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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: *MAFIA* Dune Surfer on May 27, 2008, 08:35:52 AM
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We haven't had a good debate for a while and we all have a right for free speech right? so no subject should be outlawed....
OK it got me thinking the other day, when Manowar said I was going to "hell" for saying if I had a Jesus action figure I'd use it as a voodoo doll and tickle christs ass. So I watched some videos on youtube of the Westboro baptist church.
I hope this doesn't upset people but as an athiest I can't understand why is this belief in "God" stuff still being preached and believed by everyone in this day an age, when we know what the Earth is, planets are and the universe consists of. What is a "God" and what does it do? Has any1 in the history of human existance seen a "God" or something it's done? If so what was it and how did they know a "God" did it? Also Did "God tell people to call him "God" or is that just made up?
As a non-religious person sitting back and observing this wierd praying to something stuff while attacking people, recruiting people and enfusing them with self righteousness all from ideas.... get this, in stories written down by arabs 1000's of years ago, seems to me most of the world has gone mad. Also crystal clear that Religion seems to be undeniably the underlining cause of pretty much all segregation and conflict in the history of the earth.
It makes me frustrated when people keep banging on about this stuff. I mean I believed in santa up to about the age of 5 but I learnt in science class reindeers can't fly. However this stuff has been going on for a few thousand years now its getting obsurd. Its like institutionali sed brainwashing and legal on a global scale passed on through families when children are at a young age and they pass it on to their children.
No wonder people have the capacity to cut off other peoples heads and blow themselves up when they so easily devote their lifes to something that has never had any evidence to suggest it ever existed. Religious people scare me sometimes they choose to take the word of others as law, rather than use their own eyes an ears.
Well thats my opinion, shooot!
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God isn't a person or thing, it's more of a state. I personaly believe that he made the Garden of Eden and such, baned Adam and Eve, ect., but all of this "he made everything in existance" stuff is just moronic. We have proof that the Earth and all other planets, stars and such were made during the Big Bang and the universe is ever expanding. Religion is like myths, it just explains the unexplainable. But it can only explain it for so long. Soon we find what REALLY happens and why it happens. A guy in a cloud with lightning sticks throwing them at people it no longer accepted. This is what most religions might end up as, simple stories and books.
edit, okay maybe not proof, but it is a highly supported THEORY
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I have to ask what evidence do we have for the big bang theory??
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If the universe is constantly getting bigger, than why is that? it has to be from some sort of explosion or rapid creation.
Also, if religion tells us that the Earth started only a few thousand years ago when man first came, then what the hell are all of these fossils?
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Read the Bible. I believe our Father sacrificed his only son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. As a christian I also believe that we should live our lifes to glorify him. I know that he is there %100. I'm not a preecher, nor do I have enough knowledge to explain clearly, but I think the Bible is the number one source for any of your questions, specifically the Book of Revolations, even though there are many other great books and stories. Revolations states basically the wierd, and sometimes terrible, phenomenas that come to Earth, which seems like it is coming true, due to the fact that SoCal had a tornado, freak earthquakes occuring around the world, mad hurricanes appearing, the global warming, etc. As for whether you are going to Heaven or Hell, you will find out when Judgement Day comes and you stand before God and you state how you lived your life. There is much, much more that can be said in contrast to your opinion, but I, unfortunately, cannot speak it because of the lack of knowledge.
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We haven't had a good debate for a while and we all have a right for free speech right? so no subject should be outlawed....
OK it got me thinking the other day, when Manowar said I was going to "hell" for saying if I had a Jesus action figure I'd use it as a voodoo doll and tickle christs ass. So I watched some videos on youtube of the Westboro baptist church.
I hope this doesn't upset people but as an athiest I can't understand why is this belief in "God" stuff still being preached and believed by everyone in this day an age, when we know what the Earth is, planets are and the universe consists of. What is a "God" and what does it do? Has any1 in the history of human existance seen a "God" or something it's done? If so what was it and how did they know a "God" did it? Also Did "God tell people to call him "God" or is that just made up?
As a non-religious person sitting back and observing this wierd praying to something stuff while attacking people, recruiting people and enfusing them with self righteousness all from ideas.... get this, in stories written down by arabs 1000's of years ago, seems to me most of the world has gone mad. Also crystal clear that Religion seems to be undeniably the underlining cause of pretty much all segregation and conflict in the history of the earth.
It makes me frustrated when people keep banging on about this stuff. I mean I believed in santa up to about the age of 5 but I learnt in science class reindeers can't fly. However this stuff has been going on for a few thousand years now its getting obsurd. Its like institutionali sed brainwashing and legal on a global scale passed on through families when children are at a young age and they pass it on to their children.
No wonder people have the capacity to cut off other peoples heads and blow themselves up when they so easily devote their lifes to something that has never had any evidence to suggest it ever existed. Religious people scare me sometimes they choose to take the word of others as law, rather than use their own eyes an ears.
Well thats my opinion, shooot!
Agnostic,an infidel or an atheist?
ag·nos·tic Audio Help /ægˈnɒstɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ag-nos-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
–adjective 3. of or pertaining to agnostics or agnosticism.
4. asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.
Atheist
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–noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
I kinda gotta agree with dune while staying out of this, on one hand i gotta say there a explanations for everything,even if we haven't found them all yet but on the other hand where would some of us be without something/one to believe in? Its not always "god" that will intervene in our lives but the thought of a higher being and power that can keep some sane.
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We have proof that the Earth and all other planets, stars and such were made during the Big Bang and the universe is ever expanding.
edit, okay maybe not proof, but it is a highly supported THEORY
HAHAHAHAHA, you shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about. The "Big Bang THEORY" is just that, a theory. And it is growing more and more unknown because it so far fetched. I had a teacher who was once an atheist, he told me that through all the research he did, he eventually came to know God because he could never find any realistic evidence that this world was created by some big bang theory. I know it might be hard, but go outside, look around you, and ask yourself "why?". Try and explain to me how and why everything is so unnecessarily beautiful. I love the people who try to explain to me how humans came from monkeys... Hell, even Darwin grew weary of his own natural selection theory. Why? Because he could never find proof, proof of the creation of man. Now you might think it is weird that I believe in evolution, but I do. I believe that creatures can adapt to their surroundings for survival, but using this as a explanation of creation, I couldn't disagree more. There is no possible way to explain the amazing life in this world when leaving God out of the picture. Of course you will tell me that there is no proof of God, but that is just the point is it not? It takes more faith to believe in God, than it does to not believe. As for religion, all it does is distort the image of God so that people can view him however they want. Religion was the worst this to happen to this small world. All you need is faith, God will come to you if you believe.
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Read the Bible. I believe our Father sacrificed his only son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. As a christian I also believe that we should live our lifes to glorify him. I know that he is there %100. I'm not a preecher, nor do I have enough knowledge to explain clearly, but I think the Bible is the number one source for any of your questions, specifically the Book of Revolations, even though there are many other great books and stories. Revolations states basically the wierd, and sometimes terrible, phenomenas that come to Earth, which seems like it is coming true, due to the fact that SoCal had a tornado, freak earthquakes occuring around the world, mad hurricanes appearing, the global warming, etc. There is much, much more that can be said in contrast to your opinion, but I, unfortunately, cannot speak it because of the lack of knowledge.
YES! It says how the world was created and how it is going to end. All great scale events where many lives were lost are listed in the bible
It has the end of the world (2012) and scientists have multiple reasons to back up the ending of the world in 2012 (using scientific explanations of course)
There will always be people who disagree because when it comes down to debating, it's just one person's opinion trying to persuade another and sometimes peoples opinions cant be persuaded.
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Blackjax is correct. If you have real faith, you do not need to see to believe, it is the total opposite that you need to do.
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@death The 2012 idea came from the Mayan calendar I thought.
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@death The 2012 idea came from the Mayan calendar I thought.
It did except they couldn't even predict when they would get owned by the spanish. So that date is useless.
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Read the Bible. I believe our Father sacrificed his only son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. As a christian I also believe that we should live our lifes to glorify him. I know that he is there %100. I'm not a preecher, nor do I have enough knowledge to explain clearly, but I think the Bible is the number one source for any of your questions, specifically the Book of Revolations, even though there are many other great books and stories. Revolations states basically the wierd, and sometimes terrible, phenomenas that come to Earth, which seems like it is coming true, due to the fact that SoCal had a tornado, freak earthquakes occuring around the world, mad hurricanes appearing, the global warming, etc. As for whether you are going to Heaven or Hell, you will find out when Judgement Day comes and you stand before God and you state how you lived your life. There is much, much more that can be said in contrast to your opinion, but I, unfortunately, cannot speak it because of the lack of knowledge.
If "God" exists and he supposedly did sacrifice his only son "Jesus" then whats the big deal? People sacrifice their sons everyday if you haven't noticed and surely wouldn't Jesus be sat by his father now in heaven living the easy life anyway. These books that you follow are written by "men" not Gods or sons of gods but human beings. If I burried the lord of the Rings in the sand for a 1000 years, would people dig it up and believe that Orks and Elves onced existed. Also why does this mythical being get the credit for freak events like Earthquakes? these can be explained by the shifting of tetonic plates much like every other natural disaster.
Whether there's a Heaven or Hell, I believe people just can't take onboard that when they die they will just no longer exist and it scares them too much to face this fact. The whole going to heaven idea is in my opinion just happy notion to make people work out their whole lives and abide by the contraints of society with a belief they will have this special retirement plan waiting for them when they have finally worked themselves to death.
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I am an agnostic, i think there is probably some kind of being that created everything, but i'm not gonna pretend i know his/her name, or how they created the universe.
For me, it kind of pisses me off when i'll ask a co-worker of mine (he's jehova witness) and i said to him, "so, based on the teachings of the bible, only christians will go to heaven, that true?" He replied, "sure, that's what it says." So then i said "well what about people who are pretty much saintly, but aren't christian. You know, like Ghandi, or Mother Teressa, just because they don't practice the same branch of Christianity as you do, you can't really deny that they were good people who tried to help out everyone they could. But....they're still going to hell?" He said, "yup."
I pretty much see it like this...if you try to be a good person, help out people, and have a good fulfilling life, then you shouldn't worry about eternal damnation in a lake of hellfire. If there is a God, i doubt he would cast a Buddhist monk into a lake of fire for all eternity just because he wasn't a christian. And if God doesn't exist, then you've got nothing to worry about.
Also, the whole "convert and you're fixed" thing kinda bugs me too. You could be a former serial killer/child rapist, convert to christianity, ask for forgiveness, say you're sorry, and shah-bam! you're now as clean as the guy next to you, all because you said "sorry." That doesn't fly with me.
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Personally, religion gives people something to believe in. It helps them think that they are doing good for a reason as opposed to just doing good. They need to feel that they have a purpose. God, his rules, and all the sins are just an outline for what people believe will help them get through this life, and perhaps to a great after life. There is no proof that there is an after life. The only proof is that we are here now, so treat each other as you want to be treated. Oh and there is one more proof, that you are going to die. Live your life to the fullest and enjoy it, but be kind to others.
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@death The 2012 idea came from the Mayan calendar I thought.
it did, it was also in bible, the last prophecy i think
Scientists knew about mayan calender and how they predicted events and so they did research. I read a good book called 2012 and scientist came up wit a list of what is the most likely chance of why the world will end in 2012, but the book also says maybe the world WONT end in 2012, its just a theory such as the big bang
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I've got this crazy ass theory.
Postmortem delusions.
It has been proven that the human brain holds a charge long after death. Cells grow and die long after you die.
With this known I thought... "If the human mind holds a charge, do this mean thought doesn't dissipate even though life functioning organ's have failed?"
What if, the theories we all have built up over time are active in our minds after we are clinically dead?
For instance... If you believe in a heaven filled with clouds, angels, e.t.c then your mind would produce these experiences for you.
Dissect at your leisure.
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The brain does still compute well after organ failure and I agree....If its been drilled into your head your whole life that when you die you see a bright light at the end of a tunnel. There's a pretty good chance that's the experience your imagination will construct for you when you finally check out.
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The brain does still compute well after organ failure and I agree....If its been drilled into your head your whole life that when you die you see a bright light at the end of a tunnel. There's a pretty good chance that's the experience your imagination will construct for you when you finally check out.
I agree with your theroy. I actually have been dead for something like 30 some seconds, and I didn't see no white light. I do remember hot though. Weird. Just kidding, but there is no white fucking light. That is bullshit.
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another religion thread sigh...
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Agreed religous debates are almost pointless. You most likely wont prove each others beleifs wrong. But whatever arguments are fun =] http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ Is a good movie on conspiracys and religion if your into that kind of stuff
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For me, it kind of pisses me off when i'll ask a co-worker of mine (he's jehova witness) and i said to him, "so, based on the teachings of the bible, only christians will go to heaven, that true?" He replied, "sure, that's what it says." So then i said "well what about people who are pretty much saintly, but aren't christian. You know, like Ghandi, or Mother Teressa, just because they don't practice the same branch of Christianity as you do, you can't really deny that they were good people who tried to help out everyone they could. But....they're still going to hell?" He said, "yup."
Yeah, I don't understand that either.
And Hell, that is fucking crazy.
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When did you die Hell?
Seeing as no-one has ever been to Hell and talked about it, the prospect of going there really doesn't seem that scary. I mean, which funny guys made this stuff up in the first place anyways? I can just imagine if they were still alive today:
"Dude, dude, you'll never ghess what, you know that shit I made up about Hell lol. People have only gone and prayd to that God guy you made up for 1000's of years to avoid going there lol"
"No shit, from that book, what was it called now err 'The What's Right and Wrong Bibliography of Tales for kids'? damn dude, we should have brought out a dvd or something"
"No we agreed Bible was shorter and more catchy, anyway too late man, this guy called Mel Gibson beat us to it"
"Well that fucker should be paying us royalties"
"Well he would be if you'd remembered to sign it you idiot"
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I died 4 years ago. They were doing a procedure where they feed a cathode up into my heart which could send an electrical charge through the tip. They had to cauterize one of the pathways in my heart cause I had this weird ass heart condition called Wolf Parkensins White syndrome. (I know I fucked the spelling up). Anyway, the accidentally sent the electrical charge to the wrong part of my heart and BAM, I am dead. They had to use the paddles on me to jump start my heart. Once they brought me back to life, then they actually hit the right spot and fixed it. Fucking Army Doctors. LOL.
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"Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy?" Obama asked in the speech. "Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount?
Religion has no purpose in modern society, any person confused about moral values only has to ask their parents, friends or teacher for guidance. Now religion is just a life style or culture club for whoever finds themselves in a religious social arena(normally forced upon them by birth). Ultimately it would be awesome if an athiest gained presidency so the rest of the world can rest knowing some nut that believes in Santa claus, tooth fairies and God doesn't have the keys to nuclear bombs that could destroy us all. I'm amazed how politicians still have to confirm their allegiance to god in this day an age to gain votes.