into. Not everyone can chose to be good. Some chose to live and to do so they may have to do something, what other people deem as bad, but they have to do it to survive. Anyway, I do believe that the universe is endless. Also that we will never be able to comprehend it's vastness.
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I feel so sorry for you :( evidence of God is all around you, the perfection in his work, the love he used in making this planet so perfect for us. There is no way, any person can honestly sit and tell me some chain of events just happen to make it all perfect. There is just no way. And no way for the earth to just rotate, in such a perfect manner with the sun and moon to create seasons, no way can it just happen the moon is set perfect to effect the tides, and climate of the oceans and rifts.
There is no way possible for any chain of events or any way any person can honestly give a reason why, except some half ass story they think is right. My answer is yes there is indeed a God and his name is Jehovah.
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Well lets say that if god does exist and he created this "perfect" world. Then the Devil must of created Man, because all we do is fuck it up. ???
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lol dune, the only reason why we are not perfect is because of adam and eve, once the devil fooled them into eating the specified fruit, we were all doomed with sin, but since Jesus gave his life for us, we are granted with forgiveness for all of our sins, well for those who are really sorry for what they have done at least.
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lol dune, the only reason why we are not perfect is because of adam and eve
So we're all inbred and should be the same color, right? If two people created everyone, then there wouldn't be too much variation in our DNA, and we'd be pretty messed up if two people (adam and eve) had kids, those kids had sex with each other and had kids/nephews and nieces....so on and so on.
And there wouldn't be race variation. Or people who live on islands. Or dinosaurs.
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This is why I think If there was a God, The Devil made Man:
First off they say God is above and the Devil is below, Heaven and Hell right.
Then how come all the things we prize most in this world such as Diamonds, Oil, Precious metals and Uranium we have to dig down deep for and are unnecissary luxuries we can do without.
But the things that sustain life ie. the things above ground we destroy such as trees, rivers and animals etc. Its like we subconciously want to return to Hell or make the Earth as close to Hell as we can...
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The things on top of the earth replenish themselves. In the US we plant more trees than we cut down. The animals were put her for food. The life cycle keeps all that in check. Lots of rivers at least where I'm from were created by man from the lakes and aqueducts that we created.
So we're all inbred and should be the same color, right? If two people created everyone, then there wouldn't be too much variation in our DNA, and we'd be pretty messed up if two people (adam and eve) had kids, those kids had sex with each other and had kids/nephews and nieces....so on and so on.
And there wouldn't be race variation. Or people who live on islands. Or dinosaurs.
Wasser I think if you read Genesis 11: The building of the Tower of Babel. It describes why there are multiple races and languages. God purposefully divided everyone put them on different places in the world and changed the languages.
I happen to think dinosaur's were here before man.
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adam and eve were dinosaurs.
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you didn't answer the huge question though...if we all came from two people, then we're all inbred correct? Sorry, i must've missed the genesis 1:1 thingy, but i'm sure there's some legitimate reason for black/white/yellow/brown/red people coming from two brown people (adam and eve were middle eastern correct?).
And dinosaurs were here before man, did god make them? Also carbon dating kind of proves the whole millions of years thing, a bit longer than how old the bible tells us the world is.
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the people millions of years ago didnt know how to write except they said "oga boga" and told their children "oga moga" which means that the story changed and one day a smart caveman said "hey" and the other cavemen were like "hey" so then they decided to call the first caveman abe and the cavemen then got angry at abe and they killed him but they felt bad and decided to give him a lame name like god
and then civil war broke out and the little smalled eyed cavemen went east and the white cavemen stayed in place and the black cavemen were like woah we dont like you whities so we are gonna go where its hot and where the animals will eat us cause we are awesome.
Then a guy named joe made a baby and called him the devil and the devil killed joe and called him a hoe and then his wife thought that was her name so thats where hoe came from :D
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I kinda agree with Dune. Think about it, everything that is beautiful is above ground. Granted a perfect diamond can be beautiful. Anyway, think about it. How many wars have been started over oil, well the government will say none, but we all know better. There is greed. How many people die over getting shot for their diamond ring, jewelry or anything like that. Alot. How many people have died mining coal, alot. Everything that comes from the ground, people pay with their lives in some shape or form. So if their is a God and devil, then God my have created the Earth and universe, yes, but the devil has had his hand in creating stuff on earth as well. But like I said I believe in neither God nor the Devil so, but if I am going to debate I like to look at the whole picture, not be one of those narrow minded dicks. I even hit spell check to show I can be a masterdebater
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you didn't answer the huge question though...if we all came from two people, then we're all inbred correct? Sorry, i must've missed the genesis 1:1 thingy, but i'm sure there's some legitimate reason for black/white/yellow/brown/red people coming from two brown people (adam and eve were middle eastern correct?).
And dinosaurs were here before man, did god make them? Also carbon dating kind of proves the whole millions of years thing, a bit longer than how old the bible tells us the world is.
lol not genesis 1:1, he said Genesis 11:1-10 i think
and hellraiser, yes satan does influence this world, you can say to a point that he practically runs the world as it is right now, but the time will come, when he hits the end of the road, besides lets say there is no god, all of those that did what the bible said will die and that's that. BUT what if there is a god, it's not gonna be good for those who said there was no god, or those who did wrong
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no one cares about my story lol.
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the people millions of years ago didnt know how to write except they said "oga boga" and told their children "oga moga" which means that the story changed and one day a smart caveman said "hey" and the other cavemen were like "hey" so then they decided to call the first caveman abe and the cavemen then got angry at abe and they killed him but they felt bad and decided to give him a lame name like god
and then civil war broke out and the little smalled eyed cavemen went east and the white cavemen stayed in place and the black cavemen were like woah we dont like you whities so we are gonna go where its hot and where the animals will eat us cause we are awesome.
Then a guy named joe made a baby and called him the devil and the devil killed joe and called him a hoe and then his wife thought that was her name so thats where hoe came from :D
and that my friends is how the world was created, summed up in two sentenced by kraut.
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lol not genesis 1:1, he said Genesis 11:1-10 i think
and hellraiser, yes satan does influence this world, you can say to a point that he practically runs the world as it is right now, but the time will come, when he hits the end of the road, besides lets say there is no god, all of those that did what the bible said will die and that's that. BUT what if there is a god, it's not gonna be good for those who said there was no god, or those who did wrong
You are right. If there happens to be a god people will be in trouble the day they go the get judged. But if he is a forgiving God like everyone says he is, then he should understand that certain things have happen in peoples lives to make them not believe. And for that he should be forgiving. It isn't like they worshipping a false god, they had no god. Also, some of those people who don't believe in god, don't do wrong, not because they are scared of what is going to happen in the after life, but because they were raised and have good morals. There are people out there that believe in god, but do wrong. Now tell me who is the worse of the two. I think the ones that believe but do bad things. It shows they have no selfcontrol or morals, so why just because they believe should they be aloud in heaven. They know the rules he has set down, but yet chose to ingnore them for selfish reasons. Like I have said before, a mjority of socielty need to believe that the reason they do good is so that they go to heaven. If there wasn't something to believe in then there would be chaos in todays society. I helps by giving people rules. I believe that some of them don't want to believe that they have to be good just for being good, that there will be some type of reward when they die. I think those people are the biggest fakers of all. Well next to the ones who believe but still commit crimes.
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You are judged on your actions, but your judged in your roles and the good you did in your life.
Believeing in god just means you believe in a afterlife, If you just had to know god was real or believed jesus was your savor, then most of the people before european kings forced it on its people would be in hell or limbo..
Cause after all church every sunday was what you HAD to do since thats what the kings said.
The bible was translated by english monks so anything in there could have been made up, and some of the places in the bible are geographically incorrect.
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Kraut,
If you are talking about Christians you have no idea what you are talking about or maybe your English translator is all messed up. To a Christian the only thing you are judged on is that Jesus is the savior. Check it out Romans 10:9-10..... Yeah
Going to church is like going to school. I don't care if you go for 1 million Sundays, it doesn't make you Righteous.
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Well said lightning.
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This seems all very interesting, but too much to read... But, where the hell is Beetle?
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Kraut,
If you are talking about Christians you have no idea what you are talking about or maybe your English translator is all messed up. To a Christian the only thing you are judged on is that Jesus is the savior. Check it out Romans 10:9-10..... Yeah
Going to church is like going to school. I don't care if you go for 1 million Sundays, it doesn't make you Righteous.
What your speaking of is that I can kill a whole city but if i believe jesus is my savior than im all good :)
and im roman catholic so it might be alittle different in my eyes.
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What he is saying is a good person does not such a thing, you don't have to goto church to believe in Jesus and Jehovah, A good hearted person the ones that will inherit the earth. Will not be murders, rapist, etc. But then again you can commit such and act and if you are really heartfelt in your asking of forgiveness then God does forgive, but in the end he will read into your heart to see if you are a good person or not.
All I can say for you being catholic is, may god forgive your blindness.
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All I can say for you being catholic is, may god forgive your blindness.
that's pretty uncalled for bonehead, aren't christians supposed to be all accepting? Not demeaning and have a superiority complex?
Just because he's a different religion(not even a different religion, just a different sect) that doesn't mean you have to pretend you're all high and mighty because your christian and he's catholic.
I mean beatle's pretty hard core christian, and he has never once said
"oh, you're catholic/lutheran/protestant/amish/jewish/agnostic/buddhist, i feel sorry for you because your religion is wrong and mine is right. Hope god forgives you for being wrong and doesn't send you to hell."
also you stop and think "hey, i might be pissing off other catholics here too" because i'm pretty sure chris is also catholic, and any others on here.
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hate to break it to you but roman catholicism was here before christianity was, they split off..
and theres 1,114,966,000+ catholics
and roman catholic church is the most closely traced to the church jesus started and his gathers
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BUT what if there is a god, it's not gonna be good for those who said there was no god, or those who did wrong
Well if there is I'm sure he's hardly gonna punnish those for not believing in him when he's never made his pressence known. And for those who've done wrong, I'm also catholic and I was brought up to believe in the reverse, that God isn't blind and we shall all pay for our sins. For example appologising to a judge for stealing doesn't cut much mustard with the Law. I figure I've got about a ten stretch in Hell before I get parolled to Heaven. Sins can also be justified though to some extent however, I mean in my eyes you can kill if your motives are for the good of your fellow man and against evil forces, or for the protection of your family and yourself.
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Catholics are blind, some of the stuff you believe in is just wow. I am in no religion, and don't care to be, most of it is just the want for more money, and most of it is lets use God's name to make money. And that I want no part of.
Next time before you start to string your harp be sure and read the owners manual. I never said it was wrong, evil, blah blah.
I have my opinions like you do to, but if you want to turn to personal attacks then you can be removed from this discussion. In the end everyone will find out what was right and what was wrong, only God has the right to say so. If I say you are blind, and ask God to forgive you, then that is what I ask of him.
The next personal attack in this great debate will have your rights removed from here.
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does that mean we cant post anymore?
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Personal attack?
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This is why this type of post isn't seen in to many forums... I would have to say this, it should had be closed as soon as talk was started about "God or Science". <<< Like you all, IMO. I will never post what I think on this subject, because what I believe is what will happen to "me" and not to "you".
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I will never post what I think on this subject, because what I believe is what will happen to "me" and not to "you".
rofls
i hope balth catches on to this ^^
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As I figured everyone would miss the point, sigh...
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rofls
i hope balth catches on to this ^^
Penis?
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Catholics are blind, some of the stuff you believe in is just wow. I am in no religion, and don't care to be, most of it is just the want for more money, and most of it is lets use God's name to make money. And that I want no part of.
Next time before you start to string your harp be sure and read the owners manual. I never said it was wrong, evil, blah blah.
I have my opinions like you do to, but if you want to turn to personal attacks then you can be removed from this discussion. In the end everyone will find out what was right and what was wrong, only God has the right to say so. If I say you are blind, and ask God to forgive you, then that is what I ask of him.
The next personal attack in this great debate will have your rights removed from here.
I never made a personal attack on you, i was just surprised at your lack of restraint when pretty much degrading a faith that you don't agree with, knowing it would offend the people who practice it.
Yes, i have my opinion and you have yours, but i don't say "i'm sorry you think that way" which basically is saying i'm sorry you don't think the way i do.
It was never intended as a personal attack, and to loaded i think this kind of discussion is healthy, as long as it doesn't go the way of cussing out people for no reason or making threats, which it so far has not after 13 pages of posting.
It's good to discuss this kind of stuff, as long as it remains civil.
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Wow interesting. All religions for the most part believe that theres is correct. That is the beauty of being a Christian. We only believe that you need to be saved, to be righteous. Its not wrong to say that Catholics are blind, that Jews are also blind and Muslims believe in the wrong brother. You can also ad LDS. If any religion tells me that I have to perform rituals, confessions, read some book by John Smith and pay 10% of my wages and give up my first born or Ill be thrown out of the church then yes I don't feel bad about telling someone they are blind. I have however learned in my few yrs here on earth that you can't change someones mind through a debate. All you can do is state your point and respect the others point of view. If you ask me I'll tell you because the Bible tells me to tell you. All God wants is to have a relationship with YOU!
Here is a simple fact.
There are three steps to being a Christian.
1. Romans 3:23 - All have Sinned
2. Romans 5:8 - Christ died for your sins.
3. Romans 10:9-10 - Confess in Christ and believe and you will be saved.
Thats all there is too it. If someone tells you that you have to do something else, then you are involved in Religion and not a relationship with God. I am sorry to tell you, but I BELIEVE that a relationship with God will get you further than Religion Will!
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there you go. But we are more holy since we commune with the bishop in rome.
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well the whole "do good unto others" is right on, no qualms with that. It's a few things in your book that bothers me...
-Slavery (hey, Exodus, Joel, Leviticus and Deutoronomy all say it's kosher. Oh wait, those are all heathen Jews. Oh wait, Matthew 18:25 also gives it a thumbs up. Off to the market we go!)
-Genocide (hey, Joshua did it a few times, and he was an ok old sort)
-Baby killing (hey, Exodus let them do away with all those noisy Egyptian kids, so it must be all right.)
-The occasional sexism (hey, Corinthians says chicks should just stfu)
-Stoning (oh, all kinds of fun places this is mentioned -- in fact, that whole opposition to school prayer thing? Apostasty! Rocks away!)
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Jesus wasnt white.
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Jesus wasnt white.
Then how do you explain the last supper painting? The orginal dates all the way back to the last supper!
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some painter in europe did that..
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some painter in europe did that..
not just some painter, Leonardo da Vinci, one of the greatest intellectual men in all of history. You wouldn't be using some of the stuff you use today without his inventions also.
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some painter in europe did that..
I know penis. I was kidding. And Jesus wasn't white. He was mexican. Look at his name.
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the spanish brought over those names and and killed tons of idiots using blowguns and knifes.
dumbass.
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the spanish brought over those names and and killed tons of idiots using blowguns and knifes.
dumbass.
I was kinding dickhead. Fuck off.
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lol chill out you :> fool
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lol chill out you :> fool
Oh I am not mad. Like I have said before, I don't take this shit seriuos. I love you like a sister. Well not like Bone loves his sister but you know what I mean.
Oh I was talking to one of my interperaters today about religion,(they do anything, or talk about anything because we pay them good), anyway from what I am gathering, everyone's bible/koran/whatever, they pretty much tell the same story to a point. Once they hit a point then they branch off to their beliefs. Such as some break off to follow Abraham, some Christ and so on. So each religion basically believes that some of the chain of events are the same.
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I am guessing you are talking about the Arabs. Here is the long and short of it. God promised Abraham a son that would be the seed of the Messiah. Abraham's wife Sarai didn't have a kid for like lots of years and she was getting old. So Abraham and Sarai took things into their own hands and so they decided to have their maid servant Hagar have the baby. She in fact got pregnant and had a son Ishmail. Then Sarai got pregnant and had a son named Isaac. This is where there is a big difference in religions. If you want to read it look at the promise is Gen 15:, Ishmail Gen16:, The description of Ishmail Gen 16:12. I love that one. Isaac is Gen 21:1-7 Hagar and Ishmail get the boot in Gen 21:8-21.
This story is one that I believe has caused the Terror attacks on the US and Isreal. This is the root of 9-11. Again my opinion. People think were killing for OIL. I think its more about RELIGION. But do to the separation of church and state thats not POLITICALLY CORRECT.
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I am guessing you are talking about the Arabs. Here is the long and short of it. God promised Abraham a son that would be the seed of the Messiah. Abraham's wife Sarai didn't have a kid for like lots of years and she was getting old. So Abraham and Sarai took things into their own hands and so they decided to have their maid servant Hagar have the baby. She in fact got pregnant and had a son Ishmail. Then Sarai got pregnant and had a son named Isaac. This is where there is a big difference in religions. If you want to read it look at the promise is Gen 15:, Ishmail Gen16:, The description of Ishmail Gen 16:12. I love that one. Isaac is Gen 21:1-7 Hagar and Ishmail get the boot in Gen 21:8-21.
This story is one that I believe has caused the Terror attacks on the US and Isreal. This is the root of 9-11. Again my opinion. People think were killing for OIL. I think its more about RELIGION. But do to the separation of church and state thats not POLITICALLY CORRECT.
I agree with you about the war on religion with Afghanistan. The war in Iraq is over Saddamn and what he did, as well as the oil. But Afghanistan we are going after the "attackers" of American soil. They did it because of religious beliefs, and that is also why the Taliban took over Afghanistan after the war with Russia. They wanted to instill their beliefs and values to all Afghan people since they felt that their country was in a rebuilding phase.
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"Those who remained neutral in the fight were cursed to be born with black skin thus the mormons explanation for the negro race"
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"Those who remained neutral in the fight were cursed to be born with black skin thus the mormons explanation for the negro race"
No they were just hanging out in the trees with the rest of the monkeys and got theri skin burnt. That is why the palms of their hand and bottoms of their feet are white. They were the only parts wrapped around the branches.
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No they were just hanging out in the trees with the rest of the monkeys and got theri skin burnt. That is why the palms of their hand and bottoms of their feet are white. They were the only parts wrapped around the branches.
MOTHER FUCKING ROFL!
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That is the reason soon religion will be abolished.
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I think its more about RELIGION. But do to the separation of church and state thats not POLITICALLY CORRECT.
I concur, shouldn't be over there in the first place, regardless if it's about oil or religion. If it is all about oil/religion, then we shouldn't be sending kids fresh out of high school to go get killed for it.
A question for Hellraiser, you're stationed in Afghanistan right? I think you said earlier you were talking with an interpreter, could you ask him how "Afghanistan" is pronounced? Because all the people on the news say "Af-gan-istan" but when i hear an Aghan pronounce it, they say it "Af-han-istan." They don't pronounce the "g" in the name, just wondering how they say it.
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accents i bet
like rednecks cant say words right anyway so its gotta be accents.
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accents i bet
like rednecks cant say words right anyway so its gotta be accents.
it wouldn't be accents, it would right or wrong pronunciation. You can say the word "warsh" instead of "wash" but it isn't necessarily because of an accent.
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Kraut is 1 post from being cleansed of this thread...
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im guessing it's just the way the say it. like most of you white guys will say "I-rack" when some asian countries such as india and countries in the middle east will say it "ee-rauch"
same Iran. it's not "I-ran" it's "ee-raun"
it's just pronunciation, but of course americans suck at saying other country's names properly.
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Bonehead i hate redneck "impersonaters" alot more, but i still hate rednecks cause they make fun of my car.. But i still <3 you :D
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im guessing it's just the way the say it. like most of you white guys will say "I-rack" when some asian countries such as india and countries in the middle east will say it "ee-rauch"
same Iran. it's not "I-ran" it's "ee-raun"
it's just pronunciation, but of course americans suck at saying other country's names properly.
yeah, i still want to know how they say it though. That would mean the proper way. I'm pretty sure we say it the wrong way when we say "af-gan-istan."
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Im officially not white i found out that my great grandpa was half turkish so we arent all white :D
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Im officially not white i found out that my great grandpa was half turkish so we arent all white :D
then that means you're 1/16th turkish, so you're still a white person, just with a tiny tiny bit of turkish blood in you.
And by the way, i think i've said this before, but turks are the mexicans of Europe. There are something close to 7 million (it's either 7 or 8 million) illegal turkish immigrants in germany, and people are getting pissed off there. You think 12 million illegal mexicans spread out over 50 states is bad, try putting 7 million of them in a country the size of washington. There have already been riots there, and it's only going to get worse.
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ottoman power will rise again
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I say block all borders, unless you have a proper visa, passport. Else shot em dead on sight!!!
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What about the Cubans who float across the ocean in goddamn bathtubs? We cann't put up shit to block them. Just hope their tubs get lost at see.
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We do have a navy and coast guard, you god damn retarded arab loving mother fucker!
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well we live in a big double bubble xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lxbzgwW7I