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kick ass job laaz!

happy birthday!:)

Is anybody going to back up ICEMAN, it seems most of you like George Bush and support the war over there.  I think its good that we back our president and his decision, but I also think its ok to disagree at times as long as we are civilized and just with it.  Anyway, like I said I don't really have a say on this, but it seems like its everyone vs. him.  

Yeah, I kind of expected that.  I quit simply because I thoroughly responed and read every bit of information that some people put out, quoted, and answered questions, but from the replies I got back, nobody read what I had to say.  I must have answered the same questions multiple times in there.  As I've said the whole time, many people on here only take into account one-side.  Not reading what I post and sticking to your own is... one-sided just to let you all know.  I read your side, I got your argument.

As far as the 2008 elections go, I'm really pushing for a Democratic candidate.

so you're saying the adult Hobo's i see when i go to LA all over the Santa Monica pier aren't poor? They look grown up to me, and i think they lack money....and a house. Chris and  laaz will know what i'm talking about, it's a crappy neigborhood.

Yeah, I haven't had a chance to go there yet, but according to what I've been able to do as a kid, and I've seen others achieve as kids/adults, I can't think of any other reason than bad choices or lazyness to be poor.  I work my ass off not to be, and none of them should get a free ride either.


Wisma --- World War I... that I was referring to there.

You are a dumb ass.


End of story.  If you're not going to even read, or look, at anything I put up, I won't bother showing it.

I clearly have read your stuff, showing how I've answered what you've wanted to see multiple times, and I've quoted everything you've said, and replied.  Wish you would do the same, but you don't have 1/2 the intellectual capacity that it takes.

It's a lost cause on this forum.  I'm speaking to those who relay information, such as yourself Snyper.  You're like a French soldier in WWI.  Practically a sheep in the heard.  Your general tells you to jump up into no man's land, and run towards the enemy attempting attrition, and you say "ok."  The machine guns manned by 10-15 people then mow down hundreds of soldiers.  If the government told you to jump, you'd say "how high".

It makes since.

Nope... it makes SENSE.  Since is usually an association with a distance from (since)... a point in time.

Also what you are saying contradics what you are accusing. You are saying that Bush is just going after oil and trying to use 9/11 as a cover to go to war. You've said Bush is a retard...but are you saying he's a really good actor? Come on....his laugh has got to be proof enough that hes not faking. He has had good intentions the whole way though. Now as far as the plan and execution of the plan is under par in my belief. I would never question his intentions though.

Contradicts, and yes, when in a debate, spelling and punctuation are important as a way of showing your level of profession.

What did I contradict myself on?  When did I say he was a good actor?  Why wouldn't you question his intentions.  The first thing you are supposed to do is ask questions.  The only way you can find facts out are by asking questions.

Iceman you need to go to college first before you support these ideas. Trust me you'll learn a lot more than you think you know now.

And yet, you support my "one-sided" theory yet again.  Thank you for all the help on this, but really, I got it handled.  If you have looked into the "conspirators" theory, and if you were a good researcher, you would always check the source.  A large chunk of "conspirators," are college kids, or tend to be in the upper-class of education.  Basically, what you told me, is that college will help bring thoughts together.  So, congrats, thanks for proving to me that the general conspirator is an educated person who has solid evidence because of their education, allowing them to make a clean arguement.

College is a tool that will start the general analysis process if you aren't putting your brain to use already.  I am not the average child...  I've matured much quicker by being forced to take on higher responsibiliti es at earlier ages.  The fact that one of your arguements against me, is my age, is rediculous.  I'm one of the only 16 year old kids who even looks into politics.  The age of "conspirators" tend to be in there 20's and up, and the education level as higher college graduates.  Who is argueing for your side?  Many of those who don't support conspiratorist theories and argue against it have a lower education.  Many of them, went straight to the military after highschool, probably not able to get a damn good education in college.  The people who run your arguement, are the ones who you should be questioning the validity of.

Want some background knowledge on my thought process?  Here's some of my reading material that I've covered on my own:
Aristotle: On Dreams, On Generation and Corruption, On Interpretation, On Sense and Sensible, On the Heavens, On Physics, On Politics
Plato: Laws and Statesman
Thomas Hobbes -  Leviathan
George  Berkeley - Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge
If I'm correct, a lot of that is read in college, and helps to form a basis of your thought process, analyzing, and concluding.  Now, I realize that what I think now will change.  I used to think that girls had cuties and I'd never change!  Change is imminent, and unavoidable.  My friends who bitch about their parents not letting them stay out past 1:00 in the morning... there thoughts will change.  They'll have kids, and then they'll think of the safety they want for them, and do the same as their parents did, despite there feelings of when they were taught.  At least I acknowledge it.


[SIZE="2"]Ratman:[/SIZE]

I still can't believe that you think that those planes didn't crash. There are hundreds on photos of plane wreckage of plane parts, luggage and pieces of human remains including eye witnesses of the crashes. If you want the web sites I can send then to you, as long as you send an apology back.

Yes, please, post them up on the forums!  I'm considering this a debate right now, and the only way any of us can learn anything, is to post what we got.  Hopefully what I say will rub off on some of you, and hopefully you can show me something that will rub off on me.  What I've been saying this WHOLE time, is SHOW ME.  Show me a plane hitting the Pentagon.  Show me plane parts at the Pentagon.  Show me a plane at Shanksville.  Hell, show me body parts from Shanksville, considering the fact that the corener had nothing to inspect.

And, if you do have pictures of wreckage from the Pentagon, or wreckage at Shanksville, then the government contradicted themselves.  Congrats!  There's wreckage!  Then why the hell did they tell us that BOTH planes were incinerated upon impact?  When we can clearly see that there is wreckage to be examined.  The wreckage would have been destroyed if it were to be incinerated, so why would they say that?

That explains a lot...

You are so fucking retarded.  What my parents background happens to be, has nothing to do with my own speculation, and I am in no way like them.  I strive to be the exact opposite, and love to LEARN.  Some of you stupid ass motherfuckers believe that once a poor dumb bastard... always a poor dumb bastard... well I've got news for you, my 3.98 and honors classes say otherwise.  Not to mention the fact that many of you, haven't analyzed a thing.  SERIOUSLY, take my advice! try it!  Don't just read off a paper.  I didn't just read off videos, considering that when I started with this, the videos weren't even made.


Shove it.




And... talk about personal cheap shots.  Swifty, are you going to bitch about ThaSnypers comments?  Or is it just like your views on (researching) government?  completely one sided?




Wasser --- great insight into it!:)  I read it, I just somehow didn't quote you.. sorry about that:)

Just let me say that watching a movie that has no bases in reality is not research. No plane crash in PA or the Pentagon? Are you for real? Come on now your smarter than that.

(directly copied from the other thread... sorry if it's got a bit of an attitude on it;))
Show me a picture of a 757 that hit the pentagon, and one in Shanksville.  Unless you photoshop one, I doubt I'm gonna see any pics here.


[SIZE="5"]We'll play a game with it, spot the big jumbo jet plane!;)[/SIZE]
not to mention... there's no marking of wings hitting the pentagon:


and before it's collapse:


Loose Change used a lot of material from various websites, just search Pentagon attack on Google, and you'll see the notes about the windows are in-tact, theres only a 16 foot wide hole before it collapsed, the spools in the front are untouched... etc:



(I've been editing this a lot as a find pics...)



Shanksville time!



This is like where is Waldo;)


I don't see one.  Do you?  That's the most blatantly obvious evidence I can show you.  It's impossible for jet fuel which burnt at 2000 degrees, to "incinerate" a jumbo jet, when the metals that the plane are made of, have a melting point of 3000...  Not only that... but like I said before... first time ever... would this have been the occurance of a plane "incinerating."  Do you actually think that both occurances of this, the only ones in existence, happened on 9/11 when physics show it's impossible?

Even if a plane did hit the pentagon, it hit an area that underwent reconstruction, and basically had few people in it.  It was the only area that could with-stand this attack.  It "ripped lightpoles out of the ground," where as other flights have hit a lightpole, ripping off the wing, and crashing into many pieces (from Loose Change).  That screams something is going on that the government knew.

AND AGAIN...
[SIZE="6"]IF THEY WANT TO PROVE A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON, ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS RELEASE A VIDEO.  THEY RELEASED 5 FRAMES, FROM A SECURITY CAMERA OF AN EXPLOSION, NO PLANE WAS SHOWN.  WHY?  SHOW ME 4-5 MORE FRAMES AND CONFIRM IT.  IF IT WERE REAL, THIS IS ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO.[/SIZE]