If i could i would vote no on 8. I just see people voting yes on 8 as those who's only defense is 'god said.......... .' which is stupid,
I really cant believe in people these days. I am a Christian and do not believe in the marriage between two people of the same sex. Im totally fine with Civil Unions however, but the use of the word marriage is the difference for me. Marriage is a religious word that can only mean the marriage of a man and a woman. Now if they were fighting for Civil Unions, I would not have a problem supporting their efforts.
Kinda proving my point?
No not really. When reffering to the word marriage you need to take different perspectives. I did not say that it would be bad to have Civil Unions, but the word marriage refers the the marriage between two people UNDER a certain religion. Since it is against the Christian religion's beliefs it therefore cannot be considered a civil right. Get it yet?
Ditto.
If i could i would vote no on 8. I just see people voting yes on 8 as those who's only defense is 'god said.......... .' which is stupid, i could care less if there are people out there that like other dudes nasty ass's, as long as they are happy and not trying to get me to slob on there knob,im fine with them being gay.
There's already a pretty important rule we have called separation of church and state, so regardless of what your religion or your god says should or should not be done, your argument is void. Laws cannot be based on religious doctrine, so give equal rights or gtfo.
So that still gives the right to the churches to reject the marriage if they please.that's called discrimination .
HA HA I love it when church going people get their knickers in a twist over gay people. Grow the fuck up, they are everywhere. Shit... Ransom and Outllaw have never even dipped their pecker in a woman. This stuff really annoys you does'nt it LOL. Fly over the pond and I'll hook you up fellas.
The thing that annoys me is people like you pressing your beliefs on things that you dont need to.I guess i am in the same boat as dune here so i figure i'll reply to this one. Although I don't agree with the christian ways,I dont try to start ''Pressing'' my beliefs onto those who do believe in another religion. I have been raised as a Roman Catholic and have switched to a belief known as agnosticism, the certain degree of this to which i believe would label me as a pragmatic agnostic,
The only valid dispute would be like I said before; gay marriage is morally wrong. We all know this because marriage is defined between a man and a woman. We also know that morals are a vague part of government law so they are almost meaningless. Hope people catch the drift on that.uummmmmm ok.
I won't be surprised when people fight for the right to marry their animals or objects.People have already married goats and cows so meh no suprise there.
The only valid dispute would be like I said before; gay marriage is morally wrong. We all know this because marriage is defined between a man and a woman. We also know that morals are a vague part of government law so they are almost meaningless. Hope people catch the drift on that.
But anyways, It's going to be something to watch when the government starts altering peoples' beliefs. Churches will start closing, maybe some riots, and school related violence on gays and others will probably increase.
1. Children in public schools will have to be taught that same-sex marriage is just as good as traditional marriage.
I also don't want the schools teaching my children something I don't agree with.
2.Churches may be sued over their tax exempt status if they refuse to allow same-sex marriage ceremonies.HUH? They can now sue people for discrimination and refusal of services based on someone's sexual orientation? I HAD NO IDEA!
3. Ministers who preach against same-sex marriages may be sued for hate speech and risk government fines.
More state control of what the church has to say!
Bottom line is you can't legislate morality. It is a matter of your heart and your juxtaposition with God. Like it or not, believe it or not..we struggle with morality because we were born with an innate sense of morality. We are unable to make ourselves behave properly so we try and try to force it upon ourselves and others. It is impossible. Once your position with God is sealed then will you begin to notice your immorality more..and sin-less. We are never sinless or perfect..but we being transformed everyday by the renewing of our minds. Want to know how to seal your position? Just ask me.How do I seal my position?
How do I seal my position?
Want to know how to seal your position? Just ask me.
I take it has something to do with giving my money to the church so they can rape little boys and worshiping a hypocritical god.....close??
We are separated from God because he is perfectly holy and we are not.And look where that got him......dead.
The true definition of religion is to take care of the widows and orphans.
Church is a place for you to worship and acknowledge God in your life. All the ritual, pomp and circumstance, and activities are not salvific efforts.
Hell as it is there are what seems like a million churches in my town anyway......im voting to close them down and open food-4-less's (our name says it, our prices prove it!!!!1!, Food 4 Less!!!!21@#!11).
Pick up your Bible...or get one if you don't own one..and read about freedom in Christ. Especially Romans.
The thing that annoys me is people like you pressing your beliefs on things that you dont need to. Believe what you want.I don't press my beliefs on anything I just speak MY mind. I would in no way get a kick out of converting people to a certain way of thinking. I was raised Roman Catholic but when I got to a certain age I couldn't help laughing in church because the priests would preach so sincerely about stuff that seemed totally obsurd and irrelevant to my world. I tried my best to be religious but I ghess I'm a natural skeptic and an asshole in the eyes of the church particularly when 4 of my best friends died in as many years I came to the conclusion that If there is a god he obviously doesn't give a crap about about my friends so I couldn't give a crap about him. Even If he does exist.
Here's the part I don't understand...b ible preaches acceptance, give to the poor, help the sick, blah blah...but then you classify homosexuality with murderers and rapists? Seem hypocritical or it just me?
10. I believe homosexuality is a sin as is lying, cheating, stealing, murder, adultery, and others...all the same. So if Prop 8 wants to force the teaching of homosexuality and same sex marriage, I would oppose.
The big question to me is where are my kids going to end up. Because of my beliefs and my faith I want to raise my children to have the best chance they can of going to heaven, no matter what anyone says.
Like I have said many, many times before. Religion is just something to help motivate people to what is deemed "right". Without this false feeling of "hey when I die, if I have done right my whole life, I will go to heaven". The fact of the matter is, when you die, you fucking die. If you don't get cremated, then you will become word, and bug food. Get over it. There is no souls that magically leave your body after your heart and brain stop working. There is no fucking "white light at the end of the tunnel". It is all a bunch of bullshit! I was clinically dead, and I didn't feel no heat, so nothing with horns. I didn't see no bright fucking light. BULLSHIT!!!! But if you need to have these false hopes and thoughts, and that is what gets you through the day. MORE POWER TO YA!!! Life is to short for me to waste my time going to church and praying to someone/something that doesn't exist or fucking listen.
I understand that everyone needs a higher power, because man is to weak to the evil ways. Use something you can see, or feel, or talk too. That will be motivation enough. Then, when you ask a question, you will get an answer back. Not have to look at everything and wonder if that is the answer your God is giving you. Religion=waste of time. Someone pass me a beer!!!!!
Very nice MG indeed.I understand what you are saying. One thing that many of you may not know is, when I was younger, I did go to church and even was on the choir. Before the jokes come out, no I was never touched by a preist. Anyway, I lost my faith many years ago. From the shit I went through as a kid, and then the stuff I saw and went through as an adult. Also, I believe in letting my kids chose for themselves about their faith. Both of my kids go to church on Sundays, and even on Wednsday night bible study. I will not push my beliefs on them. If they want to beleive in God and all that, then that is fine. I don't speak about religion to them, I do ask them what they learn in church, what they did and how they feel about everything. I don't tell them my views. They will gather their own information and go from their.
Hellraiser and the others that have anti-god beliefs, if what you say is true then you have nothing to worry about. If its not then you will have to answer for your beliefs. The same goes for me. IF when I die, there is no after life, then my faith was for not. But if my faith is true to me then I will be right where I want to be. The big question to me is where are my kids going to end up. Because of my beliefs and my faith I want to raise my children to have the best chance they can of going to heaven, no matter what anyone says. I'm not against gays or lesbians. I just believe that its simply a sin and I don't want the state pushing beliefs that I believe are sin on me or my children. I would gladly go to hell to make sure both my kids go to heaven. Bottom Line!
Here's the part I don't understand...b ible preaches acceptance, give to the poor, help the sick, blah blah...but then you classify homosexuality with murderers and rapists? Seem hypocritical or it just me?
And, according to the bible, if any of those people in the sin category defined by you (lying, cheating, stealing, murder, adultery, homosexuality) were to "repent their sins" and confess to jesus, aren't they forgiven? Or is that just catholics who believe that?
Oh, and here's a pointer...IF you are trying to let others know that your religion is the right way and you want them to also believe in God like you do, DON'T tell them the things they believe in right now will send them to hell. It's kind of a put off, it's like telling someone "Ya join the army, it's way fun! Oh, but you might die." See my point?
Wasser..You are great! I can always count on your for a well-thought out debate. Are you Jewish? Just asking.Haha, right back at you, I like to be more informed on the subject. No I don't practice Judaism, I myself am agnostic, but my grandmother is Jewish and quite a few relatives are. Two of my mom's cousins, who moved to San Fran when they immigrated (go figure) are also homosexual, which is why I'm pretty involved when it comes to this subject.
5. Finally, in scripture Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. NO one comes to the Father (meaning God), except through Me." So, yes..I believe that unless you accept God's provision in Jesus Christ, you will not go to Heaven. Harsh? Difficult? Indeed. But it is the Truth.
IF you read this entire passage ..then you deserve a big huge KISS. :-*
LOVE YA!
HOLY SHIT!?!!!11 Schools telling our children that union between gays has the same value as union between heterosexuals?! WTF is with all this equality and equal rights and shit?! No seriously though, that really offends you?You are honestly telling me that when you are putting your children into a public school you want them to learn that homosexuality is accepted and that your little 7 year old, Bert, can have sex with his best buddy, Ernie, and he wont be looked down upon? And don't give me the bullshit answer "They don't teach that kind of stuff in schools." You know the source I learned the from most in school? From my FRIENDS. They teach you more than any fucking school ever could. So if you honestly believe that you wouldn't care that your son or daughter could, and by the looks of it most likely would, be gay in the future doesn't bother you? Bullshit.
HUH? They can now sue people for discrimination and refusal of services based on someone's sexual orientation? I HAD NO IDEA!
LOL, I hate it when I get sued for teaching an audience of followers that gays are a lesser people.
If they were then there would be homosexual animals, so prove me wrong.
Okay.Even so, you cannot compare that to human behavior. Birds can't get aids from fucking birds. So you are telling me that you believe that someone can be BORN (straight out of the womb) a homosexual? Hah
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
lol
Even so, you cannot compare that to human behavior. Birds can't get aids from fucking birds. So you are telling me that you believe that someone can be BORN (straight out of the womb) a homosexual? HahI think you're assuming, I didn't say any of that. All I did was prove you wrong about homosexuality not existing in nature, and only in humans.
You are honestly telling me that when you are putting your children into a public school you want them to learn that homosexuality is accepted
Arguments shot down by facts, don't believe everything you hear. Of course she would argue that, she is probably a dike bitch herself.
I must have missed this part of your post.
None of that is true. The whole "teach children in the second grade about homosexuality" was made-up, and that was debunked a while ago by the california school board president Jack OConnell.
"She argues that Proposition 8's defeat will have no affect on education — a message that's been echoed by Jack O'Connell, California's superintendent of schools."
Yay for lies, paied for by the Yes on 8 crew!
Arguments shot down by facts, don't believe everything you hear. Of course she would argue that, she is probably a dike bitch herself.Are you kidding me? Don't believe everything you hear? Nowhere in the prop. 8 legislation does it say "we will teach gayness in schools to 6 year olds."
Are you kidding me? Don't believe everything you hear? Nowhere in the prop. 8 legislation does it say "we will teach gayness in schools to 6 year olds."God damn you are ignorant. I never said anything about teachers teaching children that it is ok to be a cock sucker. READ my first post in this subject, what I said was that when something like this proposition passes, SOCIETY accepts it. And when SOCIETY accepts something it does it taught to the youth, not by teachers, but by SOCIETY. Get it? Who did you learn about sex from? If I'm guessing correct, you were like me and you learned about stuff like that from your friends, or TV, correct? So Maybe you should start thinking a LOT more broad about subjects, and not just take in all the bullshit the media throws into your ear. You have a fucking brain for a reason, its there so you can think for YOURSELF.
YOU definitely need to get your facts right. Argument shot down by facts? Seriously man, trying READING something. The President of the California School Board PROVED that was never going to happen, and the "YES ON 8" people had to subsequently pull their advertising campaign that claimed "no on prop. 8 would teach homosexuality is an acceptable thing to 2nd graders."
It had nothing to do with schooling, here's the actual proposition 8 legal document, no bias at all, this is what it says.
http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/title-sum/prop8-title-sum.htm
Christ cakes, sometimes people just don't bother looking into what they are they're talking about.
God damn you are ignorant. I never said anything about teachers teaching children that it is ok to be a cock sucker.Oh, you mean like right here?
You are honestly telling me that when you are putting your children into a public school you want them to learn that homosexuality is accepted and that your little 7 year old, Bert, can have sex with his best buddy, Ernie, and he wont be looked down upon?Smooth.