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hahahhaha!!! clinton got owned!

alright... stop being so narrow-minded right now, no joke.  Why do you think the Muslim's feel that way?  Do you remember anything about my little talk on the use of the word "crusade"?  Christians have abused the hell out of the Muslim religion, it's no wonder they have a gripe.  Now, maybe you're saying, this goes back 1000 years, so they should stop crying about it.  This is the same way that Northern Ireland works.  William of Orange was it, invaded, took over, etc etc... and then the conflicts have been passed on by the generations, loyalist Ulster vs. the IRA.  The Middle East, has been taken over many times over by Christian whites of Europe.  Right there, you have a gripe, your rulers are Christian, and all your citizens are Muslim.  Take that one step further, where the rulers bring in missionaries and start to push Christianity on you.  With that history, if I were Muslim, I'd have an itching to kill myself a damn Christian too.


Everyone needs to stop thinking from this one-sided view.  You think you get it both ways, but you're not even close.  What's even more hypoctrical, is the fact that you're talking down on Muslim's for believing that they are a superior race... while in turn, basically supporting the fact that Christians American's are superior.  I'm failing to see the difference in the high and mighty thing, other than a name and race.

Speaking of Christians who think you should die if you aren't the same, what about the KKK?  The Ku Klux Klan is indeed, a Christian organization.  They target blacks, other minorities, and are extremely anti-semitic.  They believe that Christian whites are the superior race, and that all others should die.  Considering I see the same views on this forum, I don't think any of you have any basis to say someone else can't claim the same concept.  That's just hypocritical.


Now please note, I'm a devout atheist.  Atheist doesn't mean that I hate anybody who has a belief in God, but rather that I look at everyone who does as equal.  I guess I'm a medium in this sort of situation.

Iceman:
Form reading you posts Ice I get the feeling you are hearing a lot from an Instructor that is against the war.  I my be wrong but you also need to look at both sides.  There is bad and good in this war.

Woh man, I think you're barking up the wrong tree about viewing both sides.  That's only what I've been preaching the whole time.  In the beginning, I stated I understand the good that has been done by going into Iraq, but for the purpose of discussion in this thread, I will be taking the side of the overwhelming negatives surrounding the war.

Now what I say to you, is that I think you need to look at both sides of the war.  Don't look at it from only the US point of view, but look at it as an Iraqi.  Think about what the affects appear to you, and what actions the US are taking against you.  Observing the good and bad from the US side is still one point of view.  You need to observe the good and bad from Iraq.

And last time I checked Bush wasn't GOD so he is entiteled to make a few mistakes.  

A few mistakes yes, every leader is.  His mistakes ride into the thousands.  He is not a good leader.  The people of the US are terrorists, for electing a terrorist minded leader.  We so-called invaded Iraq for supporting terrorists.  Well if it's ok to claim Bush is a terrorist, then we can also blame his supporters, the US citizens.


A nuclear bomb, is no mistake.  A nuclear bomb, is sheer ignorence and bad judgement.

The thing about people have other views than my own... uhh... dude... sweet, what's mine say?  That's the whole purpose of a discussion and debate.  How could we be debating this right now, if there weren't multiple opinions.  I believe that part is apparent.


And no... The Koran is an Islamic holy book which expresses the actual, literal, factual words of God, that were revealed to us by the prophet Muhammed, from his visions of the angel Gabriel.  I'm atheist, but I know my texts.

Great replies guys!:)  Thanks Kraut, thanks MacGiraffe, and thanks Illusion for the Saud summary.


(working on my reply now...)

Okay i admit your right but what the hell you want us to do SIT DOWN AND HAVE FUKING TEA WITH THE CRAZY SON OF BITCHES I CAN BELIEVE IT NOW HERE IS MY LITTLE PLAY.

President of USA/bushhey um some one tell osama bin laden i want to have tea with him and settle this."

Do you realize that the Taliban conflict and the Saddam conflict are completely different?  The Bush administration just tried to tie them into one... and did a fairly poor job on it.  We've been friends with Saddam before in the 80's, it was possible to achieve again.  I don't think sending 300,000 troops into your country calls for sturdy grounds on the negotiation table.  I never said that we should have a tea party with Osama... I said we should go for the Taliban, despite my feelings and empathy for him.

I personally, sympathize with Osama and his cause.  The fact that I live in the US, and the fact that he won't make a compromise with us, saddens me.  He is a political mastermind who knows how to play his cards right.  I respect him.

Tommorow 1000 so on. I think this is some sign that god wants us all to live in peace or he will MAKE ARMEGEADON come quick. Now srry to get into religion but this is a eligous war maybe what we need is another crusade i really dont know as long as bombs arent going off on my streets i dont really care.

Woh there Bruce all mighty.  Hold it.  A crusade, by definition, is extensive militaristic actions for a certain cause.  Due to the Christian crusades in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, Arabs still see it as "lets kill Muslim's!"  If I remember correctly, the code name for their operation in Iraq was originally "crusade."  Say that in Iraq, and it's the equivilent to saying "I'm going to kill all you Muslim people."  So basically, you want a crusade Marine?  You want, to take your Christian faith to an extreme, and brutally murder the Iraqi's through acts of excessive destruction.  Basically you want to be a terrorist.  You are helping me prove my point time and time again.  You say we're not terrorists... yet you use the word crusade and talk about killing them all.

You know why troops are dieing in Iraq?  You think 50 a day is a bad thing that the Iraqi's should be held responsible for?  If a Muslim man, is standing 100 yards away from you, at your house with an M16 and an armored vehicle, what are you going to do?  The Muslim man, then spots you, and starts shooting at you.  You look up from you post, and get him dead between the eyes.  Why did you shoot?  Your reason is that he was on your home turf, he was armed, and he fired at you, so you were simply defending yourself.  Is this not, the same thing, yet instead of a Muslim man in the US, a US soldier in Iraq?

But when you say dont stick up for your country thats just bull shit.

What am I supposed to stick up for?  I stick up for what is right, not what helps my ideological beliefs progress the most.

and sure go ahead i am a child i am here to leanr and express my views and if there wrong it is the elders not meaning you have to be 60 but like older ppl then me to correct me. I really dont think though that since my teacher is in the marines that i got to answer to eveything. I just felt like replying but if some way some how one them terrorist or radicals blow him up and he dies i am joining the marines and avenging his death.
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That's good!:)  Education is a powerful thing.  I didn't realize you were 13, hell, I'm 16, and therefore, I'll try to not be so hard on you.  Everyone has to start somewhere, sometime, and you'll only benefit from discussions like this.


And if you would like to get into religion, I'll let you know that I am a member of the Atheist Americans of atheists.org.  I'm currently active in the Atheist community.

okay i know some you dont know me or anything but i found this interesting now i know you ppl dont like when other NOOBS such as my self bitch and complain but My grandma died almost 4 days before this and she was actually being buried at 9:00 when the first tower was hit. Then when the plane crashed in PA we had to leave the funneral in fear of what might happen next. Now i believe although we lost like a total of 2000 US troops the war in IRAG was a good idea also the war in AFGAINISTAN but when you come down to it "FREEDOM ISNT FREE" its those brave men and women who fight and die that keep us here living when you turn around and call THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN COMMUNISM not to accuse but you know what i mean. So dont go well you attack them what do you expect thats just bullshit they attacked us first they PRACTICALLY made war for them self.

Also for another rebuttle wow big words. Okay going back to ww2 when the NAZI war machine took over poland and took all those other countrys if you say well we attacked them thats TERRISM well then millions of ppl JEWS WHITES POWS and many more ppl would have dided we probably wouldent be here so TO CALL THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN DISRESPECT TO THOSE MILLIONS OF ALLIED TROOPS THAT FOUGHT AND DIED TO LIBERATE EUROPE.

     rest my case
ooooh 1 thing my teachers a marine and is going over to IRAG so that means you call him a terrorist to.

First off, you're an illiterate piece of shit.

2nd off, Ira[SIZE="2"]Q[/SIZE], not Irag you dumb fuck... never attacked us.  Iraqi's didn't do anything to us.  I was all for going for the Taliban in Afghanistan, if they were truely the terrorists who attacked us, but Iraq was a discourse from our position.  We kind of just trailed off... and eventually transferred our troops from Bin Laden, to Saddam, just like that.  WE, INVADED Iraq.  You're saying they attacked us first?  On what circumstances?  Afghanistan, and Iraq, are countries.  The Taliban, is an Islamic extremist group, who we believe attacked us.  Afghanistan, and Iraq, never attacked us, they are just in the general location, of where the Taliban are.  When we invaded Iraq, we were not after the Taliban, we were after Saddam.


So, now that I've contradicted most of what you say, congrats, you're wrong, and you're a dumb fuck.

DAMN, that guy owns.

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