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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on December 08, 2007, 02:43:44 AM
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Only serious post on this topic!
Please explain to me why there is no God after viewing this...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7135492442238246438&q=womb&total=3764&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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Sorry- But whats the music ;)
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I honestly don't know, its what they used.
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Beautiful Video
Sorry- But whats the music ;)
Its by Brian Eno, you may probably rechognise it from the film "28 Days Later" Its called "An Ending (Ascent)" Brian Eno's music's so chilled, listen to "Deep Blue Sea" its like shooting up heroin, and was in the soundtrack to "Trainspotting".
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Beautiful VideoIts by Brian Eno, you may probably rechognise it from the film "28 Days Later" Its called "An Ending (Ascent)" Brian Eno's music's so chilled, listen to "Deep Blue Sea" its like shooting up heroin, and was in the soundtrack to "Trainspotting".
Isn't it called Deep Blue Day?
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i don't understand how that video proves there is a god? Isn't that just the result of a sperm mating with an egg in a woman's vagina?
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i don't understand how that video proves there is a god? Isn't that just the result of a sperm mating with an egg in a woman's vagina?
I agree. Everything in the world has a scientific reason. Believing in god is just what people do to help them get through this life by doing good. They have to feel that there is something after you die, so that all the good they do doesn't go unappreciated. They don't do it just to be good. Well, some people. Plus, people use the thought of God as motivation to get through the hard times, instead of doing it themselves. Once they get through the hard times they want to thank "GOD". Like he was involved somehow. He took time out just to help that one person. Maybe it is true that is what he does, and that is why there is wives, children and others starving all over the world. Because as powerful and all seeing he is, he has limitations. Come on now. I tell you what, when I was down in the gutter living in a fucking whore house of a hotel, working just to try and stay alive, noone helped me. Especially some thought there is someone up in the clouds, or where ever people beleive he is, watching me. Helping me. There is no god!!!! There may have been a Jesus, but I believe all he was, was just another one of those cult leaders, who at the time, gave people something to believe in. So, his story was written about and put into the bible. My thoughts. My beliefs.
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i like it and the music is nice ;)
and i already lost my faith in god a long time ago
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Isn't it called Deep Blue Day?
nah dune got it.
I knew I heard it somewhere, 28 days later is a great film. Aint got round to watching 28 weeks though...
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I would like to know how you can look at the amazing things in this world and still not believe in God. That must be so much harder than believing in God...
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guess i'm just skeptical, takes more than a book to convince me.
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guess i'm just skeptical, takes more than a book to convince me.
I feel the same. I don't need to think, that there is this omnipotent being that created all this "amazing" stuff. The most amazing thing created was man, and there is a scientific explanation for the way we are today, evolution. Did god create us as monkeys and then let us evolve? Come on. Next thing you are going to say is that Adam and Eve were the humans that god evolved and then put them in this "secret garden" to hide them from dinosaurs. BOGUS!!!!!
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I took this off the web, as it more or less says what I would say.
Is There a God?
Does God exist? Is there proof of God? The following offers candid, straight-forward reasons to believe in the existence of God...
existence of God
By Marilyn Adamson
proof of God
Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.
But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
existence of GodThe Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorl ess, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristic s of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
proof of GodWater is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simult aneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
existence of GodThe human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?
3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?
Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
4. Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.
This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.
There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence--arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?
5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
proof of GodI didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."
Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.
6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God pursuing us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.
He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."8 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."9
What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...crea ted food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walke d on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.10
Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.
Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."11 This is God, in action.
Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."12
God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.
If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.
This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her]."13 If you want to do this, but aren't sure how to put it into words, this may help: "Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen."
God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, "I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand."14
So, does God exist? Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way. If you need more information about Jesus' claim to divinity, or about God's existence, or if you have similar important questions, please email us.
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I am not a scientist, but everything that was said can be and has a scienific reason for why it is the way it is.
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Am i the only one who just saw a creepy looking baby and creepy music?
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Considering theres remains of humans from over 160,000 years ago, The only true historic and scientific part of the "bible" is the new testament but theres still no scientific proof that there was or will be a jesus.
Also if "god" made the world in the short amount of time "he" did, then why even make another planet?
In my opinion we were all microscopic organisms, and we just developed from a single celled organism over a long period of time.
Every scientific theory, proposed as possible, is reconcilable with some facts. Otherwise, it would not have been considered for a moment.
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Truely there is a god. He makes everything happen for a reason. Even when bad stuff happens to you, he makes you open your eyes, figure out what went wrong and why, and how you can avoid it again in the future. The only thing we dont have control over is who lives and who dies.
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TELL ME WHERE'S YOUR ALL FORGIVING GOD WITH THESE MEN AND WOMEN.
I would laugh whole heartedly if you were hit with a bolt of lightning after saying that.
For many, believing in god makes life a little more bearable even if there is no way there is life after death.I personally believe in god seeing as if i didn't i would be crazy on a street corner or dead. When many are in rough times believing in a higher being can help to get them through it.
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I would laugh whole heartedly if you were hit with a bolt of lightning after saying that.
For many, believing in god makes life a little more bearable even if there is no way there is life after death.I personally believe in god seeing as if i didn't i would be crazy on a street corner or dead. When many are in rough times believing in a higher being can help to get them through it.
That is why I wrote this:
They have to feel that there is something after you die, so that all the good they do doesn't go unappreciated. They don't do it just to be good. Well, some people. Plus, people use the thought of God as motivation to get through the hard times, instead of doing it themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I never once have told anyone to not beleive. I am just trying to get across why I don't.
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So then all the people who's lives are just total shit, live in the street, no food, no house, just the clothes on their backs, what is up with them? God apparently hasn't come to them and shown them what they did wrong. How about all the Veterans who have fought for their country and are now homeless, because of the flashbacks and terriable shit they had to see to help others, who sit on their asses at home, and do nothing but complain about the wars. What did they do wrong. FUCKING NOTHING. They fought for their country, did what they were asked, and now they have fucking mental problems, because of the shit they had to endure. You tell me their is a god, then why won't he help the people who have done nothing wrong, but yet are haunted in their minds. Why doesn't help clean their minds, so they don't have to have the thoughts they do. Seeing all the death and destruction, and now, becuase they of what they seen, can't hold a job, so they lose their houses, their wives, their children. TELL ME WHERE YOUR ALL FORGIVING GOD WITH THESE MEN AND WOMEN. What is he to busy with the other people who go to church and are complaining about the war, and the "good christians", who can do no wrong? Come on. Like I said, the thought of God is just motivation to help people do right, and think there is a reward in the after life. Me I know when i die, I am dead. Nothing more and nothing less. I will be but a memory. And to me, that is what your soul is. Your soul is what you leave behind, the good or the bad thoughts or memories people have of you. Heaven is when people just remember the good points about you, because that is how you were, either all the time, or most of the time. Hell is when people remember you as being a prick, and a loser, and they want to forget about you as soon as possiable.
Some people make bad decisions. If they dont want to work and make bad habits there's going to be consequences. If people are not financially stable and decide to have kids anyway then it will ruin their lives too. The greatest goal to overcome is depression. For the U.S. to earn its freedom and stay at peace we have to go to war. Soldiers should have the right state of mind and be mentally tough to fight. War veterans by far have the most respect from me and our country. I and most of us have not fought in a true war and have little idea what it would be like. The war in Iraq is nothing compared to previous wars where we had 4,000 people dying in weeks and not in 4 years. God cannot control people's bodies or minds, he gave you a brain to make decisions for yourself. He is a tester of the mind and like i said above makes everything happen for a reason.
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Some people make bad decisions. If they dont want to work and make bad habits there's going to be consequences. If people are not financially stable and decide to have kids anyway then it will ruin their lives too. The greatest goal to overcome is depression. For the U.S. to earn its freedom and stay at peace we have to go to war. Soldiers should have the right state of mind and be mentally tough to fight. War veterans by far have the most respect from me and our country. I and most of us have not fought in a true war and have little idea what it would be like. The war in Iraq is nothing compared to previous wars where we had 4,000 people dying in weeks and not in 4 years. God cannot control people's bodies or minds, he gave you a brain to make decisions for yourself. He is a tester of the mind and like i said above makes everything happen for a reason.
And you are right about the death tolls. I wasn't saying about this about just the Iraq war, I was talking about war in particular. We still have Veitnam vets out there on the streets. I understand the whole freedom thing. You don't have to tell me. There are people in America that have depression becuase a fucking family pet dies, not once have they seen war. Try having a buddy die in your arms. Or having a buddy of you screaming for help, because the Hummvee he is in, is burning from a fucking IED. The truck got flipped over so he can't get out of the turret hole, and the frame is fucked up so the doors are all stuck shut. Don't talk to me about depression. You have no idea the demons I have in my mind. Bone does, and he has expressed some of them. I am sure there is alot he hasn't and won't tell us, becuase telling them is like living them all over again. I am the type of guy who likes to joke around and bust peoples balls and that helps me through them. Many of night have I sat up and can't sleep because as soon as my eyes close I see those things all over again. You can be the toughest minded person in the world, but see some of the shit that some people have seen. There are alot of soldiers out there that have seen things 1000 times harsher than I. But anyway, this isn't a topic about that. So what does having a strong mind get you after you die, since he is a tester of minds? Shouldn't he be a tester of morals, courage and a person's geuinness? I mean, does having a strong mind get you a better spot in heaven? Oh and shouldn't the greatest goal to achieve be something that person wants. What if they aren't depressed, then they have no great goal to acheive? Where did you even come up with that line? Just wondering.
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Where did you even come up with that line? Just wondering. So what does having a strong mind get you after you die, since he is a tester of minds? Shouldn't he be a tester of morals, courage and a person's geuinness? I mean, does having a strong mind get you a better spot in heaven? Oh and shouldn't the greatest goal to achieve be something that person wants. What if they aren't depressed, then they have no great goal to acheive? Where did you even come up with that line?
Good question, Im not a preacher of god just a follower. I was just giving my opinion about god and what i go by. Try asking those questions to someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about.
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Well I kinda believe in something but it always seemed a bit presumtuous and slightly arrogant to me to assume you'll actually gain favors with some all powerful entity who created "everything" by kissing his ass your whole life. I ghess you gain some kind of self importance, smugness and confidence thinking your pally with god which is a bit like snorting coke I ghess or being friends with the school bully. To me its simple, while your praying and whatnot, your not killing people which is a good thing and the more time you spend praying your even less likely to be doing bad shit.
I used to believe in Santa and to be honest it was great, mind you he used to give me stuff LOL. No seriously its good to have beliefs it distracts you from the fact that in the scale of things your simply a piece of bateria on a piece of sand floating in sheer nothingness which kinda sucks. If I could convince myself I was heading for some cloud filled dream land called Heaven with pretty angels and stuff I'd go for it but I've tried and can't.