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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: mulletike on May 17, 2006, 07:41:46 AM
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I am repeating myself I know, bear with me:) I want to get some honest answers.
Does anyone find it funny that alcohol is legal yet marijuana isn't? Think about it, there are alcoholics everywhere who have serious problems with addiction and withdrawl, but the effect marijuana has is only psychiological . Also, if you drink too much alcohol, you're gonna throw up and feel like shit, whereas if you toke too much, you will just fall asleep.(most likely with some weird dreams:)
And finally, if you get drunk the night before you are obviously going to have a hangover (headaches, neausea, basically feel like shit) but with marijuana all you will have is a little crusty eyes. I think that it is an outrage that marijuana is villified yet alcohol is so accessible.
DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ME?
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It is very rare for people to not ever get hangovers, and I for one am sick of hearing it from everybody I know.
Though if you want to know how to lessen a hangover, drink lots of water while you are drinking. Hangovers are caused by dehydration, though you probably will have to piss alot:)
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Hey Misfit, it is a joke. Since this is a "Battlefield" clan, the whole make love not war thing is a joke. I am not really a hippie, and if I told you I was, I would be a poser. Although I think that they did have some good ideas, they were too busy getting high to execute them or make them into anything relevant other than just stoner thoughts. I do, however, wish that there was less strife in this world, don't you?
PS I DO take showers:)
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The legalization of marijuana has nothing to with the overall bodily effects in my book. It's all about the almighty dollar. Let's see if I can make any sense here.
I come from an area where Tobacco growth is in abundance and have family that grew it for years. It's a fairly tedious process. After the initial planting a farmer is going to tend to the Tobacco almost on a daily basis to get any kind of decent grade out of the crop. Then we have the harvest. Tobacco is unlike any other crop where you can just grab up your results in a hopper and ship it off to be manufactured into goods. Tobacco has to be aged in a cool dry area and shifted around every so often so it does not dry out completely. Then after the farmer has done all they can do to grow a quality crop it is sent off to an auction where the highest bidder is awarded the bundles.
Let's make a comparison to Marijuana growth shall we...
To my knowledge to grow Marijuana one only has to stick the seed in the ground or potting soil, water it, stick a light or the sun on it, separate certain parts of the plant when necessary, harvest when done. Then after all this one only has to either sell to dealer or sell it themselves.
Which scenario sounds easier eh? That's right.. Marijuana.
Which one do you think the Government can Tax alot easier? Tobacco.
So why do I think Marijuana is truly not legalized? Because it is alot easier to Tax a crop that is difficult to grow rather than a crop that a walking void could conjure up out of a flower pot.. So therefore if the Government cannot place a Tax on a crop that everybody and their brother could grow in their basement then it is deemed illegal
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Jesus christ, Balthazar, I never thought about it like that. I was always concerned about theory about its effects compared to alcohol rather than taxes and government and shit like that. Well, that certainly clears alot of things up, thanks:)
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Jesus christ, Balthazar, I never thought about it like that. I was always concerned about theory about its effects compared to alcohol rather than taxes and government and shit like that. Well, that certainly clears alot of things up, thanks:)
Either I’m not picking up the subtle nuances of your sarcasm or you are fairly easy to convince. Either way do not let me sway your view in either direction. I'm just stating my opinion, not trying to convince you that your view is "wrong" and mine is "right". You make some valid points yourself I just believe otherwise.
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If you want to have marijuana legally you should come the the Netherlands.
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Balthazar, I am anything but subtle lol. I still believe that I made some valid points, its just that I was always so one-dimensional about it. There are plenty of different sides to this topic that would probably take awhile for everyone to get into. I still think that it should be the other way around.
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Either I’m not picking up the subtle nuances of your sarcasm or you are fairly easy to convince. Either way do not let me sway your view in either direction. I'm just stating my opinion, not trying to convince you that your view is "wrong" and mine is "right". You make some valid points yourself I just believe otherwise.
Balthazar I am anything BUT subtle, its just that I was always so one-dimensional about the subject. I have had experiences with both marijuana and alcohol, and everytime I see a JUST SAY NO ad on tv villifying marijuana it makes me sick. As though alcohol is so much better, we live in such a crazy world. But there are multiple sides to the argument, and it would take quite awhile to get into. Your idea about the topic has more to do with politics, whereas mine is more theory and personal experiences. Politics is what runs this fucking nation, so you are really more right. Still pisses me off to no end though.
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Balthazar I am anything BUT subtle, its just that I was always so one-dimensional about the subject. I have had experiences with both marijuana and alcohol, and everytime I see a JUST SAY NO ad on tv villifying marijuana it makes me sick. As though alcohol is so much better, we live in such a crazy world. But there are multiple sides to the argument, and it would take quite awhile to get into. Your idea about the topic has more to do with politics, whereas mine is more theory and personal experiences. Politics is what runs this fucking nation, so you are really more right. Still pisses me off to no end though.
Reminds me of the argument Larry Flynt’s lawyer used in the case against Jerry Falwell concerning defamation of character. He argued that if a minor picks up a copy of Hustler magazine do we take it off the shelves? Much like if a minor acquires alcohol do we stop selling it all together?
I can understand your view and defiantly agree that the world we live in is in a sad state of affairs.
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2 much to read.......... ....
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funny, I never thought that I would have an intelligent conversation with someone from bf1942. Sorry, its just whenever I go to the server (in the game) all I hear is bitching and namecalling and "i fucked your mom!" nice to see there ARE intelligent people out there. Must be because most of the MAFIA members are over 18.
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Age has nothing to do with being intelligent. You are either intelligent or not, not really much you can do about that.
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Well I have had experiences with both also. Both types of drivers. One Drunk and the other high on marijuana. They both killed someone because of the effects of the drug. I do classify Alcohol as a drug. The reason I believe Alcohol is legal is the money that is passed through the hands of Congress people to push for legalization. Gotta be P.C. here. Ther is no monopoly for the distribution of MJ. Thus no large monies to be pushed into Congress for legalization. Its just a bunch of rag tag hippies that think they know the law. You may know this Balth but I think moonshine is Illegal. The same would happen if Marijuana was legal. You would have to get it from a tax based business. And if you get the Govt. involved they will make it hard on idependent sellers. I can't tell you how much Marijuana we confiscate each year. Its like 1,000's of pounds just in northern Cal.. Sorry tangent here. Its basically a stepping stone to harder drugs. Sorry thats just what I see on the streets.
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I know this may sound stupid, but I don't believe in that whole "gateway drug" theory. There are a lot of different reasons why people use drugs that I don't have to explain, but it is my belief that if people are going to use drugs they will. Some of it is genes, but everybody makes their own choice, do they not? I mean, really, when people build up a tolerance for marijuana, people say they will move on to something harder, but why not just buy a higher grade? Either way it will cost more money.
People don't classify alchohol as a gateway drug, even though the good effects of it are largely similiar to weed. Think about it, if marijuana was legalized, sure, alot more people would have access to it, but then again alot of dealers and organized crime would go out of business. It is the same thing with cocaine and the like. But in cocaine's case it is too dangerous and addictive, so there really isn't much we can do about it except work harder to bust mules.
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My 2 cents:
Well for one, mulletike mentioned that you don't throw up off of mj, you just fall asleep. That is not true cause all of my friends are pot heads and if they smoke too much they feel like shit and start throwing up everywhere.
Without considering the profitable stand points that balthazar has mentioned and whatnot...alco hol is legal because it is easily detectable and can be consumed to a point where it doesn't affect your decisions. Cops can pull you over and give you an alcohol test, but they can't give you a MJ test. Also, unlike alcohol, if you smoke MJ then your high. It doesn't have stages like alcohol. Like 1 or 2 beers = slight buzz, 3 or 4 = buzzed, etc... Once you smoke MJ your faded.
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Phantom I couldn't disagree more. Have you ever smoked pot? I have--not as much as I used to, but I certainly have plenty of first hand experience. You are partially right, you CAN throw up from weed, but that is only if you get totally blown. It only happened to me once, and that...... Well, you probably don't care, but suffice to say it was a lot. And your point about how once you smoke MJ you're faded is not true. As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who smoke pot on a regular basis and get through the day. For instance, when I was at high school, I would normally smoke a joint or bowl with some friends before school, and still work on homework and shit like that. If anything, its HARDER to be drunk and get through a day because, well, your drunk. The biggest effect MJ has is sleepyness and the munchies:)
There aren't too many clear-cut stages of high, because its the same throughout. You get relaxed, you get more relaxed, you get sleepy, if you smoke a shit-load of high grade stuff you will hallucinate, but thats it.
And unlike alcohol, people rarely get violent or mean when they are high,(and don't tell me different, my mom is an alcoholic, so I would know).
As for your point on cops pullng you over....... Please, have you smelled pot? It is highly detectable, and if you are smoking in a car it would be impossible not to tell. Not to mention red eyes and big pupils. They can make them walk the line anyways, its not that different. Like I said, the good effects of weed and alcohol are basically the same.
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My friend wants to say some thing in this thread so keep in mind that this is not me, well this part is.
ok now I have read every single thread here and to no offense but there is no valid point that u make that has not already made in the past I used to be the same as both u on both sides until I tried it and if u ask me if they legalize it less and less ppl will do it bc they r stupid but I say it should stay illegal y bc I get it for a cheap price and good shit to none the less if they legalized it I would miss the nights that I smoke on my back porch and no it would not be the same bc all my naighbors or how ever u spell that r old they will want to do it to greedy old ppl and plus they would taxe every MJ realated products so I vote no on leagalzation well I'm done
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My friend wants to say some thing in this thread so keep in mind that this is not me, well this part is.
ok now I have read every single thread here and to no offense but there is no valid point that u make that has not already made in the past I used to be the same as both u on both sides until I tried it and if u ask me if they legalize it less and less ppl will do it bc they r stupid but I say it should stay illegal y bc I get it for a cheap price and good shit to none the less if they legalized it I would miss the nights that I smoke on my back porch and no it would not be the same bc all my naighbors or how ever u spell that r old they will want to do it to greedy old ppl and plus they would taxe every MJ realated products so I vote no on leagalzation well I'm done
Scytheist.. is your friend masebot?
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Man! that was hard to read. Too many abbreviations there. That is another thing, the price would go up, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about whether you are getting ripped off, or about getting caught. Also, you wouldn't have to worry about whether your dealer is in town that night, just go to the gas station.
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Well my 2 cents...
I like dem french fried pataters mmm hmm
Lightning, I have been to other countries like germany, holland. and there pot is 100% legal. And guess what? germany does not have a problem with harder drugs like meth, crack etc because pot is so easy and cheap to get.
I mean why spend a few years in a german jail just because you shot up meth versus buying a pack of premo pot, sitting at a cafe and roasting you're ass in public at 3pm.
The us was, is, and will always be about taxation if they cant tax it, it's illegal.
Hell look at prostitution, here it's 100% illegal, in germany, holland etc it's 100% legal and controled you dont have wemon running around spreading aids and other std's. They are required to keep health cards and be tested every so often. No health card no one want's you're time.
In my book the us can learn allot from germany.
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They can't tax it, thats the main reason they dont sell it at pharmacys. Theres actually a substitute for it, its a drug thats used in a couple of hospitals in america, it has the same effects and its still being tested I believe.
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so mulletike, are you saying they should make alcohol illegal? i just hear a bunch of bad shit about alcohol from you. if our government was to make alky illegal all hell would break loose, and we'd have a whole nother "mafia" time which would be pretty cool but whatever. btw i love weed and alcohol. and theres my 3 cents lol.
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To tell the truth, Blakjax, I am very biased towards alcohol. You see, my mother was an alcoholic and it fucked up our whole family. Yes I know it will never happen, and I am NOT saying that it should be illegal, my original argument was that it was unfair that it was legal and marijuana is villifyed. From reading these posts I have gotten a better understanding of why things are the way they are. You can't exactly make alcohol in your tub can you lol. Jk, jk. Bathtub gin and all that. Very long and hard process.
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Oh you can make you're own beer, but the ingredients are taxed, so it's all good for our money loving government.
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Yeah Bonehead,you go ahead and make your own beer. As a matter of fact, take a bath or shower first lol
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Phantom I couldn't disagree more. Have you ever smoked pot? I have--not as much as I used to, but I certainly have plenty of first hand experience. You are partially right, you CAN throw up from weed, but that is only if you get totally blown. It only happened to me once, and that...... Well, you probably don't care, but suffice to say it was a lot. And your point about how once you smoke MJ you're faded is not true. As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who smoke pot on a regular basis and get through the day. For instance, when I was at high school, I would normally smoke a joint or bowl with some friends before school, and still work on homework and shit like that. If anything, its HARDER to be drunk and get through a day because, well, your drunk. The biggest effect MJ has is sleepyness and the munchies:)
There aren't too many clear-cut stages of high, because its the same throughout. You get relaxed, you get more relaxed, you get sleepy, if you smoke a shit-load of high grade stuff you will hallucinate, but thats it.
And unlike alcohol, people rarely get violent or mean when they are high,(and don't tell me different, my mom is an alcoholic, so I would know).
As for your point on cops pullng you over....... Please, have you smelled pot? It is highly detectable, and if you are smoking in a car it would be impossible not to tell. Not to mention red eyes and big pupils. They can make them walk the line anyways, its not that different. Like I said, the good effects of weed and alcohol are basically the same.
well now I'll play devil's advocate and argue against this.
For one, your response is of the typical pot head. Your basing your decisions on the fact that you obviously smoke pot every damn day. You may not realize your high because your so used to the feeling, but it very much does affect your judgement the second you take one hit. I'm sure you can still get through your day being high but it's because you've become dependant on it and your body is used to the reactions it causes. Now you say you have to be "blown" in order to throw up, which is utterly false...cuz I've seen first timers and pot heads throw up after taking one rip.
So about being pulled over, I'm sure officers can recognize if someone is high but people that do smoke constantly become better at disguising their actual state. Highly detectable you say? Eye drops, body spray, gum and whalla you look just as normal as anyone else. For Alcohol, there is no way to get past a breathe test, once you drink your done. 4 of my friends have gotten DUI's (alcohol) and they were faded out of their minds when it happened.
And no the effects of alcohol and weed are not the same, one is a hallucinogen and the other is a depressent. you even stated yourself that alcohol is violent while weed is sleepy.
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Hey, I have cleaned up considerably. It has been quite awhile since I have smoked, but I used to smoke pot every day, yes. And by the way, Marijuana is not classified as a Hallucinogen.
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You are however right about being pulled over. You still can't pass the fact that if an officer makes you walk the line it will be pretty obvious.
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In my book the us can learn allot from germany.
Damn straight. The laws are better there, you can drink and smoke at 16 but not drive until 21. Makes sense to me, better to have kids drunk on the bus then kids drunk running over other people. Weed isn't legal in germany, they're just lax about enforcing it, but it's right next to the netherlands so cops don't mind it. Ya, the US can learn alot from the fatherland, and the netherlands.
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Scytheist.. is your friend masebot?
lol, I thought the same thing when he was typing that.
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Well Marijuana is in a class of its own. here is the card i use to help catagorize people under the influence. Ohh and by the way MJ stays in your system for close to a month. The longest of all drugs. I can place you under the influence based on you physical appearence, BP and heart rate. #1 clue Pulse is usually around 110BPM. At that point you r done.
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And Phantom from my experience the Officers that let MJ go are either too lasy or not interested in investigating it.
Mulletike I must say that the peolpe that I have arrested and spoke with Typically say that they started with MJ when they were younger and they went to.. Well you name it Coke,Crack,Ice,Heroin,PCP etc...... I am sorry that you have had a bad experience with Alcohol in your family but All DRUGS effect a family the same way.
Bone. my personal feeling is that I don't care for any of it Alcohol, drugs, Persc. Meds etc. because I get tired of cleaning up the mess afterwards. If we could just push it off the road and not worry, It wouldn't bother me.
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BS weed isn't legal in germany, when I was there you could buy it in stores like a pack of smokes.
Well lightning let me say this and maybe it will make sense. :)
If you chase someone what most of the time happens? a bad wreck, crash, etc some states have finaly realized this, and make cops back off so the fucker wont speed and kill people.
Same as drugs the more people push them as bad the more people will do them. Most of the time allot of bad things happen because of arrogant cops, that have no real idea what in the fuck they are doing.
As that saying goes as I am sure you have heard it "You can only police the people as much as they want to be policed" then people start to retaliate.
I was on a base once and as most of you know the mp is the police for the military and as such some of them, like private sector cops are complete assholes.
Well a few of the guys on he base got tired of two of them, and their shit, so one night they got their asses beat and after that their asshole attitude went away.
My point is dont be an ass in life, no matter what you're job is, or who you are, just remember you bleed like everyone else. In the end if people would just calm down, and set priorities, for things that really need it, then things would run so much smoother.
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Not only did all that make since but it is all true, + rep.
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I think that a quote that I saw on the Simpsons says it all: "If the government says its okay then its no longer immoral"
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I can place you under the influence based on you physical appearence, BP and heart rate. #1 clue Pulse is usually around 110BPM. At that point you r done.
Not 100% true...the highest my pulse has ever gotten back in the day when I used to do that was 88bpm, still well within normal range. It's totally based on the person
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Or if the person has medical conditions like anxiety or a heart issue such as arrhythmia.
All I can say is a false, positive could cost someone their job ;)
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lol, weed still isn't legal in germany! It shares the border with the netherlands, maybe you were by the border and were in a go-between hash bar. Last time i checked it was still illegal, maybe it's changed but i doubt it.
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I was there last in 2004 so...
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i was last there for 16th birthday for 4 days....octobe r 2004. Maybe i didn't know the right places to look, all i know is if you're 16 you'll be served alcohol. On the down side, you have to ride a trolly back to your hotel with all the vagrants or drunk kids. Either way, good place to be.
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hey im 16, that sounds like fun :)
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man that dos sound like fun, wish i was there.
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Pfft we just took the hummer :D
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Not 100% true...the highest my pulse has ever gotten back in the day when I used to do that was 88bpm, still well within normal range. It's totally based on the person
I guess the scientific studies dont apply to you. You are one of a kind. Maybe if you are a marithon runner and your resting HR is 50. Anywayl last night I took a 1/4 pound of MJ off of a driver and his Pulse was 140. A Daily user. Ohh he went to jail.
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Lightening, thats cold. 1/4 pound, jesus!
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And I bet he smoked every damn bit of it to...
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lol probably:)
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I guess the scientific studies dont apply to you. You are one of a kind. Maybe if you are a marithon runner and your resting HR is 50. Anywayl last night I took a 1/4 pound of MJ off of a driver and his Pulse was 140. A Daily user. Ohh he went to jail.
Well let's see he hade a dealer amount of weed on him and he gets pulled over by cali's finest ;) so you tell me what his heart rate should be?
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I think my heart-rate would be a bit abnormal if i was in the same fiasco.
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In colorado people just say, "fuck now what do they want?"
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friend again
I am not masebot idk wut that is and no I dont have to worry about dealers i have 37 in town pfff oh and one of them works in a gas station ^^ and if u get caught u sir R THEE BIGGEST IDOIT y bc u would have to do some thing stupid to get caught by a stupid cop y r they stupid bc they smoke the drugs that we buy with our hard earned money unless ur a rich bitch then I just hate u well I'm out peace
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Its called edit...
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friend again
I am not masebot idk wut that is and no I dont have to worry about dealers i have 37 in town pfff oh and one of them works in a gas station ^^ and if u get caught u sir R THEE BIGGEST IDOIT y bc u would have to do some thing stupid to get caught by a stupid cop y r they stupid bc they smoke the drugs that we buy with our hard earned money unless ur a rich bitch then I just hate u well I'm out peace
Ok, can some one put this guys new forum name on this post? I dont want people thinking that was me. his name is Bob dol gotshot. he is a new member and my friend. how he got into my acount is beond me.
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Learn to keep passwords secret...
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friend again
I am not masebot idk wut that is and no I dont have to worry about dealers i have 37 in town pfff oh and one of them works in a gas station ^^ and if u get caught u sir R THEE BIGGEST IDOIT y bc u would have to do some thing stupid to get caught by a stupid cop y r they stupid bc they smoke the drugs that we buy with our hard earned money unless ur a rich bitch then I just hate u well I'm out peace
All of that was one sentence, so was his other post.(the friend/masebot)
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My friend says he can type better than me but at least i know how to separate my sentences.
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I guess the scientific studies dont apply to you. You are one of a kind. Maybe if you are a marithon runner and your resting HR is 50. Anywayl last night I took a 1/4 pound of MJ off of a driver and his Pulse was 140. A Daily user. Ohh he went to jail.
Oh please don't patronize me. Just because it doesn't fit in with what you've been taught doesn't mean it ain't so. I suppose though if I had 1/4 lb of pot on me and I got pullled over, I might get a little tachy.
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Oh please don't patronize me. Just because it doesn't fit in with what you've been taught doesn't mean it ain't so. I suppose though if I had 1/4 lb of pot on me and I got pullled over, I might get a little tachy.
It has nothing to do with what I have or haven't been taught it's scientific! I use Clinical Scientific guidelines. Don't be offended if I say I don't believe you. Its kinda like the guy that tells me he has had two beers and his BAC is .18%. I hear it all the time :) A little tachy? The arobic heart rate for a 30 yr old male is around 120. He was 50 and 20 above that. Hmm? When the new testers come out things will certianly change.
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Your both right and rong, any thing can happen in this world. know please stop fighting, cant you see its tearing me apart.
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It has nothing to do with what I have or haven't been taught it's scientific! I use Clinical Scientific guidelines. Don't be offended if I say I don't believe you. Its kinda like the guy that tells me he has had two beers and his BAC is .18%. I hear it all the time :) A little tachy? The arobic heart rate for a 30 yr old male is around 120. He was 50 and 20 above that. Hmm? When the new testers come out things will certianly change.
Seriously, what reason do I have to lie to you? I'm not some criminal that's trying to lie my way out of going to jail. Really. Think about it.
I am aware that you are basing your ideas around scientific information, where do you think I got the idea to take my pulse while high in the first place. However, you are taking the scientific information and letting your own experiences influence your ideas about it all. It took me less than 2 minutes to search google and find this: http://www.ukcia.org/research/AdverseEffectsOfCannabis.pdf
The second page second paragraph is where I'm coming from...it states that the effects of THC can increase a person's HR 20- 50%... SO...if my resting HR is 65, that means the least effect THC can have on my pulse is taking it up to 78...Like I said why the hell would I lie to you. Pwned. By a girl. :p
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Seriously, what reason do I have to lie to you? I'm not some criminal that's trying to lie my way out of going to jail. Really. Think about it.
I am aware that you are basing your ideas around scientific information, where do you think I got the idea to take my pulse while high in the first place. However, you are taking the scientific information and letting your own experiences influence your ideas about it all. It took me less than 2 minutes to search google and find this: http://www.ukcia.org/research/AdverseEffectsOfCannabis.pdf
The second page second paragraph is where I'm coming from...it states that the effects of THC can increase a person's HR 20- 50%... SO...if my resting HR is 65, that means the least effect THC can have on my pulse is taking it up to 78...Like I said why the hell would I lie to you. Pwned. By a girl. :p
Buzz off billy, i thought we were done with you
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Nice article, though a little old. I really like the part about marijuana being a precurser to homosexuality.
Quote "Regular cannabis use had a small association with premature mortality (RR 1·33), which was wholly explained by increased deaths from AIDS in men, probably because marijuana use was a marker for male homosexual behaviour."
Ill try and be more careful.
Lets see these articles claim 50%. I guess you can find what you want depending on the publisher.
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=40478
http://www.addiction2.com/marijuana_addiction.html
http://allfreeessays.com/student/Marijuana_Effects.html
Here is an interesting article on THC content.
http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/thc-content.htm
your article was dated 1988
1988 Average THC 3.18
2004 Average THC 5.81
Its almost doubled since the article. I am sure the tests were done prior to the writing and theis article is 2 yrs behind. :)
I just try and speak from experience. Had another last night. Pulse was 144.
I guess if what you were using Marijuana which had a THC content well below the average it may not of effected you adversley. Maybe it was ditchweed :) Like I said earlier your claim just doesn't fit in with the norm. Ohh an by the way most of my experience comes from Berkeley and San Francisco. Its pretty prevelent out here.
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I hate cops, not you lightning. Just colorado cops.
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Marijuana will never be legalized in the United States so get over it and close this thread.
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Marijuana will never be legalized in the United States so get over it and close this thread.
I think you are wrong. As soon as the govt can control it it will be legalized. obviousley you don't live in Cali. Its about 75% there already..
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Hey lighning, Can you use the internet on the lab top in your cop car?
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Marijuana will never be legalized in the United States so get over it and close this thread.
Well Back in the early 1900s, alcohol was illegal, and wouldnt you know it? Alcohol became "LEGAL". Pot is eventually gonna be "LEGAl" too just give it sometime.
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Nice article, though a little old. I really like the part about marijuana being a precurser to homosexuality.
Quote "Regular cannabis use had a small association with premature mortality (RR 1·33), which was wholly explained by increased deaths from AIDS in men, probably because marijuana use was a marker for male homosexual behaviour."
Ill try and be more careful.
Lets see these articles claim 50%. I guess you can find what you want depending on the publisher.
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=40478
http://www.addiction2.com/marijuana_addiction.html
http://allfreeessays.com/student/Marijuana_Effects.html
Here is an interesting article on THC content.
http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/thc-content.htm
your article was dated 1988
1988 Average THC 3.18
2004 Average THC 5.81
Its almost doubled since the article. I am sure the tests were done prior to the writing and theis article is 2 yrs behind. :)
I just try and speak from experience. Had another last night. Pulse was 144.
I guess if what you were using Marijuana which had a THC content well below the average it may not of effected you adversley. Maybe it was ditchweed :) Like I said earlier your claim just doesn't fit in with the norm. Ohh an by the way most of my experience comes from Berkeley and San Francisco. Its pretty prevelent out here.
Ditch weed? Have you ever been to Canada?
Nice try....
Article #1 says, and I quote "Marijuana use increases the heart rate as much as 50 percent"----As much as does not mean it increase 50% in every case...we all have the same biology, but we all react different ways to different things!
Article #2 says "During the time when the
user is high they will have an increased heart rate up to 50% above
normal."---Once again this article uses the phrase 'up to' which could mean anywhere between 1% and 50%!
Article #3 says "Marijuana use increases the heart rate as much as 50 percent, depending on the amount of THC. "----Do you see a pattern here?
Article #4 "During the time when the user is high they will have an increased heart rate up to 50% above normal."---Up to...need I say more? I also found this very interesting from this same article... "Different people will get different results, and certain types of cannabis can cause different effects."
I don't think I need to add any of my own articles at this point, yours seem to be sufficient. I'm pretty done with this anyways, my point has been proven by both of us, even though you still appear to be in denial. Have fun catchin the bad guys. Peace out.
P.S. Lazz, you're just upset because I rejected you, you stinky beaner! :p
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Hey lighning, Can you use the internet on the lab top in your cop car?
No
BR: I guess you just cant see the fact that none say anything about 20% as a base line minimum. Oops. I think the POT has effected your thinking. And yes I love catching your friends. HEHE. Hey maybe one day Ill catch you :).. I have caught lots that think like you until there in the back of the patrol car.
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FYI: I don't actually smoke the ganj anymore, my career is much more important to me. But if it makes you feel better, you can keep hoping someday you'll run into me, but unless you transfer to Canada, that ain't gonna happen.
BTW: anytime you ever wanna have a 'discussion' having to do with human anatomy and physiology again...I'll be here :)
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Thyroid Gland :)
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LOL
You never know Rubin. Was up there for the funeral for the 4 RCMP officers that were killed last year
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whats cmp mean?
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whats cmp mean?
Ya i wana know 2
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Oops Typo. Its RCMP = Royal Canadian Mounted Police
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/
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LOL
You never know Rubin. Was up there for the funeral for the 4 RCMP officers that were killed last year
You would have to change your thinking on pot before they would let you in the RCMP.......... ... they really don't give a fuck about people that smoke up here.......... . they have more important things to do............ . maybe if you and your cop buddies concentrated on the the more serious crimes, the states might be a half decent place to live.........
BTW: if pot is the gate way to other drugs i guess i should have been a herion addict by 14........ give your head a shake MR. Peace officer.
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You would have to change your thinking on pot before they would let you in the RCMP.......... ... they really don't give a fuck about people that smoke up here.......... . they have more important things to do............ . maybe if you and your cop buddies concentrated on the the more serious crimes, the states might be a half decent place to live.........
BTW: if pot is the gate way to other drugs i guess i should have been a herion addict by 14........ give your head a shake MR. Peace officer.
Canadian pride all right. I'm pretty sure pot in canada is like a parking ticket. Its like a 40$ fine or more im not to up to date on my laws. Non of my friends have ever been caught so i may be wrong
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You would have to change your thinking on pot before they would let you in the RCMP.......... ... they really don't give a fuck about people that smoke up here.......... . they have more important things to do............ . maybe if you and your cop buddies concentrated on the the more serious crimes, the states might be a half decent place to live.........
BTW: if pot is the gate way to other drugs i guess i should have been a herion addict by 14........ give your head a shake MR. Peace officer.
Duhh Stop smoking long enough to read the post. I went to the funeral. I dont wanna join the Socialist republic of Canada. And I am Canadian!!
Ohh they dont care about Marijuana. Here is the article..
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/03/03/alberta-shooting050303.html
This is a whole new subject.
I guess the death rate is not a serious crime to you. Here it is!!! The leading Killer in California among youth is traffic accidents. One of which is directly related to driving under the influence of Alcohol or Drugs. I know that Assault Robbery and Murder aren't very big crimes in Canada we think they are here. In most of the drug arrests that I habe lead to other crimes. Lets see the last guy was a gang member typical homicide and Assault candidate. The one before that was wanted in a string of Robberies. Had stolen property and numerious master keys for cars and buildings. The one before that was a Meth dealer. Ohh yeah all smoked POT.. Don't tell me that I have better things to do then get criminals off the streets. Obviousley you have no idea what you are talking about. I am not worried you will be into harder drugs before long. Just give it some time.
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pwn em lightning. :)
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Duhh Stop smoking long enough to read the post. I went to the funeral. I dont wanna join the Socialist republic of Canada. And I am Canadian!!
Ohh they dont care about Marijuana. Here is the article..
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/03/03/alberta-shooting050303.html
This is a whole new subject.
I guess the death rate is not a serious crime to you. Here it is!!! The leading Killer in California among youth is traffic accidents. One of which is directly related to driving under the influence of Alcohol or Drugs. I know that Assault Robbery and Murder aren't very big crimes in Canada we think they are here. In most of the drug arrests that I habe lead to other crimes. Lets see the last guy was a gang member typical homicide and Assault candidate. The one before that was wanted in a string of Robberies. Had stolen property and numerious master keys for cars and buildings. The one before that was a Meth dealer. Ohh yeah all smoked POT.. Don't tell me that I have better things to do then get criminals off the streets. Obviousley you have no idea what you are talking about. I am not worried you will be into harder drugs before long. Just give it some time.
Maybe pull your head out of your fat donut eatin ass there Mr. Piggy..... and read what I wrote. I said people that smoke it, not grow it or sell it; didn't even mention anything about meth, coc; car thief or gangs. It really comes down to choices people want to make for themselves. I think you are way off base with thinking everyone that smokes pot is going to end up a meth dealer coc head ........ or career criminals. Where I live you get a fine .... sometimes. Closest I ever came to a fine was the cop took the joint out of my mouth and stomped it out and carried on his way.
BTW you don't know me, you know nothing about me ....... after 20 some years of smoking pot .........yeah maybe tomorrow I'll go try some meth. Lighten up there donut boy and go catch those bad pot smoking kids. LOL so what do they pay you these days to be a cop 30 - 40 k a year. Thats a fucking joke, and you wonder why there are so many dirty cops. I bet 90% of the cops smoke up on the side and the only reason they bust someone is so they can get more without having to buy it. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THERE MR. PEACE OFFICER you can save the world yet.
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If it was legalized people would get addicted to it and lose double the money. (alcohol and pot) Besides just don't do either because it is pathetic to need a drug to feel good
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I smell a newb, and if it was leagol we would be some what like canada. well my friend sais that but i dont think so.
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Maybe pull your head out of your fat donut eatin ass there Mr. Piggy..... and read what I wrote. I said people that smoke it, not grow it or sell it; didn't even mention anything about meth, coc; car thief or gangs. It really comes down to choices people want to make for themselves. I think you are way off base with thinking everyone that smokes pot is going to end up a meth dealer coc head ........ or career criminals. Where I live you get a fine .... sometimes. Closest I ever came to a fine was the cop took the joint out of my mouth and stomped it out and carried on his way.
BTW you don't know me, you know nothing about me ....... after 20 some years of smoking pot .........yeah maybe tomorrow I'll go try some meth. Lighten up there donut boy and go catch those bad pot smoking kids. LOL so what do they pay you these days to be a cop 30 - 40 k a year. Thats a fucking joke, and you wonder why there are so many dirty cops. I bet 90% of the cops smoke up on the side and the only reason they bust someone is so they can get more without having to buy it. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THERE MR. PEACE OFFICER you can save the world yet.
Well there jackass I make in the neighborhood of 80-90 K a year. I am sure you make more... NOT.
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Well there jackass I make in the neighborhood of 80-90 K a year. I am sure you make more... NOT.
Go have another donut, there ass pirate. So what you get on the take is what,like 40-50 k of that .......... is that what your trying to say. My truck makes what you make in a year clown. Green rough necks make more then you do and you know what they all smoke pot to. LMAO... Keep on saving the world ass pirate.
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My truck makes what you make in a year clown. /QUOTE]
What are you some kinda long haul heifer. Yeah and im sure you have a 90% retirement at 50 to. Ohh im sorry its SSI.
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Pliskon I can tell from your attitude towards Lightning that you have probably gotten busted numerous times because you are too fucking stupid to keep it at home and hide it. You make me ashamed to call myself a pothead, because from my experience with cops if you are cordial with them and don't act like a jackass they will be alot more leniant and in turn nice towards you. That isn't true with all cops, but it is with most. And if you are the pothead that you say you are, why are you being such a douche? You are giving potheads like me a bad name which is saying something so fuck off already
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Pliskon I can tell from your attitude towards Lightning that you have probably gotten busted numerous times because you are too fucking stupid to keep it at home and hide it. You make me ashamed to call myself a pothead, because from my experience with cops if you are cordial with them and don't act like a jackass they will be alot more leniant and in turn nice towards you. That isn't true with all cops, but it is with most. And if you are the pothead that you say you are, why are you being such a douche? You are giving potheads like me a bad name which is saying something so fuck off already
lol, he lives in canada where it is leagol so stay out of this. he is more of a pot head than you are any ways, I bet he has been smoke weed for more than 20 years whitch blows your ass out of the water.
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My truck makes what you make in a year clown. /QUOTE]
What are you some kinda long haul heifer. Yeah and im sure you have a 90% retirement at 50 to. Ohh im sorry its SSI.
I dont have to work period :)
Also go look at mullet's porvile picture he looks like a stoner...
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Pliskon I can tell from your attitude towards Lightning that you have probably gotten busted numerous times because you are too fucking stupid to keep it at home and hide it. You make me ashamed to call myself a pothead, because from my experience with cops if you are cordial with them and don't act like a jackass they will be alot more leniant and in turn nice towards you. That isn't true with all cops, but it is with most. And if you are the pothead that you say you are, why are you being such a douche? You are giving potheads like me a bad name which is saying something so fuck off already
STFU ALREADY!!! Maybe go back and do some reading there fucktard and if you pull your head out of your ass long enough, you"ll see how many times I have been busted. I don't give you a bad name, you do that well enough on your own. Nice name to there Mr. 12 post Boy,
What are you some kinda long haul heifer. Yeah and im sure you have a 90% retirement at 50 to. Ohh im sorry its SSI.
No accually I work in the oilfield, and I said truck not semi or 18 wheeler..... well ok I lied my truck will only make about 40-50 K and I should make around 80 or 90 this year seeing how I just got back to work last month. As far as retiring ......... who knows, I like my job. I could semi retire now if I wanted to; but why? Fuck the price of oil is too high to stop now. Shit in another couple of years I'll be making 1/4 to half a mill. a year. But hey I'm sure your pension plan will keep you going, but then again a dickhead cop like yourself is probably going to get shot in the head just for being the ass pirate wannabe hero.
BTW: Kraut....... I love you.
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Pliskon I can tell from your attitude towards Lightning that you have probably gotten busted numerous times because you are too fucking stupid to keep it at home and hide it. You make me ashamed to call myself a pothead, because from my experience with cops if you are cordial with them and don't act like a jackass they will be alot more leniant and in turn nice towards you. That isn't true with all cops, but it is with most. And if you are the pothead that you say you are, why are you being such a douche? You are giving potheads like me a bad name which is saying something so fuck off already
You're damn right it's not true with all cops...take our buddy lightning here for example, I was nice to him simply stating that in my experience things weren't exactly as he said they were, and he comes back being a jackass calling me a liar. I agree, you need to pull your head out of your ass, who the fuck are you anyways? Some kid thats been around for a few weeks, trying to kiss mafia's ass in hopes of a referral? Good luck little man.
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Damn u people are taking this a bit to far and personal. RELAX
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Damn u people are taking this a bit to far and personal. RELAX
Where the fuck did u come from.......... . Just here for your entertainment brother....... .... you know me ..... i hate fucktards
Still love your ass though bitch. :p
BTW: If it comes out a beaner I'm shipping the both of them off to you..... :)
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LOL I love you to bro, dont wanna see my good fucking amigos bash each other, if it was some random fucktards i could careless. And before i forget, you better have that 1st class ticket to ELA ready cause im 100 percent sure its mine ;);), hit us up on vent more often, peace.
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I'm 100% sure you need to start taking some type of psych meds for all these delusions your having :p
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OoOo come to me ill give you some of my concerta 36 MG XP and my tother pill. lol rolf.
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Shit in another couple of years I'll be making 1/4 to half a mill. a year.
Holy shit, i should go work up there with you.
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I'm 100% sure you need to start taking some type of psych meds for all these delusions your having :p
Its mine billy dont make me bring out the dirty pms
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lol is anyone even talking about the legalization of marijuana anymore?
How many other stoners go to this forum anyways? Raise those joints/bowls/blunts/bongs in the air if you are a proud stoner!
"JUST BECAUSE I DON'T CARE DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND" Homer Simpson 1989-?
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lol is anyone even talking about the legalization of marijuana anymore?
Hey every thread gets off topic at some point,then it gets back on to the topic or it gets cloused.
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I dont like pot personally... ALot of my friends started it and now I rarely see them anymore.
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okay, since I started this thread im gonna put a link on here.
Its about marijuana and the whole controversy about where to put convicted pedophiles. Whaaaaa? It doesn't mention pedophiles at all, but its pretty implied if you aren't a complete dumbass. Here it is, I was cracking up:)
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30925
Come on, is that hilarious or what?
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I just wasted 20 minutes of my getting ready for bedtime reading a article that was pointless and I dont even remember what it was about now..
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seriously, kraut, read the article its hilarious :D
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If you want to get back on topic then here we go... I hate to keep beating a dead horse but the cold hard fact is that jumping through a few hoops can get you legal use of Marijuana. The smoke screen of Medical purpose is alive in California. It is still illegal by Fed govt. laws. The state has no power to over rule Federal law so the state has created a very liberal medical policy under prop. 215.
http://www.sfdph.org/Services/MCIDInfo.htm
With this you can posses 6 mature plants and up to a 8 ounces of Marijuana for personal use. Wow that is a lot. You can also transport it without fear of prosecution. Snakey and Billy it is legal in California but still illegal in Canada. Sorry for you. I am truly sorry that the two of you cant hold a discussion with out being defensive and feeling attacked. There is alot of information out there and I can admit and understand that people can have different view points. Billy if you think I was calling you a liar then I came off wrong. I was just stating that my experience and Physiological evidence didn't match your statement. If you are the exception then cool for you and I have learned something. Snake on the other hand you just seem to be an uneducated loud mouth individual. I cant wait to hear you intillectual reply ie.. donut boy, ass pirate, pull your head out of your fat donut eatin ass there Mr. Piggy..... Like I have never heard these before. Here is an article on Canadas stance on Marijuana. Unless there is a newer article.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/337/ca.shtml
It is however illegal to smoke and drive. This is a whole different discussion.
I am also not sorry that I take my job serious and feel a responsibility to remove people who are driving under the influence be it Alcohol, Marijuana, percription drugs or any other drug off the streets before they kill innocent people especially children. Its not fun picking up children or there parents that have limbs cut off and have been killed by some jackass that isn't responsible enough to stay out of a car after he gets high. I have seen it way too often.. Wake up people. I just hope for the individual that chooses to become intoxicated and drive for your sake that you are never involved in the tragedy of killing an innocent individual.
Peace.........
Interesting article for the small amount of marijuana in California
http://www.ag.ca.gov/bne/camp.htm
Lots of pot
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If you want to get back on topic then here we go... I hate to keep beating a dead horse but the cold hard fact is that jumping through a few hoops can get you legal use of Marijuana. The smoke screen of Medical purpose is alive in California. It is still illegal by Fed govt. laws. The state has no power to over rule Federal law so the state has created a very liberal medical policy under prop. 215.
http://www.sfdph.org/Services/MCIDInfo.htm
With this you can posses 6 mature plants and up to a 8 ounces of Marijuana for personal use. Wow that is a lot. You can also transport it without fear of prosecution. Snakey and Billy it is legal in California but still illegal in Canada. Sorry for you. I am truly sorry that the two of you cant hold a discussion with out being defensive and feeling attacked. There is alot of information out there and I can admit and understand that people can have different view points. Billy if you think I was calling you a liar then I came off wrong. I was just stating that my experience and Physiological evidence didn't match your statement. If you are the exception then cool for you and I have learned something. Snake on the other hand you just seem to be an uneducated loud mouth individual. I cant wait to hear you intillectual reply ie.. donut boy, ass pirate, pull your head out of your fat donut eatin ass there Mr. Piggy..... Like I have never heard these before. Here is an article on Canadas stance on Marijuana. Unless there is a newer article.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/337/ca.shtml
It is however illegal to smoke and drive. This is a whole different discussion.
I am also not sorry that I take my job serious and feel a responsibility to remove people who are driving under the influence be it Alcohol, Marijuana, percription drugs or any other drug off the streets before they kill innocent people especially children. Its not fun picking up children or there parents that have limbs cut off and have been killed by some jackass that isn't responsible enough to stay out of a car after he gets high. I have seen it way too often.. Wake up people. I just hope for the individual that chooses to become intoxicated and drive for your sake that you are never involved in the tragedy of killing an innocent individual.
Peace.........
Interesting article for the small amount of marijuana in California
http://www.ag.ca.gov/bne/camp.htm
Lots of pot
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Well, if I try to make an intelligent response to that I will look like a dumbass. Still, I have learned alot about how much politics has to do with the legalization of marijuana, about how Snake REALLY hates cops, and many other things. Not for ME to beat a dead horse, but my original argument still stands, no matter how naive it is: Alcohol is no better than marijuana. Simple, yet basically covers everything I have to say about the subject.
BTW Lightning, not to put you down or anything, but that pic of "lots of weed" was pretty weak. Im still having trouble posting pics, but here are the links to some REALLY primo shit:D
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_candleweed.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_barweed.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_cottoncandy.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_hugejoint.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_crystalbud.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_legalizeit.htm
Obviously thats a lot of pics, but who knows? Maybe some of you enjoy that. I know I do:;
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Well, if I try to make an intelligent response to that I will look like a dumbass. Still, I have learned alot about how much politics has to do with the legalization of marijuana, about how Snake REALLY hates cops, and many other things. Not for ME to beat a dead horse, but my original argument still stands, no matter how naive it is: Alcohol is no better than marijuana. Simple, yet basically covers everything I have to say about the subject.
BTW Lightning, not to put you down or anything, but that pic of "lots of weed" was pretty weak. Im still having trouble posting pics, but here are the links to some REALLY primo shit:D
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_candleweed.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_barweed.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_cottoncandy.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_hugejoint.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_crystalbud.htm
http://smokingwithstyle.com/nugpic_legalizeit.htm
Obviously thats a lot of pics, but who knows? Maybe some of you enjoy that. I know I do:;
hey you, idiot...give up! Stop posting the same thing over and over again. Lightning's right, lots of pot in CA and lots of deaths from it, he's right and you mulletike are wrong. Who cares about weed vs. alcohol, one is legal and the other isn't. You (mulletike) bitching on this forum isn't gonna make any progress in legalizing it. Your responses are repetitative and stupid. You defend weed alot because you used to smoke it alot....and where did you end up? Out of school. Good luck in getting a real job in about 5 years. Btw lightning, isn't it a misdemeanor to carry around like less than an ounce of weed in CA now?
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No its actually an infraction. ie.. traffic ticket.. More than 1oz is a Misdemeanor.
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Don't be offended if I say I don't believe you. Its kinda like the guy that tells me he has had two beers and his BAC is .18%.
Saying you don't believe me, to me is just like calling me a liar, because obviously the fella you're refering to with two beers was in fact lying to you. But no need for you to apologize for how I reacted, I do get defensive when someone implies I am not telling the truth, especially when I am, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I will apologize however for reacting in a negative way, but I am gonna blame it on my hormones, because really, what pregnant chick isn't hostile (especially when someone tells her she's wrong)? ;)
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I understand the hormone thing. I have two kids and I can attest to the well lets just call them sacrafices for your kids.
Its all good.
Peace
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Ah, a beautiful ending.