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Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Billy Rubin on September 02, 2005, 06:24:54 PM
Well, I've been glued to CNN (your hurricane headquarters) since I heard about it, what a devastating mess. I guess maybe the Tragically Hip were on to something.
Anyways, I hope all of you are ok, I don't think we have any members from that particular area, but was anyone close? Daddy? Told you all to move to Canada ;)
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Rat on September 02, 2005, 07:02:57 PM
I'm not in the area, but I've been working in a Emergency Coordination call center after work. In fact I'll be going in at midnight.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Dealer on September 02, 2005, 07:07:37 PM
My mom was called down to Beluxi or something like that being in an emergency responce relief thingy...hope she's doing ok.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: g00deye on September 02, 2005, 08:38:01 PM
The hurricane passed over me while it was a Tropical Storm, so  I guess Im lucky?
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Phantom on September 03, 2005, 12:05:51 AM
Sucks for all those people, and even now on tv all I see is a bunch of black people looting on the streets now. They always show the black people doing the crimes...
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on September 03, 2005, 12:10:37 AM
I wish I was in charge I would declare marshal law and shot any looter seen :) Yes billy I did get some of it we hade a few really nasty storms from it and a few set some twisters down but I was lucky to not have been hit by any of them.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: g00deye on September 03, 2005, 12:22:16 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Phantom
Sucks for all those people, and even now on tv all I see is a bunch of black people looting on the streets now. They always show the black people doing the crimes...



On the yahoo news, when it reffered to the black man, it said he was, "looting."
when they reffered to the white man, they said he, "found" food.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Billy Rubin on September 03, 2005, 04:16:05 AM
So what exactly do you do at an emergency co-ordination center Rat Man? I assume you aren't dealing with the poeple in New Orleans.
I heard a nurse call in from one of the hospitals in N.O. the other day saying they have had no running water since the hurricane, and no power, they had patients sitting in their own feces because they have no way to wash them up, and they have had to start IVs on some of the nurses to keep them hydrated...I couldn't imagine. These people are going to require long term therapy.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Rat on September 03, 2005, 08:19:45 AM
I suppose I should clarify that. I'm in the Navy at  our Personnel Command. We have a number you may have seen on CNN that allows Navy members and families to call to try and help find out information about sailors or their family members and also find out what they need to do if they evacuated and where they can get help. Theres more to it but that's it in a nutshell.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 03, 2005, 08:35:24 AM
Im in College Station, Tx. We have over 200 people here in one of the relief centers here. Texas A&M I believe has taken in 17 students so far from McNeese State. Our athletic director has said that the Saints could play at our stadium if they needed to. They had to stop taking people to the astrodome so they are taking them to the Alamodome in San Antonio.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 03, 2005, 10:22:03 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* g00deye
On the yahoo news, when it reffered to the black man, it said he was, "looting."
when they reffered to the white man, they said he, "found" food.



well if you saw correctly, the nigs were running through the streets, breaking windows, and litteraly looting stuff... and the white people were looking through peoples trash for food.  Now the few black women who went in there, and got things like diapers, and healthy food just to survive, I can understand that.  But the majority of those fucking niggers were taking CD players, and TV's, and CD's, stuff totally irrelivent to their survival.


I'm not racist against black people... I'm racist against ignorence... and since 99.9% of black people are ignorent, they're fucking niggers.


Personally... all those stupid people who stayed, don't really DESERVE the medical help and treatment they are getting.  Not only were they stubborn and ignorent not to leave, but they also are shooting eachother, shooting rescue workers, shooting helicopters, and shooting buses.  They now have a shoot-to-kill order on that type of stuff, but god damn.  The chant in the street of WE WANT HELP NOW!, was rediculous.  It's like, chill, we didn't expect you all to stay you dumb fucks... we're working on it.  Also, what type of mothers are all of them, to stay through a storm, with their newborn baby.  I mean, WOW.


I DO, however sympathize, with the people who were smart enough to leave and save themselves, and the medical rescue costs and efforts.  Even though they "shouldn't have built homes there", it's unavoidable anywhere you go.  If it's not hurricanes, it'll be earthquakes, or tornadoes, or tsunami's, or mass flooding.  The only place I really think that theoretically can not have a huge natural disaster is Oregon.  No major expected 10.0 earthquakes, no tornadoes, no nothing to wipe out an area.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Phantom on September 03, 2005, 11:43:22 AM
I'm gonna have to be honest, if I was in New Orleans I would be stealing too...think of all that expensive shit you would find in the the wreckage! Woohoo. I bet you some of those black people on tv weren't really black, they were just white people that fell in mud. haha
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on September 03, 2005, 12:27:50 PM
Your not safe anywhere the weather is going to hell and soon everyone will feel it I wouldn't be suprised if canada gets a hurricane. The weather will get worse by the day untill we have deserts in canada and frozen plains in the tropics.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 03, 2005, 12:28:17 PM
ROFFLECOPTOR!!
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Billy Rubin on September 03, 2005, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN

Personally... all those stupid people who stayed, don't really DESERVE the medical help and treatment they are getting.  Not only were they stubborn and ignorent not to leave, but they also are shooting eachother, shooting rescue workers, shooting helicopters, and shooting buses.  They now have a shoot-to-kill order on that type of stuff, but god damn.  The chant in the street of WE WANT HELP NOW!, was rediculous.  It's like, chill, we didn't expect you all to stay you dumb fucks... we're working on it.  Also, what type of mothers are all of them, to stay through a storm, with their newborn baby.  I mean, WOW.


I disagree. Alot of those people who stayed, had to stay because they couldn't afford to leave, or else they had no where else to go! Some of it could be related to ignorance, I mean they said they had been told to evacuate before, and the storm turned out to be no big deal. However, whether they chose to stay or they had to stay, they still deserve help!
And yes, it is unfortunate that there are people who take advantage of these situations and cause more grief to others who are already in pain, but I wanna know, when the whole city gets evacuated, what are they gonna do with the stereo system they just stole from the electronics store? They can't take it with them, I don't see how it benefits them at all.

Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
    Your not safe anywhere the weather is going to hell and soon everyone will feel it I wouldn't be suprised if canada gets a hurricane. The weather will get worse by the day untill we have deserts in canada and frozen plains in the tropics.


I agree with you, Canada's weather has already become odd. Our summer started late, and is pretty much over now, we had maybe 4 really nice days...AND we never got to go tubing down the river...it was either too high or the weather was too shitty. Stupid mother nature ;)
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 03, 2005, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Billy Rubin
I disagree. Alot of those people who stayed, had to stay because they couldn't afford to leave, or else they had no where else to go! Some of it could be related to ignorance, I mean they said they had been told to evacuate before, and the storm turned out to be no big deal. However, whether they chose to stay or they had to stay, they still deserve help!
And yes, it is unfortunate that there are people who take advantage of these situations and cause more grief to others who are already in pain, but I wanna know, when the whole city gets evacuated, what are they gonna do with the stereo system they just stole from the electronics store? They can't take it with them, I don't see how it benefits them at all.



Oh yeah, I forgot to say that, all that looted stuff isn't going anywhere on those buses.  Some of the people who couldn't leave, went to the Superdome (sp?), and that was a good choice.  Wether traffic was too congested, they couldn't afford to leave, or they flat out didn't want to, that was a smart choice.  Now all the people who stayed in their homes are just flat out ignorent and I really have no sympathy for them.  They were warned.  Even if they had "no where else to go", you can still leave, stay in your car, relatives house, or seek help from some of the refugee camps already in place/homeless centers.  Sure it's not a nice fancy house, but they still could have left and gone somewhere.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on September 03, 2005, 03:36:09 PM
Weve ran outa gas, here in greensboro :(
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Spitz on September 03, 2005, 09:37:16 PM
anyone know of illwillpress.c om u should go there and listen to the story on how foamy tells it its a good overview of the situation.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Killed U Wit A on September 03, 2005, 09:55:51 PM
ok my time to talk. not all black people are as bad as you think. my dad found a pic of a group of black guys helping a 93 year old lady in a wheel chair. they were trying to flag down a truck to get he to safty. i'll see if i cant get it.

now for the bad side.yes most of the black people are looting. but theres one little problam. there all stuck in new orleans with there stuff because the only highway out is guarded with police day and night. so all the people with new cars, tvs, guns are all stuck in n.o. until the water recedes. and with all of the wrecage and thhe og these guns being stolen, the cops are gunna have to do a house by house search.

now for a story. this was on the news so some of you might already know this. 5 cops with shotguns were around a burning building when 4 black guys drove up in a green cadillac. the cops walked towards the car with shotguns raised. the caddy started driving in reverse and shots were exchanged. then about 8 brand new dodge ram 4 door pick-ups started chaseing the cadillac . out of each window of the pick-ups was an m-16 and mounted on the back were m2s, m249s, and m240 machine guns. the gunners were wareing civilin cloths with bullet proof vests.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: SeXyKiTtEn on September 04, 2005, 01:36:57 PM
It is crazy and all I can say is OMG.....Like billy said I hope u all are ok.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 05, 2005, 10:22:21 AM
Oh man, I cant believe that Kane West said that Bush doesn't care about black people. It's the black people shooting at the white medics trying to get the other black people out. That guy was so lame. I wish Mike Myers would have turned into Dr Evil and shot him with a "laser".
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2005, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Oh man, I cant believe that Kane West said that Bush doesn't care about black people. It's the black people shooting at the white medics trying to get the other black people out. That guy was so lame. I wish Mike Myers would have turned into Dr Evil and shot him with a "laser".



yeah no shit, did you see the look on mike meyers face, he was like WTF are you doing!?  I want to start a kanyewestisani gger.com website.  He constantly says that he's not racist and hates racism, yet he says the white man is the devil in his songs, constantly makes racial remarks against "white dominant america" and is clearly racist towards us.  Thats fucking rediculous.  See like I said... there are black people
(just the same as white people), then there are niggers.  And, like a bunch of you know, one of my best friends is black, I'm not exactly racist, just prejudist towards ignorence, and 99% of the black community is completely ignorent.


I saw a ton of interviews of black people on the streets explaining how they couldn't get out of the city... their reasons were because it costed $2,000 for all the planeflights out, and that that wasn't possible... and it was completely unfair.  Apparently, just because they dropped out of highschool, don't have jobs and live on welfare or relatives help, they should get planeflights out too, just like all the hard working white people who contribute to the community...  Now you have to FUCKING WORK, to make money, and have that luxury.  Most of them didn't even realize, that you didn't have to take a plane!  It's $7.50 a person to get out of state on a public bus!  You can hitch hike your way out!  Drive and sleep in your car if you have to!  It's better to save your car, sleep in it, and be out of there, then to spend hundreds of dollars to rescue your fucking ass off a roof, and have your car and all your possesions gone too.  They are just sooooo retarded.

Also, have you seen that clip of this yelling black guy who's standing in the streets, yelling "All these people are dieing right here, and it's your fault" *points to the camera*.  How is it our fault, that a natural disaster came by... and you weren't smart enough to leave... because you wouldn't leave unless you got a first class ticket like a 57 year old white guy who worked 17 hour days with donal trump?  They complained about aid not coming... yet all the aid that DID come, got the shit shot out of it.  The fucking niggers are screaming for aid, then shooting the trucks with aid for no reason.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Billy Rubin on September 05, 2005, 11:19:11 AM
I think this whole situation has turned into black vs. white bullshit. Everyone has a right to their own opinion (Kanye West and Celine Dion included). If something this devastating would have happened somewhere else with a lower black population, there would be no controversy because it would be the white people looting and the white people trying to save people. Its people, not color, and its more about  income status.
I don't think its black people that George Bush doesn't care about...once again its people. Selfish asshole cares about nothing but himself, money and power. I'm allowed to hate him, I didn't vote for him, AND I watched Ferinheit 911. I think he needs to take a step down, admit he's fucked up, then go search for Osama himself. Just my opinion ;)
P.S. Ice man you have sexy nipples :)
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 05, 2005, 01:20:54 PM
Well you have to think about its not just him making decisions up there. I dont get mad at stuff that happens becuase franky I dont think I would have been able to handle his job over the past few years. People think there is a definate answer to stopping all this stuff and there isnt. I think he is doing the best job he knows how to do. And if you look at him now compaired to how he did 6 yrs ago you can see what all this has done to the man. I dont agree with everything that has happend but I know that I  couldn't have done a better job of it. I think he is just trying to keep 9/11 from happening again. Sure there could have been better ways to do it, but still he tried to go to the source without bullshit. But obviously the best intentions don't turn out the way they were planned. If they had caught Bin Laden within the year and Sadam people would be viewing this whole thing differently.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2005, 02:56:16 PM
thanks billy!

President Bush... works hard, but it's things that our for his own benefit.  His FIRST major job, was running an oil company... FUNDED BY the Bin Laden family.  Do you know what happened to all of the money that the Bin Laden family had loaned and invested with him, he spent it, and didn't make a dime.  Not only, was the 9/11 attack over us aiding isreal and excluding their people from a great deal of it, but it very well could have been a *personal* attack on President Bush.  Saddam tried to assassinate Bush's father, so an extreme motive towards going into Iraq was to get the person who made a *personal* attack on his life.  In the preceding year to the invasion of Iraq... we knew that all of Iraq's surrounding countries had either bought plutonium or the technology to produce the plutonium for nuclear weapons, but we only "suspected" Iraq had them.  North Korea, has and we knew had ICBM nuclear weapons.  That really frightens me, because the 2 major targets for the west coast could either be Seattle or Las Angeles, the 2 biggest western ports for the united states.  The majority of Asian products shipped to the US come through our Seattle port, and think how many products that is.  Why didn't president Bush choose to target any of those *known* threats, when Iraq was only in question, not to mention, they didn't place an attack on us.  The original attacker of us, was al quida, and we never caught osama bin laden.  *Sure* Iraq is a training ground for them, but so is Pakistan, Iran, California in the US, and many other places, it doesn't directly relate.

During the tsunami for southeast asia, we were quick to respond.  Now with Katrina, everyone, but the United States government has been quick to respond.  We have aid offers of millions from countries we've helped in the past.  The Venezualian president Hugo Chavez, who allied with our enemy fidel castro, offered to start sending large amounts of oil to help with the energy and gas crisis we're having the day after.  Not to mention... fidel castro even offered to send 2-3 thousand qualified doctors to the US on a days notice!  Bush, still didn't do much amazingly, even though some of our enemies even responded with curteous offers of aid.  New news crews were there in a day that were not present there for the storm, why couldn't troops and many other governmental aid vehicles be sent?  I know this is quite hypocritical, but the fact that not large amounts of aid are still not there is starting to anger me about our government.  And also, I still do not agree with the nigs shooting at the aid trucks either.  Sure Bush is an asshole and taking his time on this, but if the aid is coming after so long, accept it with open arms!

And, I just found out that our wonderful president Bush actually asked the governor of Louisiana,  Kathleen Blanco, to sign over their national guard troops to him.  Bush, actually wanted, to take the government protectors who are aiding the victims of Katrina at the moment, away from their state to use elsewhere.  What, the fuck, is he thinking?
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 05, 2005, 03:26:53 PM
Why would Bush need to do that? They are HIS troops anyway...Im not trying to start a lot of political bs, but a lot of the stuff going around right now is just that...bs. He tried sending in medical personal and they were getting shot at. So he pulled them back to wait for more guardsmen. Could you try explaining that to THEIR families. Your son/daughter was shot trying to rescue people stranded in a US city by US citizens. There are a million sides to millions of stories. The reason Im taking this side I guess is becuase my mother works with a lady who's brother is from there. They fled to Austin and was talking about how people and gangs were going to stay and that they were going to try to take stuff over. I think they knew it was going to be devastating but I dont think they thought about our "people" shooting at medical staff and troops. And instead of throwing unarmed people in an obviously unsafe place to be the goverment had to set up a plan to secure the city. You can't just go in there guns blazing mowing down our own citizens either...that would have been an interesting sight...and can you imagine what would have happend after that? People just assume that there is a black and white RIGHT answer. I believe that they should have been A LOT more prepaired for this. At that, I think they were just trying to make sure that the situation wasnt going to get any more out of hand than it already was.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2005, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Why would Bush need to do that? They are HIS troops anyway...Im not trying to start a lot of political bs, but a lot of the stuff going around right now is just that...bs. He tried sending in medical personal and they were getting shot at. So he pulled them back to wait for more guardsmen. Could you try explaining that to THEIR families. Your son/daughter was shot trying to rescue people stranded in a US city by US citizens. There are a million sides to millions of stories. The reason Im taking this side I guess is becuase my mother works with a lady who's brother is from there. They fled to Austin and was talking about how people and gangs were going to stay and that they were going to try to take stuff over. I think they knew it was going to be devastating but I dont think they thought about our "people" shooting at medical staff and troops. And instead of throwing unarmed people in an obviously unsafe place to be the goverment had to set up a plan to secure the city. You can't just go in there guns blazing mowing down our own citizens either...that would have been an interesting sight...and can you imagine what would have happend after that? People just assume that there is a black and white RIGHT answer. I believe that they should have been A LOT more prepaired for this. At that, I think they were just trying to make sure that the situation wasnt going to get any more out of hand than it already was.



Prepared for what?  I mean, when they say something of this measure of disaster is going to occur, leave now or you WILL die, they expect everyone to leave.  Of course, they knew some people would stay, like maybe a few thousand, but 54,000!?  WHO could of planned for that.  I know they need aid, and it's bull that it took so long, and it's bull that the people starting shooting so they needed to pull out.  I was just dissing president Bush's late response of 5 days to get ANY amount of aid in there.  I mean, I was expecting aid for the expected 10,000 people to arrive within a day or two, but the 5 days was over-done.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Rat on September 05, 2005, 05:02:10 PM
All I can say is "Don't believe everything your hearing on television"
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 05, 2005, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Billy Rubin
I think this whole situation has turned into black vs. white bullshit. Everyone has a right to their own opinion (Kanye West and Celine Dion included). If something this devastating would have happened somewhere else with a lower black population, there would be no controversy because it would be the white people looting and the white people trying to save people. Its people, not color, and its more about  income status.
I don't think its black people that George Bush doesn't care about...once again its people. Selfish asshole cares about nothing but himself, money and power. I'm allowed to hate him, I didn't vote for him, AND I watched Ferinheit 911. I think he needs to take a step down, admit he's fucked up, then go search for Osama himself. Just my opinion ;)
P.S. Ice man you have sexy nipples :)


I dont know if this is has been mentioned  but im readingthis and I need to respond to this right away because I feel somone is horribly misinformed.  George Bush is a selfish asshole?  Do you know him? Do you even live in America?  No. Ferinheit 911 wasnt a documentary its a little somthing we call PROPOGANDA.  Bush has alot to deal with especially due to the fact America is the worlds most powerful country.  Now we are waging a war and its Bushes fault he didnt fix the leves in New Orleans .  Thats been scheduled to happen since before Clinton and it hasnt happened yet.  Bush's job isnt to say where the money goes thats congress's.  This post just sounds like an uneducated Bush Basher who is personally attacking another person, one she doesnt know.  Bush has made some mistakes granted but I stand by the fact going to war was justified.  I think that a person (Bush) can not be blamed for a natural disaster especially when New Orleans has been having water problems before the Clinton administration which have remained unfixed because the government simply has many more important things to spend the millions of dollars on.  And you say Bush doesnt care, you'd bet your ass he does because now he has all this shit thrown on his desk about it.  Now we are recieving forien aid which is good and some other countrys still blame Bush.  I think people need to stop blaming people and accecpt everything doesnt always go as planned and you need to work the problem and not point fingers untill after the problem is solved.  Im done ranting...
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 05, 2005, 05:08:32 PM
Also coordinating aid isnt the presidents job, the states Governor has control of the national guard so you can blame the governor for that aswell not bush.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Elliott Smith on September 05, 2005, 05:59:57 PM
Okay, so now that we've identified things as problems, what are any of you doing to solve them?
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 05, 2005, 06:23:17 PM
Treated...
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2005, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Okay, so now that we've identified things as problems, what are any of you doing to solve them?



See... theres this thing called government... and we, the people, of the united states of america... vote them into this thing called government... and they "represent" us and take care of it... so...  technically... WE, meaning you and me, shouldn't have to do shit... because all these problems should be taken care by the government.  And the only thing that I, personally can do, being 15 years old... is vote in the 2008 elections for a good, serious candidate.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 05, 2005, 07:29:16 PM
double treated....
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Elliott Smith on September 05, 2005, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
See... theres this thing called government... and we, the people, of the united states of america... vote them into this thing called government... and they "represent" us and take care of it... so...  technically... WE, meaning you and me, shouldn't have to do shit... because all these problems should be taken care by the government.  And the only thing that I, personally can do, being 15 years old... is vote in the 2008 elections for a good, serious candidate.


Well, your age really only matters for this reason: you don't have a clear concept of how a government and its representees relate to one another, but being only fifteen, you've got tons of time to learn.  And you're right about one thing - you don't HAVE to do anything.  My point is merely that you should.  You can donate money.  Or novels, or clothes or blankets or other necessities the victims of Katrina, whom you hold to be of utmost importance, lack.  But you'd rather not.  I understand.  Carry on, Mister 15.  Just don't patronize me anymore.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2005, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Well, your age really only matters for this reason: you don't have a clear concept of how a government and its representees relate to one another, but being only fifteen, you've got tons of time to learn.  And you're right about one thing - you don't HAVE to do anything.  My point is merely that you should.  You can donate money.  Or novels, or clothes or blankets or other necessities the victims of Katrina, whom you hold to be of utmost importance, lack.  But you'd rather not.  I understand.  Carry on, Mister 15.  Just don't patronize me anymore.



you too, and clearly we don't know eachother... because I literally can't afford to donate anything.

I know how government works, and I know how it all goes.  I happen to have some intelligence despite my age group.  But, actions are hard to come upon when A. I'm 15 and no one takes me seriously despite the enlightening words that are thrown from my mouth... and B.  I'm poor as fuck and need some of that aid too. :)
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Elliott Smith on September 05, 2005, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
you too, and clearly we don't know eachother... because I literally can't afford to donate anything.

I know how government works, and I know how it all goes.  I happen to have some intelligence despite my age group.  But, actions are hard to come upon when A. I'm 15 and no one takes me seriously despite the enlightening words that are thrown from my mouth... and B.  I'm poor as fuck and need some of that aid too. :)


I listed material donations.  Surely with some creativity an aggravated and passionate kid like yourself could find some way to channel some of it.  Instead of donating your own assets, organize or join a relief effort.  Collect other people's money and send it to a reputable aid organization.  Collect other people's old books, blankets, clothes, etc.  I'm not merely asking you to stand up or shut up, but I'm responding to a general air of apathetic grievances addressed to others equally woebegone instead of those who unrelievedly attack problems and correct them.  At least you identify problems and are moved by them.  But you must act with consequence.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Billy Rubin on September 06, 2005, 11:36:48 AM
Oh snap! (hehehe). I'm not here to argue politics, that doesn't interest me at all as you can tell by my "uneducated, misinformed" opinions. I started this thread so we could discuss this natural disaster, because I wanted to hear how you all felt about it. I guess its pretty obvious that we all have different opinions, and express them in different ways, its just too bad we are once again heading in the direction of another mafia vs mafia thread.
My opinions have been expressed, so I'm walking away from this drama before it gets out of hand. *hugs*
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on September 06, 2005, 12:41:58 PM
I hope that all of you who voted for George Bush are happy with these gas prices and shortages.
Title: The Hip Called it years ago
Post by: Snake Pliskin on September 06, 2005, 01:01:04 PM
Awesome little diddy, hey and they are Canadian to.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Swifty on September 06, 2005, 03:20:06 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
I hope that all of you who voted for George Bush are happy with these gas prices and shortages.



Yes because its his fault a natural disaster caused damage to oil rigs and price gouging.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 06, 2005, 03:53:22 PM
Yeah the reason there is a sortage and becuase the gas prices have gone up is becuase the storm knocked out about 90-95 percent of the oil and natural gas rigs in the gulf. Bush has NO say as to what the gas and oil prices are. My Dad is a petrol engineer for Exxon USA, so I do know a little about whats going on. The reason the prices are going up is becuase now we have to get ships to travel further for crude oil....THEN is has to be refined into gasoline and such.  We are so dependent on oil from other countries that we can't afford to lose 90-95 percent of the gulfs oil drilling and keep up the supply. Im not saying any of you are wrong, yall just dont need to take views and sides based on the media. Actually if Bush would have done what he wanted, we'd be drilling in Alaska and having plenty of oil  but treehuggers killed that...
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Ins4n3 on September 06, 2005, 05:42:04 PM
I say we just let nature take it's course for a month or so to see who can survive, then send some mexicans in to clean it all up. Too many people in this country anyways, we were due for a good cleansing.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 06, 2005, 06:51:29 PM
I agree...build a big wall and make New Orleans the new Escape from LA
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Ins4n3 on September 06, 2005, 07:59:45 PM
Who needs a wall? shit just leave them there and they'll eventually die of disease or kill each other off.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Rahl on September 06, 2005, 08:10:16 PM
"Descent of Man" indeed.  Right on Charlie.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Ins4n3 on September 06, 2005, 08:45:45 PM
Shit man I feel bad more for the animals who were forced to stay by their deadbeat fucking owners rather than the ignorant people who stayed by their own free will.

Don't give me any of this shit about "some people had nowhere to go and no way to get out". Everyone had PLENTY of warning to do SOMETHING. If you have 2 feet and can still breathe, no legitimate reason to stay. The animals however had no choice, they didn't know what was going on until it hit and by the time that happened they were fucked.
Title: k
Post by: *MAFIA* Vanilla on September 06, 2005, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
I hope that all of you who voted for George Bush are happy with these gas prices and shortages.

those all would have went up anyway. supply and demand. people aren't stupid. it is cheaper in over in la then it is in al. i found that out today. one of my friends told me that it was like 256 over there and here it is lik 279. i thought that was funny.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on September 07, 2005, 04:21:04 AM
I just like making comments and getting reactions out of people.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 07, 2005, 08:02:54 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
I just like making comments and getting reactions out of people.



actually your comment was nearly 100% true.  When clinton was in office, it was at $.74 a gallon at the lowest here.  6 years later under Bush, and it's at $2.60 on average most places before the disaster.  It rose about 8 cents a month till it's finally started to peek off this last year.  The natural disaster only worsened the 5 years of raising prices.


And insane, not only did they not leave, but they survived the hurricane.  It took 9 hours for the city to flood.  Don't you think... if the streets are flooding... and you look outside... that you'd leave.  Apparently to all the fucking niggers who were there, it was stay where you are and watch it rise till you need to get on your roof and waste our tax payer money so they can ride in a helicopter.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ThaSnyper on September 07, 2005, 08:57:47 PM
Iceman, I dont want to be rude, but you seriously need to get the facts. The president has no say over the cost of oil, the oil companies do. The government just regulates it so it stays a competitive market and not become a monopoly. We all have opinions but you need to be around long enough to see and do the research. You seem like a fairly smart kid so I think you'll be fine, but before you point fingers you need to dig a little deeper. Unless you want to get fat and start making crappy "documentaries".
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Snake Pliskin on September 08, 2005, 04:57:48 AM
OPEC
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Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 09, 2005, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Iceman, I dont want to be rude, but you seriously need to get the facts. The president has no say over the cost of oil, the oil companies do. The government just regulates it so it stays a competitive market and not become a monopoly. We all have opinions but you need to be around long enough to see and do the research. You seem like a fairly smart kid so I think you'll be fine, but before you point fingers you need to dig a little deeper. Unless you want to get fat and start making crappy "documentaries".



it's been rising since 2000... when he came into office.  I remember when it was at $.74 here at the lowest.  The disaster isn't this sudden insane rise, it's overdone anyway
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on September 10, 2005, 11:30:26 AM
Isn't this thread is about Hurricane Katrina?
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Elliott Smith on September 10, 2005, 11:46:26 AM
Look.  The reason anyone blames Bush for the high gas prices is this:

- No, he doesn't regulate gas prices, but he does provide part of the initiative to look for alternative energy sources.  If he is not taking this initiative, we are bound to the oil companies (his cronies).  When fuel cells or biofuel, etc. are developed, gas prices will go down (due to demand decrease).  It's really that simple.

As far as people being too dumb to leave their homes, not so fast... it's a severe psychological battle to convince yourself to leave everything you have worked for behind knowing that you may return to its absence.  It, also, is really that simple.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2005, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
As far as people being too dumb to leave their homes, not so fast... it's a severe psychological battle to convince yourself to leave everything you have worked for behind knowing that you may return to its absence.  It, also, is really that simple.



Well yeah, but, in Seattle, were supposed to have a 10.0 quake sometime, and I hope thats after I graduate and have a steady job so I can move out of this place... but if not... fuck, there's supposed to be some slight tremors (4.0-7.0 are what they call "slight") before the real one.  As soon as one of those hits, cya.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: ICEMAN on September 11, 2005, 10:15:53 AM
oh, and this is who I'm referring to as niggers.  They're stranded... and in their message, they can't even spell please.

(http://www.elknise.tk/david/niggers1.JPG)

and to yes... not EVERYONE could leave... that shouldn't mean the over 100,000 people who stayed! out of 350,000!  If 1/3, of a city is too poor to leave, then that is an extremely high poverty rate and would be stated as a depression.  I mean, just look at this.

(http://www.elknise.tk/david/niggers2.JPG) '

ALL those people stayed.  I doubt every one of them "couldn't leave".  A few thousand people tops who really couldn't leave, with the 10,000ish who stayed in the superdome because the streets were too crowded, could have all fit in the superdown.  That's reasonable.  But 100,000 stubborn assholes who then make us pay our tax dollars to rescue their ignorent ass off a roof, when that money could be going towards making those people we're rescueing a new home if they had just left.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Elliott Smith on September 11, 2005, 10:29:18 AM
You don't pay taxes.  You're 15.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Missa on September 11, 2005, 11:53:12 AM
(http://www.elknise.tk/david/niggers1.JPG)

Why is there a flag on the ground? How high up are they anyway?
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on September 11, 2005, 11:56:39 AM
Gotta burn it.
Title: Hurricane Katrina
Post by: Ins4n3 on September 11, 2005, 11:58:48 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was in thier situation, proper spelling wouldn't be my main concern at the moment.