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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: Dymdez on January 14, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
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A tender topic, yes. But I'm curious as to what all of your views are, if any. What do you believe in and why?
I'm an atheist. I believe in human decency, logic, and rationality.
P.S. To be honest, I'd sense a lot of other atheists/agnostics here as well. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Atheist here.Beatlejuice believes in those fairytale books though
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A tender topic, yes. But I'm curious as to what all of your views are, if any. What do you believe in and why?
I'm an atheist. I believe in human decency, logic, and rationality.
P.S. To be honest, I'd sense a lot of other atheists/agnostics here as well. Correct me if I'm wrong.
do you believe there is an afterlife?
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I believe in the ghost of christmas past.
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http://www.mafiaowns.com/index.php?topic=4021.0 (http://www.mafiaowns.com/index.php?topic=4021.0)
Also...
I have examined many different religions, it's a hobby of mine...
Common belief systems from Christianity all the way to the Eastern belief systems such as Hinduism and everything in-between.
It has been an observation of mine that part of the human condition is to, at times, look within and outward and wonder of the great mysteries including who are we and why are we here?
I think belief systems provide a means of fulfilling some form of a answer to these common questions.
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I'm an atheist. I believe in human decency, logic, and rationality.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, my faith in humanity is waning with each passing day. I don't believe in an afterlife, or any higher being, and i'll found out when I die whether I was right or wrong. If I'm right, it won't matter. If i'm wrong, then I don't think any "loving god" would sentence me to an eternity of suffering; I'm a very moral person.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, my faith in humanity is waning with each passing day. I don't believe in an afterlife, or any higher being, and I'll found out when I die whether I was right or wrong. If I'm right, it won't matter. If I'm wrong, then I don't think any "loving god" would sentence me to an eternity of suffering; I'm a very moral person.
Aids = Ain't Interested Denying Salvation. :evil:
Agnostic Here.
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I'm an Atheist, but I respect other peoples beliefs and look into the reasonable parts of them. I have my own belief that when we die, our brain keeps working in our own realm like the classic "white room", where we have an intense feeling of peace and happiness that people would call Heaven. But my difference is that we don't connect with other people and their consciousness in there, rather we make our own people from our memories and continue that way. I actually know a guy who had heart disease and died once, then got revived and said that's pretty much what he saw. He died again on Christmas. I don't pray, but instead I figure out how to fix what I would be praying about, because praying is horse shit.
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We've been through this discussion in more threads than one. I usually try to stay out simply because it turns into a big joke. Anyway - I'm a Christian. I believe in the bible. It's a very long book with many chapters and pages. Do I know everything in it? No. Do I follow everything in it? I try, but being human, I am NOT perfect and come up short. I believe that I sin, as well as non-Christians. I don't think I'm greater or better than anybody else. The difference between me and the majority of you here is that I believe in Jesus Christ and through Him I have eternal life. I try to live my life based on the example He set in the new testament. There's much more to get in to, but I'm not trying to argue with you guys or prove you wrong or me right. It's just a personal decision we all have to make. If you have questions, you can read the bible or I can try to answer...
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So I don't know a whole lot about the Bible or Christianity since I've never been taught that stuff but now I'm starting to become interested in learning about all the different religions.
The Bible is split up into 2 parts, the New and Old Testament, right? But I've noticed that many people only follow one version. If they follow only one part, then how can they consider themselves following the Bible since they would only be reading half of the stuff?
If you are following the New Testament, why do people refer to phrases from the Old Testament when certain issues come up? For example on homosexuality, they use stuff from the Old in an argument but then ignore everything else?
Why do people pick and choose what they want to believe/preach from either testament? I know there's some stuff like you can't work on Sunday, eat shellfish, and that women must be under the command of men. But then people ignore that stuff but continue preaching other parts (like that homosexuality bits).
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If I died and went to Heaven or hell, what the fuck should I do there? WHAT THE FUCK DO I LIVE FOR IF IM FUCKING DEAD?
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We've been through this discussion in more threads than one. I usually try to stay out simply because it turns into a big joke. Anyway - I'm a Christian. I believe in the bible. It's a very long book with many chapters and pages. Do I know everything in it? No. Do I follow everything in it? I try, but being human, I am NOT perfect and come up short. I believe that I sin, as well as non-Christians. I don't think I'm greater or better than anybody else. The difference between me and the majority of you here is that I believe in Jesus Christ and through Him I have eternal life. I try to live my life based on the example He set in the new testament. There's much more to get in to, but I'm not trying to argue with you guys or prove you wrong or me right. It's just a personal decision we all have to make. If you have questions, you can read the bible or I can try to answer...
I think that should be less of a statement...yo u can't really say for a fact that you have eternal life. Let me ask you, why do you believe a higher power?
BOB I FUCKING MISS YOU.
Malbert - No I do not.
And Scooby, it's because it gives them a self empowering feeling. The defense they have against others is not solid, and has many gaps in it. So in order to fill these gaps, they typically pick and choose what fits best. In a good religious debate (is there such thing?), a nonbeliever is usually able to catch the theist eating their words on something they said in the previous minutes.
Here's how I see the whole thing, plain and simple. You can't prove there is a god, however no one can prove there isn't. But why throw in with something that could be true, when you can follow the advancements in science and humanity as a whole that are based solely on fact and empirical evidence?
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I think that should be less of a statement...yo u can't really say for a fact that you have eternal life. Let me ask you, why do you believe a higher power?
How can it be "less" of a statement? I said I BELIEVE in Jesus Christ and through Him I have eternal life. That is what I believe. I'm not saying you have to believe the same thing, and I'm not going to argue with you. I believe in a higher power because I've read the bible and I find it to be true. If you don't, then ok great. Good luck catching me eating my words. This is why I stay out of these pointless debates.
(p.s. - Scooby, what he said is not true, just his personal opinion that may be correct in some cases but certainly not all. Hopefully you're smart enough to have already figured that out)
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Hmm ok I misinterpreted, my fault.
P.S. Scooby, it's not all, I never said that, just most. The harder they try to back their beliefs, the quicker they grab for what's within reach. Before you know it, the holes can only be filled with truth. (< Insert dirty joke)
Edit: Oh and they have full potential to not be "pointless debates". If you open your mind, and maybe try to learn something, they can be useful. I spend a lot of my time in religious debates, and instead of pushing my beliefs, I listen to others, so that I get a better perspective of the other side. It allows one to be well versed all around. A great man once said, "I wish closed minds came with closed mouths".
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Over the past few years I have faded from my Christian beliefs. I believed the exact same thing Beatle has spoken. But ever since a few months ago when I started studying all the other "possible" (or so they call it) ways this world and everything in it was created I cannot believe that we are part of some random, incredibly spectacular display of chance. There is no math to it. The human (and like all animals) cells are incredibly complex (enormous understatement), and that's just the beginning.
I recently watch a movie concerning Christian beliefs but its aim was to scientifically prove Darwin (and other theories on the creation of man) wrong. There were moments that made you scratch your head but at one point it was explained that Darwin's theory has been drastically reduced to a mathematical phenomenon beyond comprehension. If any of this seems even a bit curious to you I highly recommend watching this one chapter in the series The Truth Project. http://www.thetruthproject.org/
I believe its on chapter 5, part. 2.... Here is a link to the preview: http://fotf.cdnetworks.net/truthproject/wmv/lesson5b_teaser.wmv
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We've been through this discussion in more threads than one. I usually try to stay out simply because it turns into a big joke. Anyway - I'm a Christian. I believe in the bible. It's a very long book with many chapters and pages. Do I know everything in it? No. Do I follow everything in it? I try, but being human, I am NOT perfect and come up short. I believe that I sin, as well as non-Christians. I don't think I'm greater or better than anybody else. The difference between me and the majority of you here is that I believe in Jesus Christ and through Him I have eternal life. I try to live my life based on the example He set in the new testament. There's much more to get in to, but I'm not trying to argue with you guys or prove you wrong or me right. It's just a personal decision we all have to make. If you have questions, you can read the bible or I can try to answer...
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religion is for feeble minded fucks who feels that if they pray to someone that all the wrong they have done will be taken away because someone died for you. Almost like the fucking suicide bombers when they blow themselves up they feel like they are doing good for their cause. Beatle, why not go blow yourself up and you will do the rest of the world good because you are a creep who prays on little boys.
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Hmm ok I misinterpreted, my fault.
Edit: Oh and they have full potential to not be "pointless debates". If you open your mind, and maybe try to learn something, they can be useful. I spend a lot of my time in religious debates, and instead of pushing my beliefs, I listen to others, so that I get a better perspective of the other side. It allows one to be well versed all around. A great man once said, "I wish closed minds came with closed mouths".
It's cool, I'm sure if I continue on I will misinterpret as well.
Yes they can be interesting discussions, you are correct, but here what I've generally found in the past is that a few people end up ruining it. I have an open mind, trust me, that's how I got to what I believe now. I was actually on your side of the "debate" until I was almost 19 years old. If I've come off as "I'm right and youre wrong, I'm not going to listen to you," then I apologize. I definitely know of Christians who kinda refuse to listen to anything but their own beliefs and it's annoying. But at this point I'm just going to sit back and let others chime in, as to try not to dominate the thread. You asked what we believe and why, and I've answered. I said if you have questions I'll TRY to answer. Until next time...
The Bible is split up into 2 parts, the New and Old Testament, right? But I've noticed that many people only follow one version. If they follow only one part, then how can they consider themselves following the Bible since they would only be reading half of the stuff?
If you are following the New Testament, why do people refer to phrases from the Old Testament when certain issues come up? For example on homosexuality, they use stuff from the Old in an argument but then ignore everything else?
Why do people pick and choose what they want to believe/preach from either testament? I know there's some stuff like you can't work on Sunday, eat shellfish, and that women must be under the command of men. But then people ignore that stuff but continue preaching other parts (like that homosexuality bits).
I can tell you what the bible says and what most Christians generally believe, although you probably won't understand it and ask more questions, which is fine. Or you will understand it and just say it's silly (I've said the same). The only other option is to understand it and believe it. I'm just basing this on past discussions with other non-beleivers. I guess that's the same reaction people have to ALL religions, not just Christianity - either they think it's crazy and they have a negative attitude towards it, or they are respectful towards it but simply do not agree with it or believe it, or they understand it and do believe it. Anyway, like I said to Dymdez, I'm going to chill for a while.
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Beatlejuice, I still love you :-*
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Kind of Catholic, but more Taoism since its apparently considered a religion. I see no need to religion, so I don't really consider myself Catholic apart from going to church every Sunday.
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If I'm a good person for my time here on earth, I find it hard to believe that a higher power would cast me into a lake of eternal hellfire just because I didn't read a book or go to church. So I'd just rather be a decent human being and hope for the best instead of aligning myself to one religion or the other.
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I'm not a religious person. Infact I only thought about it as causing more harm than good at one time. Then it hit me. Who just want's good? Without religion what kind of boring Hell would I actually be living in at the moment? I wanna argue with taxi drivers, watch debates on tv, live during wars, feel the atmosphere of conflict, hate people and watch all the movies. 90% of humans history on Earth is involved with some argument to do with religion. If there were no religion and some kinda revolutionary globalised idealogy where everyone somehow lives in peace and got along I think I'd get bored. So controversiall y I'm all for it and the more radical the better.
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I'm not a religious person. Infact I only thought about it as causing more harm than good at one time. Then it hit me. Who just want's good? Without religion what kind of boring Hell would I actually be living in at the moment? I wanna argue with taxi drivers, watch debates on tv, live during wars, feel the atmosphere of conflict, hate people and watch all the movies. 90% of humans history on Earth is involved with some argument to do with religion. If there were no religion and some kinda revolutionary globalised idealogy where everyone somehow lives in peace and got along I think I'd get bored. So controversiall y I'm all for it and the more radical the better.
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According to that graph, the height of Roman Scientific Advancement was when Rome was Christian. The argument is flawed as illiterate, pagan warlords from the north (Franks, Visigoths) began extending their lands south as the Roman Empire weakened until it finally imploded. IIRC, the Germanic tribes sought to rid Christianity (or they didn't really care about it), until whats-his-face of the Franks converted to Christianity to gain more control over his people and to inspire more moral out of his troops. Anyhow, long story short, Christianity did not create the dark ages (directly), it was the new uneducated overlords of Europe and also the destruction of the status quo/Pax Romana that was in Europe for almost 500 years. Christianity did, however, cause the dark ages to be extended as it put this mindset in people: God > survival > everything else. Also, much of Renaissance science can be attributed to scientists feeling it would help them better understand how God works, that is minus the humanists.
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If people didnt care so much about religion 2000 years ago then maybe we would have come further in technology and such
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If people didnt care so much about religion 2000 years ago then maybe we would have come further in technology and such
But that's ignorant, Islam throughout the 7nd century up until western imperialism encouraged Muslims to seek knowledge and expand on existing ones. The dark ages were only dark for Europe.
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But that's ignorant, Islam throughout the 7nd century up until western imperialism encouraged Muslims to seek knowledge and expand on existing ones. The dark ages were only dark for Europe.
and what has the middle east contributed with the last 200 years? umm nothing
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and what has the middle east contributed with the last 200 years? umm nothing
Because Western imperialism coupled with increased hate amongst its sub-religion ruined the area. Without the Muslims, science might not have become as advanced as it has.
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I tend to lean towards the ideas Freemasonry. Freemasons mostly believe in morals, philosophy, and brotherhood while avoiding false pretexts and arrogant prophets from many different religions. I’m a man of science so it’s hard to believe in any sort of obscure ultimate divine power or alluded promises of salvation.
The way I see it, if God really existed why would there be disease in this world? I was born with essential tremor and I have been unable to control it since I can remember. I used to blindly pray to god to make it disappear by judging my good deeds over any sins my family or I may have committed to afflict me with such a disease. I’m 21 now and the disease hasn’t gone away while progressing at the same time. Spiritually, I see no reason for me to have the disease. In reality I do have it and no god is going to cure me of it, so I respect a lot of the doctors and scientists that put in endless hours to find cures for many diseases. I always hear that shit argument that god wants you to suffer on this world before you can obtain salvation in heaven. To me that’s a bunch of bullshit. What about kids with birth defects and handicaps? Did they really deserve to have those “extreme” ailments before they even had the chance to prove to god how good of a person they are? For being such a “loving” father, god seems like the biggest douche bag there could possibly be. I always hear that god is everywhere in this world. Well, why the fuck can’t he take 5 seconds of his time to whisper in my ear that he exists? The pharmacist that I work with and I have various religious discussions about many reasons why god doesn't exist (it pays not talking to an idiot like some irrational religious fool). I could describe all these reasons why I don’t believe in god but I’m not here to write a book. Let me mention that I’m not a full blown atheist either. I still do question the existence of god.
So, why Freemasonry? I’m intrigued of how secret of a fraternity they are. Many believe that the higher degree masons know the truths about religion, both the power from the bad and the good. They use powerful symbolism all over the world. Their influence in politics is incredible. For example George Washington was a freemason. Many elite politicians and military generals are/were freemasons if you do the research. One of the major reasons Hitler came to power in Germany was the help he received from freemasons when no one even knew who the hell he was.
There are many different sects of Freemasons. My favorite is the Illuminati, perhaps the most powerful people in the world. Not much is specifically known about them because of how they secretly operate. If you do the research though, their existence becomes unquestionable .
Cool Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&hl=en_US
Just my view on religion
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But ever since a few months ago when I started studying all the other "possible" (or so they call it) ways this world and everything in it was created I cannot believe that we are part of some random, incredibly spectacular display of chance. There is no math to it. The human (and like all animals) cells are incredibly complex (enormous understatement), and that's just the beginning.
I respect your fascination for the complexity of the world and the composition of cells. However, saying there is no math to it is rather arrogant. In my defense if we take account of probability and the diverse universe, we get a fairly good idea of a “math” that explains this singularity. There’s one universe (if we exclude the theory of parallel universes) with an estimated hundreds of billions of galaxies. Within the galaxies are hundreds of billions of stars within solar systems composed of different arrangements of numerous planets. The chances are (to overemphasize) basically a googol to one that there is life, intelligent or not, that exists somewhere else in this universe.
Cells are extremely complex, especially the proteins within them. However, scientists have been able to replicate the “spark” that establishes the basic organic materials needed to make a cell (for example nucleotides).
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
Chances there are other life forms even in our solar system:
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/features/mars_life_feature_1015.html
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I am not from a religious family nor am I baptised. I grew up with Christian friends who believed that they were better than other people because they were "Closer" to god and jesus.
I do not believe in what I cannot see. I do somewhat believe in an afterlife tho, but there is no way to know way to tell until you're dead.
I support OUTLAW on his post, he goes trough the day with a tough disease to bear on his shoulders, if God exists, why would he make outlaw suffer?
Can a religious person answer my last Q?
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However, scientists have been able to replicate the “spark” that establishes the basic organic materials needed to make a cell (for example nucleotides).
Where did the spark come from?
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Where did the spark come from?
jumper cables hooked up to a live battery!!
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I tend to lean towards the ideas Freemasonry. Freemasons mostly believe in morals, philosophy, and brotherhood while avoiding false pretexts and arrogant prophets from many different religions. I’m a man of science so it’s hard to believe in any sort of obscure ultimate divine power or alluded promises of salvation.
The way I see it, if God really existed why would there be disease in this world? I was born with essential tremor and I have been unable to control it since I can remember. I used to blindly pray to god to make it disappear by judging my good deeds over any sins my family or I may have committed to afflict me with such a disease. I’m 21 now and the disease hasn’t gone away while progressing at the same time. Spiritually, I see no reason for me to have the disease. In reality I do have it and no god is going to cure me of it, so I respect a lot of the doctors and scientists that put in endless hours to find cures for many diseases. I always hear that shit argument that god wants you to suffer on this world before you can obtain salvation in heaven. To me that’s a bunch of bullshit. What about kids with birth defects and handicaps? Did they really deserve to have those “extreme” ailments before they even had the chance to prove to god how good of a person they are? For being such a “loving” father, god seems like the biggest douche bag there could possibly be. I always hear that god is everywhere in this world. Well, why the fuck can’t he take 5 seconds of his time to whisper in my ear that he exists? The pharmacist that I work with and I have various religious discussions about many reasons why god doesn't exist (it pays not talking to an idiot like some irrational religious fool). I could describe all these reasons why I don’t believe in god but I’m not here to write a book. Let me mention that I’m not a full blown atheist either. I still do question the existence of god.
So, why Freemasonry? I’m intrigued of how secret of a fraternity they are. Many believe that the higher degree masons know the truths about religion, both the power from the bad and the good. They use powerful symbolism all over the world. Their influence in politics is incredible. For example George Washington was a freemason. Many elite politicians and military generals are/were freemasons if you do the research. One of the major reasons Hitler came to power in Germany was the help he received from freemasons when no one even knew who the hell he was.
There are many different sects of Freemasons. My favorite is the Illuminati, perhaps the most powerful people in the world. Not much is specifically known about them because of how they secretly operate. If you do the research though, their existence becomes unquestionable .
Cool Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&hl=en_US
Just my view on religion
I will tell you that I agree with you 100%!
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Where did the spark come from?
If you’re alluding to the “original spark” it came from the extreme conditions that took place in the biosphere while Earth was still in its infancy. Many elements were mixing about in Earth’s atmosphere during this time. These elements included many important organic particles found everywhere in our bodies such as Oxygen, “Phosphate”, Hydrogen, Carbon, and Nitrogen. All of these are essential for the structure of RNA. The presence of water (let’s say a little warm pond on the surface of Earth as the crust was cooling) provides the optimal environment to produce RNA via condensation reaction. As years went on, reactions took place and were governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics . Entropy played its cards so to say. Molecules produced RNA, which conformed to DNA, which allowed cells to develop, cells allow organs, and organs provide organisms. If you allow organic reactions to take place for billions of years your product is going to be something incredibly unique like humans.
What these scientists did was remarkable. They took this level of sophistication and applied the same principles in a lab and their results were irrefutable.
Cool Pic:
http://www.web-books.com/MoBio/Free/Ch3A5.htm
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If you’re alluding to the “original spark” it came from the extreme conditions that took place in the biosphere while Earth was still in its infancy.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the "spark" that started it all. Since we "know" matter cannot be created or destroyed, where did the Earth come from?
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where did the Earth come from?
http://www.youtube.com/v/Tz8ithgTBj4?version=3&hl=en_US
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Humans are very insignificant creatures, if there is a God, he probably fucking hates us because we practically enslaved all his other creations and are destroying the world he created.
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Humans are very insignificant creatures, if there is a God, he probably fucking hates us because we practically enslaved all his other creations and are destroying the world he created.
Well, in that case shouldn’t god just hate himself for creating us the way he did?
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Well, in that case shouldn’t god just hate himself for creating us the way he did?
the nigger probably does
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The gods must be crazy.
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If I were to need/care about religion, I'd say its closer to deism. The theory of the watch maker just leaving the watch and letting humans figure it out seems to be the best.