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*MAFIA* => News => Topic started by: *MAFIA* Balthazar on April 17, 2007, 08:40:22 AM
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(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_vatech_cho_070417_sp.jpg)
This is a picture of Cho Seung-hui, a South Korean native who killed at least 33 people on April 16, 2007.
How is it a 23 y/o chink can do so much damage?
I have a theory. I am willing to bet that if you search his system you are going to find multiple FPS (First Person Shooter) games i.e. Counter-Strike, Battlefield, Quake. Also, it doesn't hurt that this guy looks like he was ridiculed on a daily basis. I live not too far from the area where the event took place and the amount of racism I suspect he endured was probably daily.
I wonder if he ever played on any of our servers? I would like to think we drove him to this point but we'll never know. :)
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this thing only happens because fire-weapons are allowed in the u.s.. Never heard about things like this in country's where you aint allowed to have fire-weapons. Of course this guys must have been insane, but making this much damage in his own...
Lets make this an open discussion...
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US people see it as their right to have a gun, and they are allowed there. Though, its not only the fact that guns are allowed. Look at Canada, they have over 7 million guns, but they only have a few death by guns every year.
I think its the American aditude if you ask me.
Plus the media makes everything big. All you see in the US are niggers that get arrested and stuff like this makes the Americans think that all niggers are bad.
This is the info that I remember from an old documentairy that I saw a couple of months ago. I do not know how old it was though, but I think most of it is still true today.
Damn Americans.
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I blame T.v. and rap music for many of these deaths where they practically idolize Gangs saying shit like "gangs will make you look cool" almost like smoking cig's all over again this guy does not look like he falls into these categories but rather just a person on the edge of breaking and something drove him over the line.Guns do NOT kill people the people that handle them do.I have shot guns MANY times all different types from a 22 handgun up to a fully automatic ak and NEVER did the gun i was in control of jump out of my hands and shoot the person next to me.I think if you Want to buy a gun you should be able to buy a gun rather it be for protection or game.Thats why statements like this
this thing only happens because fire-weapons are allowed in the u.s.. Never heard about things like this in country's where you aint allowed to have fire-weapons
push on a nerve with me if the countries your talking about WERE ALLOWED to have guns,deaths would be significantly increased.I see what you are saying that and know what you are trying to say but if we were not allowed to have guns how would we protect ourselves from those that already do?I dont mean to sound like a dick and im sorry if i do,just caught a nerve.
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My guess is that he use to play Battlefield under the name "POP" - anyone remember him?
It was a sad day...people are out of control everywhere, it's not just 1 main reason, it is many different reasons which all lead to the same conclusion - people are sinful.
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I'm gonna blame this one on people's inability to really give a shit about our fellow man, and our inadequacy's in accepting other cultures. This is what it comes down to and has no discourse to the RIGHTS that we as citizens of the United States have. I'm sure it would be hard for Dutch to understand that one of the different rights anyone has is free will. This is an awful thing that has happened, but since the US is so culturally diverse and we are still getting used to it unlike the Netherlands that are predominately white and specialize in the production of illicit drugs like ecstasy, cannabis, and other deterring drugs, this is a thing that is going to continue to happen. The right to hold a gun is something that our fore-fathers have held and is a continued honor that everyone should be able to have.
Don't act like this is something that just happens in the US, look in the news and you will find murders, robberies, and all different types of injustice happening around the world. It all comes down to intolerance and people not caring. It's a sad thing but shut the fuck up about "Damn Americans" and stuff like that. I'm tired of it.
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Ha, ok so then why does America have over 11000 people killed every year by guns, and Canada almost has non?
I'm not saying its the guns, I'm saying its the attitude. I don't care if every American has an M4 carbine in his house or whatever he wants, but right now they are being manipulated WAY to much by the media. Thats what should change.
Wait till its one of your kids that gets shot because someone sees it as their right to own a gun 'because they grandfathers did too'.
Maby start doing something against the racism and gang stuff on tv. Cause rasism and guns do not go together
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I don't think his motives could be attributed to racism, from what I've seen on tv from the moarners, the college seems to have a large asian population. College can turn some peoples world up side down though, if they have problems making friends they can get decreasingly allienated from the general college population and go a little strange. There was one dude when I was in college who used to talk to himself in front of the monitor in workshops apparently he never left his dorm bedroom apart from when he had lectures. He ending up dropping out after a year when he was virtually insane. I'll try not to generalise but from my experience asian parents have very high standards and expect their kids to succeed at all costs and dropping out would never be an option for a kid like that. Two of my friends from high school at seperate colleges had people in their dorms commit suicide. So crazy students are common place in colleges and its clear this student was insane. Then again I'm only speculating as to his motives but if students over here had guns availabe to them like you do, I'm sure we'd have a few shootings of our own.
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I wasn't so much commenting on your post with the guns as I was about StimPH's post Boemann. I do think it's anyone's right to own a gun if they go through the LEGAL process of getting it, but otherwise I don't think it's right. It's a form of protection and goes with out history and militia.
I agree that something should be done about racism and how all of these different things are publicized, but I believe that if anyone feels they need a gun for protection they should be able to have it. Canada has a large number because if you think about it, they have a large population that hunts also. Look at some stats on gun-related deaths in the US compared to the rest of the world and you will see that it is higher, but there are still numbers to other countries that are fairly high. Check it: http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html
I do think that we have to look into who has these guns and not allow it, but I'm all for our right to hold.
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Ah, im not gonna type a lot of crap so flat out hes a gook, a minority. And i dont care if you snap or break or lose your cherry to the neighbors cat, no one that kills people are good. Anyone that is capable of murder no matter the reason is an evil person...
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Dont blame the US just cause we are better at everything than you... besides buttsex that is. i hear dutch are amazing at that.
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Canada has the same amount of guns that the US has and Canadians have there doors wide open.
So what on earth do you need to protect yourself from? Against you self?
EDIT: Sorry about editing your post Boemann... I meant to quote it and I guess I pressed the wrong button. I tried to put it back to the way it was. Sorry. :(
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So what on earth do you need to protect yourself from? Against you self?
lol u havent been to the states havent you..... there are plenty of people from whom you need to protect yourself. life is not a fairyland like your dutchland, if you leave your door opened here, say goodbye to your valuables if you are gone and leave your doors opened, people break into damn cars just to steal ipods, mp3 players, phones, the lamest things
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life is not a fairyland like your dutchland
How about life is not a Never Never Land like your Netherlands ;D
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So the world isn't made up of sunshine, pony's, and love? :( LOL
I would like to think the entire world is full of malicious individuals who are going to steal my shit if I leave it unchecked. I think Boe's scope of the world may be a bit narrow in terms of sociology but i've never been to the Netherlands so it could very well be free of crime. But, you do have to wonder... how is it free of crime? Could it be that in that area of the world what is considered illegal over here i.e. Harmful Narcotics, are legal over there?
You have to think of what would happen if the U.S. decided to one day legalize ever narcotic we have. Would the crime rate lower? Most likely because you wouldn't have drug fiends killing and stealing for another fix... The statistics of crime would drop to nothing. Does this make for a better society? I think not. Just because certain things are legalized by man doesn't make it right in my book. If crack in the united states was legal this doesn't mean that all of a sudden the quality of life rises along with it. You have the same amount of addicts and the same amount of crime.
You can say the same for Gun Control in the United States. You take away a mans firearm... he'll be less of an immediate danger, sure. Does this mean if another man, born in another part of the world, with the same problems is any less of a threat? I think not.
I am proud to be an American as i'm sure everyone else is proud of their own nationality as they should be.
I want to thank everybody for participating in this spirited discussion. Continue...
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We have crime. But come on, give me a fucking break. No offence, but are you stupid enough to believe that by giving everyone the ability to have a gun will make it safer? You can just go to wallmart and buy bullets. You can just buy a gun legally. That doesn't make it more secure, it only makes it worse. If everyone is able to buy a gun then EVERYone can do stuff like this.
If everyone has more guns it will only become more unsafe. I mean its all nice that you want a gun to protect your self, but make it hard to get them. Every 21 y/o can basicly buy a gun, and then schoot people at a school like what happened a few days ago.
If everyone is able to get a gun 'to protect themselfs' it will only become unsafer.
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lol not everyone is filled with a corrupted mind.
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lol not everyone is filled with a corrupted mind.
People are crazy beings.
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Have you ever been to Canada Boemann? I've been to Canada before and I can honestly say I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE'S DOOR WIDE OPEN THERE. People are not retarded. Hell don't bring up Canada again if you've never been there as well as slandering the US about how we are without looking up the facts or visiting here.
Besides the protection comes from gangs and other disturbances that happen here all over. Right now our police are pretty slow with their cutting down on these illegal activities, and people feel safer when they're packing a gun. The world isn't a pretty place. I guess we just need more drugs and stuff to make our nation comatose and not fight anymore. LET'S POP SOME PILLS!
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Have you ever been to Canada Boemann? Â I've been to Canada before and I can honestly say I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE'S DOOR WIDE OPEN THERE. Â People are not retarded. Â Hell don't bring up Canada again if you've never been there . Â
I think Boes talking about the interviews Michael Moore did with some Canadian residents in his documentary 'Bowling for Columbine'. Where some Canadians stated they have no worry of crime so feel safe leaving their doors open. Pretty interesting documentary if you haven't seen it yet.
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I think Boes talking about the interviews Michael Moore did with some Canadian residents in his documentary 'Bowling for Columbine'. Where some Canadians stated they have no worry of crime so feel safe leaving their doors open. Pretty interesting documentary if you haven't seen it yet.
Yep, I was about to ask someone who would know that
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Netherlands that are predominately white and specialize in the production of illicit drugs like ecstasy, cannabis, and other deterring drugs, this is a thing that is going to continue to happen.
Hell don't bring up Canada again if you've never been there as well as slandering the US about how we are without looking up the facts or visiting here.
So what are u doing there then...
for the discussion:
I think when guns are pretty easy to get, and many people have one, people will earlier kill someone in a fight then when they wouldnt have a gun. At this point i shouldn't say forbid all the weapons becasue there would be too much people who have one and how can u protect urself for them. But a community without guns, and only the forces with the rights like security police and others, is allot safer and less bloody.
This all is not about the US but about every country where gund are easy to get.
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All I know is that in countries that do not allow their citizens to possess guns , non-voilent crimes have gone up 10 fold in the last 5 years. That is including the Netherlands. In these places a criminal knows he can come in your house and rob you and not get shot. At least in America before someone breaks into a house they have to wonder does that person have a gun. For me I like the idea of someone not coming in my house when I'm sleeping. So yes in America we do have more Voilent in crimes. In the Netherlands per Capita you have more non-Voilnet crimes. So which is better. Either place is not perfect. One other thing if a criminal in any country wants a gun he's going to get it, then what are you going to do.
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true, it's pretty easy to get a hold of a gun. even if they would ban firearms for people, people would find a way of getting them, like from crime organizations, online stores, etc
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?GT1=9246 Hmmm moe pics of the gunman and something that rambles on.
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The point everyone misses here:
A ban on firearms only hurts the law abiding citizens, the criminals will always have guns
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this thing only happens because fire-weapons are allowed in the u.s.. Never heard about things like this in country's where you aint allowed to have fire-weapons.
There are 3 things that make up the world. Lawyers, guns, and money. let that be a lesson to ya stimphy.
Of course this guys must have been insane, but making this much damage in his own...
Lets make this an open discussion...
who knew a korean can kill so many ppl? time to get the ol' shotgun for the korean kid in my class.........
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Look this is very interesting too see the ideals on gun control. But the main reason that I see for gun control is for security. Our constitution was written #1 for freedom of speech and #2 for guns! The reason it was placed so high in our constitution is so that people can protect themselves from the govt. Bottom line! Gun control has nothing to do with protecting yourself from your neighbor. Actually there was just an incident here in the US. It didn't gain much publicity because of the huge civil rights violations. IE Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. The Govt. ie Military and Police went in and confisciated all firearms and removed people from their homes for what was called safety. I'm truly sorry about the inicent people that have been killed, but US citicens have seen the power of the Govt. and we want to be free from it. When the English military came in and basically invaded the homes of US citizens looking for food and weapons to support the war efforts we decided that this would never happen again. SO it was written into law that we need the right to possess weapons. Lets be realistic here. If we were in another country, say the middle east he would have used explosives and blown everyone up. By the way that happened here. Yeah the uni-bomber, Ted Kaczynski.
Balth I don't think legalizing illecit drugs would reduce the crime rate. I am pretty sure it would increase over a period of time. 1. because the people that actually follow the laws wound now venture into testing. 2. The addiction rate on some of these drugs is so high ie Meth and Heroin that you would have even more people dependent on them. Eventually they would need money to finance their habbit and there would be more addicts looking to find money for their fix.
But I guess we can be like the Dutch and live under complete Govt. control and let them take care of us and be life long parents.
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I like having my guns, to protect my life, my kids life, liberty, and to get deer chops :D
Sorry to say lightning, but ur the biggest pawn of the govt ;) be a good little trooper and do as uncle sam says :D lol
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I think the government went into conferscate firearms, cos they knew that a bunch of Niggas's in "New Orleons" with nothing left but their black hides would instinctively go round robbing folk and each other especially if they had firearms. Also they wern't receiving any adequate aid for so long. Removing people from their houses was for their safety though the place was floodin. However after being "rescued" from what I've heard the places they stayed in, were like delapitated stadiums that leaked and took on an instant prison culture within, where some Niggas owned the food n stuff and some unfortunate Fuckas had to beg.
Back to guns. I've gone shootin with my uncle occasionally, and its fun to shoot stuff in the wild. If we didn't have guns in Yorkshire, we would lose a distinct sense of identity of who and where we are. Battery farmed birds taste like shite most the time because they've never flown before and their meat is kinda flavourless and saggy (send em to KFC) whereas wild birds you can roast and enjoy fully. Its good to be able to shoot something in the wild and know where its come from rather than buy some bubble pack of meat in a store.
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All I know is that in countries that do not allow their citizens to possess guns , non-voilent crimes have gone up 10 fold in the last 5 years. That is including the Netherlands. In these places a criminal knows he can come in your house and rob you and  not get shot. At least in America before someone breaks into a house they have to wonder does that person have a gun. For me I like the idea of someone not coming in my house when I'm sleeping. So yes in America we do have more Voilent in crimes. In the Netherlands per Capita you have more non-Voilnet crimes. So which is better. Either place is not perfect.  One other thing if a criminal in any country wants a gun he's going to get it, then what are you going to do.
Thats weird, cause I just had to do a presentation yesterday about how many crime there was in the NL and it clearly showed that the amound of break ins have dropped like 50% and voilent crimes, like threatening, have increased a bit. I'll see if I can upload a picture of that when I'm back from school
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Any govt wants you to think crime has dropped lol!!!! when in fact it goes up every day all year round. This sorry ass world gets worse every day, why? because man runs it... and his love of money.
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Kim Jong-il 4 president!
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So yes in America we do have more Voilent in crimes. In the Netherlands per Capita you have more non-Voilnet crimes. So which is better. Either place is not perfect.
I would say non-voilent, better 11000 houses where somebodey breaks in then 11000 people who got killed by a gun. Im not telling the guns in the U.S. should be forbidden, the only thing im trying to say is that there would be less victims when guns would be forbidden.
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If someone wants to kill someone a gun wont matter.
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If someone wants to kill someone a gun wont matter.
/\ EXACTLY! The same exact idea is behind break ins,no matter how many locks if they want something bad enough they WILL get to it and take it.
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I hardly think this student could of got away with killing 33 people face to face with simply a knife.
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Oh, not just a knife, he probly would bring explosives into the picture... would that be better?
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Would you know how to rig explosives? I wouldn't, and I doubt he could.
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Would you know how to rig explosives? I wouldn't, and I doubt he could.
Look around online for a few hours and you can find ANYTHING from how to build a compound of hazardous material to how to build a bomb i think this is why terrorists acts are becoming more frequent, because they have easier access on how to make or do certain things.
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hell even get a few nades and then he would have gotten some more kills
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Even in my sience book is explained how to make semtex and tnt,, :) what more do you need lol
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Thermite all the way!
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Yeah look at all those un-educated middle easterns they cant blow themselves up! Just think what an educatd Asian can do. You know they created this computer thing you typing on, ohh and every other electronic gadget out there. They don't know anything. You dont think if he blew himself up in the middle of a rally or sporting event that he wouldn't kill more than 33 poeple.
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Sure he could of gone in there and blew himself up but how would he have KNOWN he'd managed to kill so many people. The Killings were methodical as if he was going for a maximum kill count. Also this isn't the classic suicide martyre killing its not like he thought Allah would take him in when he was done. It may have only been when the gravity of his prediciment hit home he decided to shoot himself in the head.
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.And Fuck Canada.
Amen to that!
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An other shooting at NASA things time, woot way to go America!
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An other shooting at NASA things time, woot way to go America!
2 people died ONE.......TWO, i know two people die in other places OTHER than the u.s. Murder suicides happen all the time this one just happened in a public place and right after the virginia tech massacre so it got attention and publicity.I figured this would come and bite us in the ass on this thread
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Here guys, take a look at these:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-murder-rates.html
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
Maybe the U.S. just has the highest publicised murder/crime since our media displays it so well.
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Here guys, take a look at these:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-murder-rates.html
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
Maybe the U.S. just has the highest publicised murder/crime since our media displays it so well.
and a woot for beetle
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Yeah look at all those un-educated middle easterns they cant blow themselves up! Â Just think what an educatd Asian can do. Â You know they created this computer thing you typing on, ohh and every other electronic gadget out there. Â They don't know anything. Â You dont think if he blew himself up in the middle of a rally or sporting event that he wouldn't kill more than 33 poeple.
America invented the computer.
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right to own a gun if they go through the LEGAL process of getting it, but otherwise I don't think it's right. It's a form of protection and goes with out history and militia.
you can legally own a giant water-cooled .50 caliber machine gun, or a WWII .55 anti-tank rifle...that isn't a form of protection. People use it for recreation too, just because it's legal to own it doesn't mean it's necessarily a means of protecting themselves.
Maybe owning a pistol if you're a body guard or something, but people really don't need guns to protect themselves. They just like them, purchase a lot of them, and some go crazy and kill lots of people.
Sure it's a protected right, but it doesn't mean it's necessary to protect yourself from the world.
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Damn right wasser.
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Maybe owning a pistol if you're a body guard or something, but people really don't need guns to protect themselves. They just like them, purchase a lot of them, and some go crazy and kill lots of people.
Sure it's a protected right, but it doesn't mean it's necessary to protect yourself from the world.
I didn't say it's only purpose was a form of protection, did I? I just gave in instance in which one would inquire to own a gun.
I know that my uncle and many other people have semi-automatic guns and other things as showcase items. I think the main focus should be put on people's psychological health and a better improvement on deterring that before we look at the substance for which they use to kill people. Hell maybe if someone could have gone and put him into counseling AND MADE SURE HE WENT or something, then maybe this whole thing could have been prevented.
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I didn't say it's only purpose was a form of protection, did I?
nope, and neither did I. But that's people's main excuse for buying some crazy over the top weapon, like buying an SAW machine gun or something. People would say why do you have that, "oh you know, protection." Or, why do you have that .50 caliber hand gun? "you know, protection."
I'm just saying people go over board all the time when they buy firearms, most say it's for protection but you honestly don't need that kind of stuff unless you're being attacked by a mob or something.
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America invented the computer.
Well I was kinda talking about today, not the past. The latest technology seems to be coming from Asian countries. Maybe its cheap labor! But really the Americans? I don't know help me out..."Many consider Englishman Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine back in 1837 to be the first computer."
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Ha nice one Lightning. Â But does it really matter who invented the computer? Â The internet is what is more important, and we all know who invented that - Al Gore. Â Yeah I know, with a compuer the internet wouldn't exist, so the computer is more important, but still, I don't know how much I'd use my computer if I didn't have internet.
Virginia Tech anyone?
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Well I was kinda talking about today, not the past. Â The latest technology seems to be coming from Asian countries. Â Maybe its cheap labor! Â But really the Americans? Â I don't know help me out..."Many consider Englishman Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine back in 1837 to be the first computer." Â
I consider this as the first pc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
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An other shooting at NASA things time, woot way to go America!
Hey Boemann, chalk one up for the Germans:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/11/germany.school.shooting/index.html
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Hey Boemann, chalk one up for the Germans:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/11/germany.school.shooting/index.html
I mean, do you honestly remember what everyone has ever wrote and where they wrote it on these forums? For fucks sake. I know there is a search button, but damn man.
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No, not really. But I do remember Boemann going on and on about how school shootings only happen in the U.S. I knew it was only a matter of time before the Europeans got involved. Plus I love Balthazar's intro to this thread and wanted to bring it back for the new guys to view.