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Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 23, 2006, 01:11:46 PM
(posted on another forum)
http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_8970_US-soldiers-iraq-20-2-2004.jpg


My reply:
[SIZE="3"]ter·ror·ism
n.
    The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.[/SIZE]

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The unlawful use

I'll just quote drew;)...
Unlawful Use:
Quote from: Drew
This isn't fighting terrorism, this is a blank check to wage military operations internationall y without the president needing to go to Congress to declare war.


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or threatened use of force

Force:
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violence by a person or an organized group against people or property

Organized:
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Property:
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with the intention of intimidating or coercing

Intimidation:
Bush
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intimidating or coercing societies or governments

Society or Government:
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often for ideological or political reasons.

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It's as simple as 2+2=4.  Bush + War = Terrorism.  What defines terrorism?  What he does, is terrorism.  Iraq didn't strike first, we did.  Therefore, we are terrorists.  How do Iraqi's feel?  Turn on the news.  They feel they're being approached by an organized group trying to gain something for their own ideological beliefs, by a method of force and violence, whose validity on legal terms is questionable, in other terms, terrorists.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on April 23, 2006, 01:21:50 PM
I'm staying out of this one. =P
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 23, 2006, 02:06:28 PM
lol, I thought it would be interesting to put on the *MAFIA* forums, because we have extreme democrats, and extreme republicans.  I'm so evil!:D
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on April 23, 2006, 02:32:44 PM
Kill'em all and let god sort them out.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on April 23, 2006, 02:44:15 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
Kill'em all and let god sort them out.


Ditto to that
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Elliott Smith on April 23, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
I do not understand the unlawful nature of the war.  Prove it's unlawful before you waste your time arguing that which cannot stand within a lawful war.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 23, 2006, 05:02:39 PM
All I have to say is you are an idiot, and probably watched one or more Michael Moore films.  Grow up and open your eyes.  This is just another "Blame Bush" campaign by another uneducated American.  Did you see any of this shit durring the first gulf war?  No...  As for unlawful, it is completely lawful and congress has deemed it so.  These are the people you elected by the way.  The only solution to solving the radical islamo-facist problem is simply to kill them all, you can not combat somone willing to die to illiminate you by conventional means, the government should use whatever means they have be it intimidation or action.  Don't get me wrong, I have a few "muslim" friends but the ones we are battleing are fanatics, and for the destruction of property and loss of life.  Collateral damage, remember we were provoced durring 9/11.  This started the "War on Terror", Iraq happened to be a place likely to harbor terrorists and DEFINATLY willing to provide them WMD's (Which it cannot be disputed that they had tons of Anthrax, Mustard Gas, and various nerve agents at the end of the gulf war look itup if you don't believe this fact.  We have records of what they had when we left, what they destroyed, and what has mysteriously disappeared off the face of the earth)  We invaded Iraq as a continueance on the "war on terror"  and guess what I will not be suprised if we invade Iran next.  They all do pose a threat to us and problems will not be solved leaving them alone.  If you want to DEBATE any of these FACTS.  Pm me and I will be glad to but keep the political propaganda to a minimum here as I'm sure it will cause "Drama" and I'm sure somone will end up yelling at somone else.

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Based on the UNSCOM report to the UN Security Council in January 1999 and earlier UNSCOM reports, we assess that when the UN inspectors left Iraq they were unable to account for:

    * up to 360 tonnes of bulk chemical warfare agent, including 1.5 tonnes of VX nerve agent;
    * up to 3,000 tonnes of precursor chemicals, including approximately 300 tonnes which, in the Iraqi CW programme, were unique to the production of VX;
    * growth media procured for biological agent production (enough to produce over three times the 8,500 litres of anthrax spores Iraq admits to having manufactured);
    * over 30,000 special munitions for delivery of chemical and biological agents.


Here is some information on when Iraq actually used Chemical weapons against its own people
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The Halabja poison gas attack was an incident on 15 March-19 March 1988 during a major battle in the Iran-Iraq war when chemical weapons were used by the Iraqi government forces to kill a number of people in the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja (population 80,000). Estimates of casualties range from several hundred to 7,000 people. Halabja is located about 150 miles northeast of Baghdad and 8-10 miles from the Iranian border.


Here are some links pertaining to the RAW information if anything is not beleived to be from a reliable source.

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/page274.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/cw-program.htm
http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqweaponsc.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/gulfwar/cwagents/cwpaper1.htm

Iraq deserved what it got and thats pretty much it.  The last thing people should be calling Bush is a terrorist.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: MadMedic on April 23, 2006, 05:47:38 PM
Bush may not be doing the right thing, but he is not a terrorist because he is killing for a reason not over religion
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 23, 2006, 06:01:07 PM
Yeah do you really think this is JUST about oil? Please....its just people trying to find some way to bitch about something else. Bush was by far the better choice over Kerry. That having been said there could have been a lot better choices. When someone comes...kills over 2000 people in the largest city in the US, then tries to target you, would you have done a better job? I stand behind my president becuase hes just that. Im not going to point the finger or bitch about this and that. Ill hope for the safe return of the troops and Ill hope that things get resolved. He might not have made the best plans for going to war, but if he didn't do something it could be worse. If you can't deal with what the US is doing, there's always Canada....or Mexico.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 23, 2006, 06:14:49 PM
Chuck Norris Aproves of this message.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on April 23, 2006, 06:52:52 PM
You know I was there when the first bomb fell and I was there on the main attack, 3rd wave 82nd ba'c co'4 pa'2 and I will say I hade bullets, rockets, bombs, grenades, aa, heavy armour, and mortor fire at my ass and you know what I did? I killed me 7 of them allah loving son of a bitches with my trusty .50cal with a simons 120x50 scope at ranges of up to 1.2 miles.

So dont tell me about this terrorist BS! I was there I seen the people happy to be free of that fucking tirants rule. True not all of them see the same but the ones that do and walked up to me and thanked me for there new found freedom I must say it was worth it to protect human rights to life and freedom.

I did not do it for bush or for my co or for my self glory I did it to protect the basic human right to freedom and peace.

So dont even dare call me a fucking terrorist...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [) ! A B L 0 on April 23, 2006, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
I did it to protect the basic human right to freedom and peace.

So dont even dare call me a fucking terrorist...



I LOVE YOU DADDY!
You made my skin all tingly with that one.  It's like the feeling I get when I watch a war movie and I see the bad guys getting pwned. :)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 23, 2006, 09:23:50 PM
I knew this would turn into an interesting thread...:) haven't read any replies yet, just checking here... gotsta go study...:)


I've read Swifty's post...  you take everything at 1/2 face value.  You have to take it at full face value and then analyze it.  Not just analyze it, but take into persepective the OTHER side of it.  Have some empathy for the terrorists, learn there side.  Pretend you are the median between the two sides, the US and Iraq.  To understand it, you're not going to hear one side and know it all.

We weren't provoked at 9/11.  The Bush administration lied SO much, it's rediculous.  Did you see a plane at the Pentagon?  Did you see one in Shanksville, PA?  Am I really supposed to believe that for the first 2 times in history, a plane (2 in one day), were incinerated by a fireball.  There's the theory that it hit the lower 1st story of the Pentagon, and there's a level of destruction before the collapse that shows where the wings hit.  Where are the wings?  Don't you think that a hunk of metal traveling at over 500 mph would break all the columns on the first floor... shatter glass, would knock over the spools infront as EVERY theorist site shows... so why would the government claim it to be a plane crash if they don't just show us it really was.  They release 5 frames for us to see?  That's BULLSHIT.  All they have to do is show us a few more frames of that video for us to be able to see the plane hit.

All the controversy on the government not releasing information about 911, trade center 7 falling out of the blue? and all the damning evidence, points more to the Bush administration than Al Qaeda.  What even makes you think Al Qaeda were the ones who did it?  More than HALF of the hijackers are still alive and well today, the others may still be too.  They have no solid evidence, not even an ACTUAL video of Bin Laden admitting to it.  The one the US released is obviously a fake.


And swifty, I'm uneducated?  I'm the one who takes in everything, from all sides, pictures, words, commentary, and actually am taking the time to analyze it.  ALL you're doing is relaying information that the US gives us.  You're doing absolutely nothing in the forms of thoughts.  Now, you could argue the same for me, except for the fact that I've been in researching this since about a year after it began... That's right, a 10 year old kid was smarter than you swifty.;) :D


Quote from: MadMedic
Bush may not be doing the right thing, but he is not a terrorist because he is killing for a reason not over religion

Yes, killing for reasons other than religion are perfectly fine.  Killing for personal gain as long as you are part of the US is perfectly fine.;)


Quote from: ThaSnyper
Yeah do you really think this is JUST about oil? Please....its just people trying to find some way to bitch about something else. Bush was by far the better choice over Kerry. That having been said there could have been a lot better choices. When someone comes...kills over 2000 people in the largest city in the US, then tries to target you, would you have done a better job? I stand behind my president becuase hes just that. Im not going to point the finger or bitch about this and that. Ill hope for the safe return of the troops and Ill hope that things get resolved. He might not have made the best plans for going to war, but if he didn't do something it could be worse. If you can't deal with what the US is doing, there's always Canada....or Mexico.

Bush was better than Kerry?  Kerry could only point out Bush's obvious flaws, that's it.  John Edwards, had the plans to fix everything.  Either way with that election, we were going to get royally fucked in the ass, because Kerry wouldn't have done a thing... and Edwards would push to shut down every major corporation in this country.  BUT, in November of last year, I constantly said, that if Bush get's re-elected, I expected that we would be on the brink of nuclear war.  GUESS WHAT, cha-CHING.  We are.  Nothing > nukes.  It's better to do nothing, then to start a war of M.A.D.

I completely plan on moving to another country when I have enough money.  I believe Canada has a limit of requiring a certain amount of money far too large for myself to go to.  A nice neutral country like Switzerland with your money would make me quite happy.:)  (which is argueably one of the hardest contries to immigrate too)


Bone - I admire you're heroism!:)  Now, when you were there for the first invasion... and they were shooting at you... why do you think they were shooting at you?  You're approaching their grounds... on their turf, with weapons, and planning to shoot them.  If I were one of them, fuck, I'd fire back.  I'm not gonna sit there and take one to the head without a fight.  Picture one of the most powerful armies advancing on you, with the intent of killing you.  I'd do the same thing.  As for all those people who you were able to obtain freedom for, thank you.:)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 06:39:50 AM
Ok whoa. I had a friend who was IN the pentagon. Saw the plane, dragged 3 people out of rubble and watched as others burned. I had another friend whos Dad was in the 2nd tower...got out about 15 minutes before it fell. Ive spoke with President Bush on 4 occations. (Texas A&M is where is fathers library is) Don't tell me this is some big conspiracy. Do you also have foil on your head so that the aliens can't read your mind? Come on man. I like you and do not mean this rudely or disrespectfull y but you really need to think about this here. Ive seen both sides. Seen friends go and come back from Iraq. A few dont even like Bush, but EVERY ONE of them came back saying Iraq was better off. Im sure there is plenty I dont know about what happend. I don't want to know. Any government will keep information about things we shouldn't know. What about Area 51? Who really knows whats there either. Im not saying that he's perfect but quit making things worse with ridiculous theories. He's OUR president whether we like it or not. I didn't like Clinton. But I didn't bitch about it when he was getting blown by a cow.
We aren't going to Iraq just for oil. Sure, Ill say it could be some of the reason. Im not totally nieve, but I know he easily has plenty in Alaska. He WANTED to drill there, with plans of environmental conservation, but some liberal tree huggers shot down his plan. Hey with all the money yall are spending on complaining, why don't you come up with efficient alternative fuels? Just a thought. Im sure ya'll will stick to bitchin.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Boemann (nl) on April 24, 2006, 07:46:53 AM
For me, I think the reason of the war in iraq was kinda stupid. However I do think that iraq is better of now. Bush just needs to get everything sorted out there in iraq FAST, and then the troops should go home ASAP.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Billy Rubin on April 24, 2006, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN

And swifty, I'm uneducated?  I'm the one who takes in everything, from all sides, pictures, words, commentary, and actually am taking the time to analyze it.  ALL you're doing is relaying information that the US gives us.  You're doing absolutely nothing in the forms of thoughts.  Now, you could argue the same for me, except for the fact that I've been in researching this since about a year after it began... That's right, a 10 year old kid was smarter than you swifty.;) :D

I agree with Iceman.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Rat on April 24, 2006, 10:27:21 AM
Just let me say that watching a movie that has no bases in reality is not research. No plane crash in PA or the Pentagon? Are you for real? Come on now your smarter than that.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Elliott Smith on April 24, 2006, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Im not totally nieve, but I know he easily has plenty in Alaska. He WANTED to drill there, with plans of environmental conservation, but some liberal tree huggers shot down his plan. Hey with all the money yall are spending on complaining, why don't you come up with efficient alternative fuels? Just a thought. Im sure ya'll will stick to bitchin.


Actually, if you objectively consider the amount of oil America consumes yearly, the ANWR can only fuel America for around 10 months.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 11:35:32 AM
Thats the oil we are running on now...there is more oil there but it is in a national park and arent allowed to drill.

And dont tell me they arent better off. Looks like we've taught them some good 'ol Texas fishing.

http://www.virob.com/virob/videos/722.html (http://www.virob.com/virob/videos/722.html)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on April 24, 2006, 12:00:34 PM
You know so many people hate Bush, I dont blame them. But heres the tricky part, do you believe that Kerry would have been a better president than Bush? The guys best defense of why he should win the fucking election is because he won a purple heart in the vietnam war. He won the purple heart, no not from doing brave and heroic acts, but only because he didnt die. And about our country doing terrorism acts? WTF are you talking about, you wanna know the real definition of terrorism? Its destroying the lives of the innocent. We are trying to destroy the lives of the ones killing the innocent. And dont tell me that we are destroying the lives of ordinary people in Iraq, or where ever, because the reason we are there is to establish peace, and to save those people. People are dying so that you can sit on your ass all day playing video games, and you dare to call them terrorists? fuck you.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Elliott Smith on April 24, 2006, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Thats the oil we are running on now...there is more oil there but it is in a national park and arent allowed to drill.

And dont tell me they arent better off. Looks like we've taught them some good 'ol Texas fishing.

http://www.virob.com/virob/videos/722.html (http://www.virob.com/virob/videos/722.html)


Yeah, I guess I should have spelled it out.  ANWR stands for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and is the "park" you and I are referring to (though it's not really a park).  The oil reserves within the site could fuel America with respect to its oil demands for under 10 months.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 01:17:37 PM
Yeah I wasn't stating it was a solution but I was just saying I don't think this war was just becuase of oil.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on April 24, 2006, 01:20:18 PM
I know I said that I was staying out of this one, but...

Iceman, you've been watching this Pentagon conspiracy flash a little too often =P
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Preloader

It's a fun video and it makes a fairly good argument, but you have to consider the source of these "facts." I mean, this is the only place I've seen this conspiracy. If it had actual credibility, it would've been covered by the media. If you're going to take everything into account, you have to be able to give both sides credibility, which you (and this flash) don't express towards the Bush Administration .

Do you really believe that "John Edwards had the plans to fix everything?" I hope you were being sarcastic when you said that because that's giving him wayyy too much credit.

And Medic, terrorism isn't religious fanaticism. Terrorism is a type of warfare, just as general, assymetric and limited warfare is. You don't have to have religion as a reason to be a terrorist. If that were the case, then the revolutionists in Ireland wouldn't be terrorists (which they are).

As far as the first invasion of Iraq goes, there wasn't much fighting going on. Iraqi soldiers surrendered by the thousands as soon as they encountered US Marines and Army. I wouldn't question your resolve to fire back if the US was being invaded, but these soldiers were in a different situation. They were forced into Saddam's army. You think they wanted to be there? Their life sucked. They weren't about to be killed defending a country that held executions during soccer games and exterminated their own villages.

I don't want to get into an argument about how bin Laden may or may not have been behind 9/11. There's overwhelming support that he was. It's common knowledge to Americans, Afghanis, Pakistanis and the entire international community that al Qaeda was. Instead, I'm going to suggest that you research the relationship between the US government and the Saudi royal family starting from the end of WWII to the present and where al Qaeda came from. It's a sobering reality in patron/client relationships. =)



In my opinion, this argument should be taking a backseat right now. There's a genocide in Sudan right now that we should be trying to stop... unless we all want another Rwanda. 800,000 dead Tutsis, anyone? Anyone?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [) ! A B L 0 on April 24, 2006, 02:57:37 PM
um iceman shut the fuck up please...

ur hate bush campaign and crazy theories that are complete retarded bullshit can go somewhere else
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 24, 2006, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Yeah, I guess I should have spelled it out.  ANWR stands for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and is the "park" you and I are referring to (though it's not really a park).  The oil reserves within the site could fuel America with respect to its oil demands for under 10 months.

People wouldn't need that much oil if the soccer mommies would stop picking up one kid at a time in their Ford F-65000. I see it at school daily, it's disgusting seeing those nasty ragedy-ass trucks or the Excursion, meant to seat 7/8 people, picking up one person. We like to call those people Bako's(bakersfield white trash). Get out of your Fords and drive a volkwagen, a real man's car. (don't make fun of VW's, i've got a '71 van and it kicks ass, 34mpg, still laughing?).
i'm done.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 24, 2006, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Rubin
I agree with Iceman.
Hmm lets start out with the fact, that I have cited facts.  Iceman has cited INSANE conspiracy theorys with almost no factual backround.  This is like argueing whether the moon landing occured.  I love you iceman but when you get older you will realise a few things and one of them is you have to look at all the facts which you didn't, analyse them and draw your own conclusion based on facts, not emotion.  Many Americas have been effected by the war but going along with the croud and jumping on the "I hate Bush" bandwagon is just rediculous.  I cited government sources, you cite an insane conspiracy theory about how it is more likely Bush plotted 9/11.  I dont like bush but he is doing the best job he can in a difficult situation, he made the call and he has to live with the concequences.  But the idea that the administration had a  hand in 9/11 is insane.  As for Billy?  I dont see how you have a say in this issue, your whole life contradicts reason.  You are a nurse...Yet your husband is the bigest pothead I've ever seen.  Hmm that makes sense.  Where is your arguement about the issue other then trying to cause drama.  You have none, so sit the fuck down and go back to your own gay little group of friends as your definatly not wanted here by me.  As for ice, like I said I love you man you are a good friend but dont tell me your smarter then me and insult me when I have definatly been on this earth longer, I love political science iceman, you love music.  I wont try to act like I know how to play a guitar, and you dont try to act like you are an expert at world politics.  And if I see one more response bashing another individual I am closing this thread.  Iceman wanted a discussion not a flame post.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 03:50:57 PM
This is interesting, because I got the exact OPPOSITE results on another forum.

I'll read and respond later.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on April 24, 2006, 03:51:05 PM
Quote from: '*MAFIA* [) ! A B L 0'
um iceman shut the fuck up please...

ur hate bush campaign and crazy theories that are complete retarded bullshit can go somewhere else

Um, freedom of speech?

Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
And if I see one more response bashing another individual I am closing this thread.

What did you just do to ICEMAN and Billy Rubin?

(those are rhetorical questions by the way guys)

OK sorry I just had to point those 2 things out, back on topic...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 24, 2006, 03:57:13 PM
You personally attack me you will get one in return, I dont discriminate:D.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
You personally attack me you will get one in return, I dont discriminate:D.

I'll show you some stuff... this could take 20-30 minutes, so chill out while I reply.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 24, 2006, 04:10:03 PM
Interesting, I am open to all evidence but the evidence you presented I did not believe its that simple.  Like I said, I love you.
Title: PLEASE READ THE SECTION THAT PERTAINS TO YOU AT LEAST, I'm repeating myself a lot
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 04:24:20 PM
Your insults swifty from the first post:
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All I have to say is you are an idiot
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Grow up and open your eyes
"WE are terrorists," is a comment as a nation... and it's true from one end.  We entered Iraq and attacked first.  Our actions fit the definition perfectly, it would be hypocritical of ourselves to call others terrorists, fit the same guidelines, and then claim that we are free from blame.

Something I forgot to reply to:
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As for unlawful, it is completely lawful and congress has deemed it so. These are the people you elected by the way.
dude... I'll copy something from the other thread that I replied to in here...
Quote from: Mastodon
Please stop saying "we". "WE" did not elect to do this, the pentagon did.
Quote from: Myself
WE live in a democracy. WE elected many of the politicians (twice). WE elected the politicians who place people into non-elected positions. WE elected to do this.
So I agree with you there... BUT, this is the analysis part that you are seriously missing out on.  It's not that the Iraq war was unlawful, but READ the article I posted to go along with my first post on terrorism.  Now THAT is unlawful.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/pi...-20-2-2004.jpg

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Quote from: ThaSnyper
. I like you and do not mean this rudely or disrespectfull y but you really need to think about this here.
Considering the fact that I'm the one doing the analysis of the situation... other than relaying what is said to me... I don't think I'm the one who needs to do more thinking.  And yes, no disrespect, I've been in plenty of debates on in my view (not all), only a further education of the situation can be brought from all sides coming to state their opinions:)

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Any government will keep information about things we shouldn't know. What about Area 51? Who really knows whats there either.
As far as we know, there are no instances with a mass amount of evidence showing that activities at Area 51 are being used to kill are own citizens.  We have no pictures, and know absolutely nothing about it.  9/11 is MUCH different, and you can't even compare the two.

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He's OUR president whether we like it or not. I didn't like Clinton. But I didn't bitch about it when he was getting blown by a cow.
Bitching?  Yes, it is bitching.  The only way to come about REFORM of corrupt actions is to bitch.  First you need to find out, "what actually happened?"  The next step is finding the actions you can take to stop it.  Third would be putting those actions into action.  Fourth is fixing mistakes.  Do you think Che Guevara, could have achieved his success in South America (screw what happened to cuba), if he didn't bitch?

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Hey with all the money yall are spending on complaining, why don't you come up with efficient alternative fuels? Just a thought. Im sure ya'll will stick to bitchin.
I have that SAME arguement against religion.  The only difference with what you are saying to me, is that we are spending money.  How am I spending money right now?  Paying for the internet, using a computer, supporting companies which employ people?  "We," conspirators, spend practically no money.  You know what is a great deal of money:
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As of March 31, 2006, over $251 billion has been allocated by the US Congress for the Iraqi war, as well as the war in Afghanistan.
And that... is a far under-estimation.  That's almost $1000 a person for those who live in the United States.  Think of what we could accomplish with $251 billion.


Quote from: The one and only sexy Billy!
I agree with Iceman.
BILLY!  Thank you for the kind words!  Glad to see you again.:)

(still typing, I'll just post what I got so far... AND... some evidence coming up:))
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: Rat-Man
Just let me say that watching a movie that has no bases in reality is not research. No plane crash in PA or the Pentagon? Are you for real? Come on now your smarter than that.

(directly copied from the other thread... sorry if it's got a bit of an attitude on it;))
Show me a picture of a 757 that hit the pentagon, and one in Shanksville.  Unless you photoshop one, I doubt I'm gonna see any pics here.;)


[SIZE="5"]We'll play a game with it, spot the big jumbo jet plane!;)[/SIZE]
not to mention... there's no marking of wings hitting the pentagon:
(http://static.flickr.com/26/58934030_843c969563.jpg)

and before it's collapse:
(http://www.serendipity.li/wot/precollapse.jpg)

Loose Change used a lot of material from various websites, just search Pentagon attack on Google, and you'll see the notes about the windows are in-tact, theres only a 16 foot wide hole before it collapsed, the spools in the front are untouched... etc:
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/pentmorris.jpg)


(I've been editing this a lot as a find pics...)



Shanksville time!
(http://www.september11news.com/Flight93CraterReuters.jpg)

(http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/images/344_flight93_above.jpg)
This is like where is Waldo;)
(http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/images/343_93crash.jpg)

I don't see one.  Do you?  That's the most blatantly obvious evidence I can show you.  It's impossible for jet fuel which burnt at 2000 degrees, to "incinerate" a jumbo jet, when the metals that the plane are made of, have a melting point of 3000...  Not only that... but like I said before... first time ever... would this have been the occurance of a plane "incinerating."  Do you actually think that both occurances of this, the only ones in existence, happened on 9/11 when physics show it's impossible?

Even if a plane did hit the pentagon, it hit an area that underwent reconstruction, and basically had few people in it.  It was the only area that could with-stand this attack.  It "ripped lightpoles out of the ground," where as other flights have hit a lightpole, ripping off the wing, and crashing into many pieces (from Loose Change).  That screams something is going on that the government knew.

AND AGAIN...
[SIZE="6"]IF THEY WANT TO PROVE A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON, ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS RELEASE A VIDEO.  THEY RELEASED 5 FRAMES, FROM A SECURITY CAMERA OF AN EXPLOSION, NO PLANE WAS SHOWN.  WHY?  SHOW ME 4-5 MORE FRAMES AND CONFIRM IT.  IF IT WERE REAL, THIS IS ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO.[/SIZE]
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
You know so many people hate Bush, I dont blame them. But heres the tricky part, do you believe that Kerry would have been a better president than Bush? The guys best defense of why he should win the fucking election is because he won a purple heart in the vietnam war. He won the purple heart, no not from doing brave and heroic acts, but only because he didnt die. And about our country doing terrorism acts?

I already answered this:
Quote from: myself
Bush was better than Kerry? Kerry could only point out Bush's obvious flaws, that's it. John Edwards, had the plans to fix everything. Either way with that election, we were going to get royally fucked in the ass, because Kerry wouldn't have done a thing... and Edwards would push to shut down every major corporation in this country. BUT, in November of last year, I constantly said, that if Bush get's re-elected, I expected that we would be on the brink of nuclear war. GUESS WHAT, cha-CHING. We are. Nothing > nukes. It's better to do nothing, then to start a war of M.A.D.

Which brings me to this:
Quote from: Illusion
Do you really believe that "John Edwards had the plans to fix everything?" I hope you were being sarcastic when you said that because that's giving him wayyy too much credit.

Ahh... stupid sayings in English, not everything.  No one will have the key to everything, and that's why I put "Either way with that election, we were going to get royally fucked in the ass."  Kerry didn't have a plan, what I meant by everything, was that everything they planned to do, John Edwards was the one who proposed it.  THat didn't mean all problems, but all problems that were meantioned during the campaigning and debates of the 2004 elections, were done by Edwards.  Hope I cleared that up.:)

Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
WTF are you talking about, you wanna know the real definition of terrorism? Its destroying the lives of the innocent. We are trying to destroy the lives of the ones killing the innocent.

We don't even know that we went out after the people who did this FOR SURE.  It was all "speculation."  Read the small font, and the small statements.  Skimming articles doesn't show you specifics.

Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
People are dying so that you can sit on your ass all day playing video games, and you dare to call them terrorists? fuck you.

OH yes Blackjax, I sit on my ass and play video games all day.  I'm 16, my parents are lovely people who make $250,000 a year.  MAN, how bout you go fuck yourself.  My dad is supposedly dead of a heroin OD and my mom's in jail, and will be till I have kids.  I've been working my ass off since I was 10 so that I could EAt.  I just came back after living in my car for 4 months.  YES, I AM SO LUCKY.  YOU KNOW WHAT KEEPS ME GOING, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO HAVE IT WORSE THAN ME.  I have a roof over my head, food, water, that's all I need, but by no means, am I sitting on my ass.  I maintain good grades, taking advantage of the fruits that I can take in, such as education, so I can have a good life.  I work, I strive, and achieve, and on top of that, I have a drive to analyze and look into instances like this, while all you fuckers just watch the news, and consider that fact.  FUCK YOU blackjax.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 24, 2006, 05:58:22 PM
damn, no one responds to my posts. I had a good point too, anyone living in california knows exactlly who Bako's are and what they do, those consumptive assholes in their big ass Fords.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
My dad is supposedly dead of a heroin OD and my mom's in jail, and will be till I have kids.


That explains a lot...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
That explains a lot...
You are so fucking retarded.  What my parents background happens to be, has nothing to do with my own speculation, and I am in no way like them.  I strive to be the exact opposite, and love to LEARN.  Some of you stupid ass motherfuckers believe that once a poor dumb bastard... always a poor dumb bastard... well I've got news for you, my 3.98 and honors classes say otherwise.  Not to mention the fact that many of you, haven't analyzed a thing.  SERIOUSLY, take my advice! try it!  Don't just read off a paper.  I didn't just read off videos, considering that when I started with this, the videos weren't even made.


Shove it.




And... talk about personal cheap shots.  Swifty, are you going to bitch about ThaSnypers comments?  Or is it just like your views on (researching) government?  completely one sided?




Wasser --- great insight into it!:)  I read it, I just somehow didn't quote you.. sorry about that:)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 06:40:11 PM
It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. It just explains where you come from. And if you did really know what you were talking about, how your parents act is the biggest influence on your thoughts and feelings. I dont recall calling you a retard. But really...have you ever seen a plane fly into a building? I have a friend Ive known almost all my life who saw the aftermath. I believe him when he says it was a plane. At that heat it melts. I have seen videos of planes hitting the ground and just about bursting into a million pieces then burning to a charred rubble. Are you saying that they dug a hole in the middle of a field...faked phone calls...then went to war over it? Bush didn't need that big of a reason. Suddam has killed thousands of people. Bush would never put human lives on the line for oil. Again I dont mean this to be rude, and with all due respect you need to sit, wait, listen...and then REALLY think about this. Do you think you could out smart the government? Honestly as a 16yr old...do you really think you could outsmart some of the smartest people in the world? And Im not talking about Bush.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 24, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
Thats why this is now in flame.  I dont discriminate, have a name calling contest, I dont care.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on April 24, 2006, 07:04:54 PM
Heres evidence that the president is trying to do something right :)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12469582/
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 24, 2006, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Heres evidence that the president is trying to do something right :)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12469582/

If people really wanna solve the gas prices, outlaw trucks, SUV's, and Fords. No one really needs these kinds of hideous vehicles, and for those who absolutely need a truck for work, go buy an 80's Datsun. Those things last forever and pull anything. Oh, and outlaw Hummers, especially the H2, what a disgusting looking tupperware-container on wheels.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 24, 2006, 07:39:36 PM
Fords? My Mustang GT and Ford Ranger get over 23mpg. Even the heavy duty trucks and SUV's get better mpg than others. They stopped making the Excursion. I know from experience...(I was there a month ago) you'll hardly ever see trucks there in California. In Newport Beach I think I saw more Ferrari's than Fords. A Ferrari will get the mpg a Ford F350 gets. Driving around other parts we were like the only Chevy Z71 on the road.  People here in Texas live and die by our trucks. Id bet that the 80's Datsun would burn more engine oil than gas. haha Trucks in Cali aren't needed, but in Texas and Im sure other states, we need large pickups to tow and go off road and such. Plus there are many hills and unpaved roads that an accord or VW couldn't handle. Just don't be ignorant to the cars driving around there too. BMW's, Benz's and other large lux cars get just as bad gas mileage as some large trucks. We have seen a turn away from unneeded SUV's. That problem will fizzle out itself. People can only afford so much.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Unregistered on April 24, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
. Are you saying that they dug a hole in the middle of a field...faked phone calls...then went to war over it? Bush didn't need that big of a reason. Suddam has killed thousands of people. Bush would never put human lives on the line for oil.

Bush absolutely needed a big reason to attack...look how many people are still opposed to the war despite what terrorists have done to the US. And whats a couple people here and there when one is considering billions of dollars worth of natural resources.
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
As for Billy? I dont see how you have a say in this issue, your whole life contradicts reason. You are a nurse...Yet your husband is the bigest pothead I've ever seen. Hmm that makes sense. Where is your arguement about the issue other then trying to cause drama. You have none, so sit the fuck down and go back to your own gay little group of friends as your definatly not wanted here by me.
AND
You personally attack me you will get one in return, I dont discriminate

Well my say on this is based on the fact this has been posted on a public forum. And you know nothing about my life so maybe YOU should sit the fuck down, because I never actually personally attacked you in the first place I simply stated that I was in agreement with Iceman. And even if I liked you, I still wouldn't care whether you wanted me here or not...I'm staying!
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Billy Rubin on April 24, 2006, 08:36:39 PM
^^^^^^Me^^^^^ ;)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 24, 2006, 08:37:57 PM
Believe you me, Bakersfield ( i try to avoid the place, but they seem to make it to the central coast every time we have a vacation) is filled with the nastiest people ever, and while you may need trucks to conquer rough terrain in Texas, none of the people in bakersfield need them. They definitely do not need to lift it 3 feet either, just makes their diesel monstrosities look even worse, and my friend owns an F350...it gets 11mpg. While a mustang may get 23mpg, compare that to a '73 VW Bug which gets up to 38! That's better than the new hybrid that Ford is making. They're clearly not trying hard enough to get better gas mileage if a car from 1938 is able to spank it in gas mileage. While you might argue..."But hey, a Ford hybrid is much bigger and heavier than a VW, that's the reason" consider this, the VW can tow 1/2 a ton and still gets better gas than a hybrid SUV. I just can't stand ford's comercial marketing like that stupid one where it shows a truck lift a big-rig using a winch. What they didn't advertise is that for every loop that you make using a winch, it cuts the original weight in half; at least 4 loops are used in the comercial, making the truck tow a normal load, it's nothing that special. I just hate their marketing ploys.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 24, 2006, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: the all(-mighty Billy
Bush absolutely needed a big reason to attack...look how many people are still opposed to the war despite what terrorists have done to the US. And whats a couple people here and there when one is considering billions of dollars worth of natural resources.
Actually, in Loose Change, there's a section that they took from http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/forums/, which someone posted the articles and documents that Donald Rumsfeld and the PNAC stated:
Quote
A “core mission” for the transformed U.S. military is to “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars,” according to the PNAC.

The strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination would require a huge increase in defense spending to “a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually,” the PNAC plan said.

“The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Source:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html


Quote from: the all-mighty Billy
Well my say on this is based on the fact this has been posted on a public forum. And you know nothing about my life so maybe YOU should sit the fuck down, because I never actually personally attacked you in the first place I simply stated that I was in agreement with Iceman. And even if I liked you, I still wouldn't care whether you wanted me here or not...I'm staying!
DAMN RIGHT.  Stay!:)  I love getting banned from Republican political forums, who's soul purpose is to "retain the liberties of American's and other countries, as well as allowing the free flow of opinions."  Nothing better than getting banned by a bunch of un-educated hypocrites violating my first amendment right.  hahhahaha

Calling our country a terrorist organization was not out of line, considering that by definition, it is.  I never said anything about the intentions of soldiers, or anyone else in it.  Just stated a definition, and used "we" as a country.  Therefore, not an insult, because that's stating a FACT (swifty).




And I'll add to what Bush is working towards helping:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060131-6.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/05/17/086615.html
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Snake Pliskin on April 24, 2006, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
  You are a nurse...Yet your husband is the bigest pothead I've ever seen.


Thats funny fucktard cause I don't smoke, like I said before it is for recreational purposes only. Now that I am back at work it is pretty simple ......  hmmmmmmm let me see 6 figures or pot??  Maybe when you grow up and get out of mommy and daddy's house you might understand life; that is if u can pull your head out of your ass.The funny thing is 99% of your clan thinks your an assclown to begin with cause you seem to be an expert on everything anybody has an opinion about. I think your new title for the clan should be "Clan Drama Queen" you fit the description very well. Why Daddy puts up with your shit i have no idea, must be his cousins kid or something (no offence Daddy), cause you sure as hell do nothing for this clan but stir up shit. I guess there has to be a fucktard in every group may as well be you, cause you sure have mastered it.
BTW: Hi everyone else, except the fucktards 1,2 and 3. :)
-=3v0=- Sn4k3
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on April 24, 2006, 10:51:21 PM
ROFL snake, sup bro
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Rat on April 25, 2006, 12:14:55 AM
I still can't believe that you think that those planes didn't crash. There are hundreds on photos of plane wreckage of plane parts, luggage and pieces of human remains including eye witnesses of the crashes. If you want the web sites I can send then to you, as long as you send an apology back.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Boemann (nl) on April 25, 2006, 05:07:16 AM
hey snake :) hows it going, tell insane to unban me from your ventrilo. I don't give a shit about being banned from the site, but I did nothing wrong on ventrilo (neither on the site) but now devil has to go on the mafia vent every time he's online with me. thats kinda stupid.


Ok off topic, lol, but more posts are :D
Title: Terrorism
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on April 25, 2006, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
If people really wanna solve the gas prices, outlaw trucks, SUV's, and Fords. No one really needs these kinds of hideous vehicles, and for those who absolutely need a truck for work, go buy an 80's Datsun. Those things last forever and pull anything. Oh, and outlaw Hummers, especially the H2, what a disgusting looking tupperware-container on wheels.



You don't really *need* a computer, a TV, or a stereo.  Theres no reason why you couldn't replace them with an abacus, a book, or a guitar.  In fact, if you got rid of them, you would cut down on your hideous electricity consumption, which would cut down on energy costs.  

No one needs 99% of the garbage that fills most of your lives.  Eat fast food, get rich quick, spend less, get more, EZ financing, buy, super size, consume, and most of all, conform.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on April 25, 2006, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
You don't really *need* a computer, a TV, or a stereo.  Theres no reason why you couldn't replace them with an abacus, a book, or a guitar.  In fact, if you got rid of them, you would cut down on your hideous electricity consumption, which would cut down on energy costs.  

No one needs 99% of the garbage that fills most of your lives.  Eat fast food, get rich quick, spend less, get more, EZ financing, buy, super size, consume, and most of all, conform.

that is all true but those things, all of that which people want, but dont need, its what makes America, America. which is why the USA is the #1 superpower in the world. Those things that people want give others jobs, which is why most people can buy what they want. and the circle just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on April 25, 2006, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
that is all true but those things, all of that which people want, but dont need, its what makes America, America. which is why the USA is the #1 superpower in the world. Those things that people want give others jobs, which is why most people can buy what they want. and the circle just keeps getting bigger and bigger.



If you think so.  Where do you think your buying power is going to come from in 25 years when America manufactures hardly anything?  Perhaps you can get some table scraps from the rich elites who sold out the middle class in favor of cheap third world labor.

Most people can't 'buy' what they want.  Most people can finance what they want.  That isn't the same thing.

"Those things that people want" are largely manufactured overseas now.  So certainly, your 80 dollar shoes that cost 50 cents to make provided a job for an 11 year old Chinese kid that makes 5 cents an hour.  Is the circle of wealth getting huge or what?

By the way, your version of America has existed for about 35 years, and really gained its foothold in the last 25, and is largely a by product of our TV culture.  Prior to roughly the 1960's most people preferred durable goods that had some intrinsic value other than the arbitrary value assigned to it by hip marketing campaigns, and didn't place as much value on a person's possessions.  People didn't buy poorly made garbage in an attempt to appear as cool as the gyrating(and carefully scripted) negro with various consumer goods in his hand that you see in commercials.

If you think this 'circle' you describe will keep increasing ad infinitum, you're wrong.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 25, 2006, 01:45:45 PM
We will be returning to that era soon. We are already beginning to see high inflation because the CPA has increased 3 points in the last year. It always does this. We will be looking at another recession soon mark my words. This is another reason why the idea that the government was behind 9/11 is crazy. It makes since why the terriorists would want to attack NYC. Its the location and heart of the economy. The French did it in 1975 with some what of a success. If you dont know what Im talking about the French horded American dollars during the Vietnam war and then as we were trying to pull out they wanted to exchage our money for gold. Thats why we dropped the gold standard in '75. The collapse of economy means collapse of the nation. Just ask the Romans what happend when they lost their silver mines. They know they cant beat us with technology, they know they cant beat our numbers. So they hit us where they thought they could destroy us. The WORLD TRADE CENTER. The heart and soul of the US economy. It makes since.

Also what you are saying contradics what you are accusing. You are saying that Bush is just going after oil and trying to use 9/11 as a cover to go to war. You've said Bush is a retard...but are you saying he's a really good actor? Come on....his laugh has got to be proof enough that hes not faking. He has had good intentions the whole way though. Now as far as the plan and execution of the plan is under par in my belief. I would never question his intentions though. Iceman you need to go to college first before you support these ideas. Trust me you'll learn a lot more than you think you know now.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 25, 2006, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper

Also what you are saying contradics what you are accusing. You are saying that Bush is just going after oil and trying to use 9/11 as a cover to go to war. You've said Bush is a retard...but are you saying he's a really good actor? Come on....his laugh has got to be proof enough that hes not faking. He has had good intentions the whole way though. Now as far as the plan and execution of the plan is under par in my belief. I would never question his intentions though. Iceman you need to go to college first before you support these ideas. Trust me you'll learn a lot more than you think you know now.

I still find it hilarious that i have relatives who don't even live in the US and have better grammer/english than Bush does. Total BS that he graduated from Harvard or Yale or wherever he went.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on April 25, 2006, 02:33:22 PM
No ones poor, they are just to lazy to do anything with their lives....
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 25, 2006, 02:58:41 PM
It's a lost cause on this forum.  I'm speaking to those who relay information, such as yourself Snyper.  You're like a French soldier in WWI.  Practically a sheep in the heard.  Your general tells you to jump up into no man's land, and run towards the enemy attempting attrition, and you say "ok."  The machine guns manned by 10-15 people then mow down hundreds of soldiers.  If the government told you to jump, you'd say "how high".

Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
It makes since.
Nope... it makes SENSE.  Since is usually an association with a distance from (since)... a point in time.


Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Also what you are saying contradics what you are accusing. You are saying that Bush is just going after oil and trying to use 9/11 as a cover to go to war. You've said Bush is a retard...but are you saying he's a really good actor? Come on....his laugh has got to be proof enough that hes not faking. He has had good intentions the whole way though. Now as far as the plan and execution of the plan is under par in my belief. I would never question his intentions though.
Contradicts, and yes, when in a debate, spelling and punctuation are important as a way of showing your level of profession.

What did I contradict myself on?  When did I say he was a good actor?  Why wouldn't you question his intentions.  The first thing you are supposed to do is ask questions.  The only way you can find facts out are by asking questions.

Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
Iceman you need to go to college first before you support these ideas. Trust me you'll learn a lot more than you think you know now.
And yet, you support my "one-sided" theory yet again.  Thank you for all the help on this, but really, I got it handled.  If you have looked into the "conspirators" theory, and if you were a good researcher, you would always check the source.  A large chunk of "conspirators," are college kids, or tend to be in the upper-class of education.  Basically, what you told me, is that college will help bring thoughts together.  So, congrats, thanks for proving to me that the general conspirator is an educated person who has solid evidence because of their education, allowing them to make a clean arguement.:)

College is a tool that will start the general analysis process if you aren't putting your brain to use already.  I am not the average child...  I've matured much quicker by being forced to take on higher responsibiliti es at earlier ages.  The fact that one of your arguements against me, is my age, is rediculous.  I'm one of the only 16 year old kids who even looks into politics.  The age of "conspirators" tend to be in there 20's and up, and the education level as higher college graduates.  Who is argueing for your side?  Many of those who don't support conspiratorist theories and argue against it have a lower education.  Many of them, went straight to the military after highschool, probably not able to get a damn good education in college.  The people who run your arguement, are the ones who you should be questioning the validity of.

Want some background knowledge on my thought process?  Here's some of my reading material that I've covered on my own:
Aristotle: On Dreams, On Generation and Corruption, On Interpretation, On Sense and Sensible, On the Heavens, On Physics, On Politics
Plato: Laws and Statesman
Thomas Hobbes -  Leviathan
George  Berkeley - Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge
If I'm correct, a lot of that is read in college, and helps to form a basis of your thought process, analyzing, and concluding.  Now, I realize that what I think now will change.  I used to think that girls had cuties and I'd never change!  Change is imminent, and unavoidable.  My friends who bitch about their parents not letting them stay out past 1:00 in the morning... there thoughts will change.  They'll have kids, and then they'll think of the safety they want for them, and do the same as their parents did, despite there feelings of when they were taught.  At least I acknowledge it.


[SIZE="2"]Ratman:[/SIZE]
Quote from: Ratman
I still can't believe that you think that those planes didn't crash. There are hundreds on photos of plane wreckage of plane parts, luggage and pieces of human remains including eye witnesses of the crashes. If you want the web sites I can send then to you, as long as you send an apology back.
Yes, please, post them up on the forums!  I'm considering this a debate right now, and the only way any of us can learn anything, is to post what we got.  Hopefully what I say will rub off on some of you, and hopefully you can show me something that will rub off on me.  What I've been saying this WHOLE time, is SHOW ME.  Show me a plane hitting the Pentagon.  Show me plane parts at the Pentagon.  Show me a plane at Shanksville.  Hell, show me body parts from Shanksville, considering the fact that the corener had nothing to inspect.

And, if you do have pictures of wreckage from the Pentagon, or wreckage at Shanksville, then the government contradicted themselves.  Congrats!  There's wreckage!  Then why the hell did they tell us that BOTH planes were incinerated upon impact?  When we can clearly see that there is wreckage to be examined.  The wreckage would have been destroyed if it were to be incinerated, so why would they say that?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 25, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
I still find it hilarious that i have relatives who don't even live in the US and have better grammer/english than Bush does. Total BS that he graduated from Harvard or Yale or wherever he went.

Agreed.  Also, why is that the current governor of Texas is STILL trying to pull Texas' education out of the whole... when our "literate" president who has such a higher class education ran it before becoming president?


Quote from: Kraut
No ones poor, they are just to lazy to do anything with their lives....

Wrong.  I've been poor.  Children who are born into an area where they have nothing, and are helpless, are poor.  I believe that there are no poor adults, only bad decisions.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 25, 2006, 03:49:12 PM
Oh please, don't use a couple grammar mistakes against me. It's a forum, I was writing quickly. Call me lazy if you want. Im in one of the top schools in the nations. I don't respond to ignorant comments like your "how high" Bs. Yes age has everything to do with it. So does intelligence. You learn more as you get older. It has nothing to do with the "age of conspirators". Ok...so you are more "mature" than most the kids your age because you look into politics? You aren't old enough to understand the ins and outs of politics. It's more than what you think. You are just a know it all teenager who says something before he understands it. You show me proof that what you are saying is valid. If you can't then you had better quit talking crap about Bush because he outsmarted you. You don’t have any solid proof of anything. You have a model of a plane flying into the pentagon. What does that prove? Iceman, turn around and see what you've learned in the last 6 yrs. Think about what you will learn in the next 6 years. Do you think someone dug a huge hole in the ground...and wasn't smart enough to plant a plane there?! HELLO!! You aren't dealing with Frank from the junk yard. You think they are keeping the public from knowing some of the details?? YEAH...they are!! Do you want the public to know about our secret technology? Do you want the public to know where we keep all of our oil reserves? Do you want the public to have the floor plans to Fort Knox? If Bush wanted a war, there were a lot better ways to go about getting it. There are too many eye witnesses, two that I know personally. I’ve spoken with President Bush. I’ve heard and researched both sides. It is still crazy. I wouldn't jump for anyone but my friends and family. If you could deal with all the pressure that he's had to go though any better Id love to see you try. Take a look at pictures from him 5 yrs ago to now. He looks beat up. Your theory is biased and has no physical backing. It's all speculation. Frankly, it's even more crazy than the staged man on the moon theory. Im done.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 25, 2006, 04:20:33 PM
You are a dumb ass.


End of story.  If you're not going to even read, or look, at anything I put up, I won't bother showing it.

I clearly have read your stuff, showing how I've answered what you've wanted to see multiple times, and I've quoted everything you've said, and replied.  Wish you would do the same, but you don't have 1/2 the intellectual capacity that it takes.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 25, 2006, 04:28:03 PM
I concur ThaSnyper, but atleast iceman is trying to understand and is looking at the facts and forming his own opinion. And as for Snake and Billy, you make me laugh.  Drama?  This is the closest thing to drama that there has been in months, and it happens to go down when you show up.  You dont know me so don't act like it.  And Billy if you were just agreeing with icemans opinion on the thread then you dont quote only what he said ABOUT ME.  If you have a problem with me and want to become involved in a discussion you definatly werent in, then PM me and I am more then happy to talk in a calm way.  I dont hold a grudge even against you snake, but you've yet to demonstrate an ounce of understanding towards other people.   I am going to close this thread (If any admin disagrees with me reopen it I dont care) because I know for a fact somone is going to reply, and this is all going to be one big shit talking fest and I'm sure everyone is seeing it comming.  If anyone has a problem take it to PM's, if somone has a problem with a member, take it to the admins.  Its that simple.  Take notice that I am not closing this thread with any insults to anyones person I just dont want this to get out of hand.  Iceman, if you want I'd recomend you start another thread or maybe even ask for another forum to discuss current events and politics as it makes for interesting discussion but we need to keep it at just that, discussion not a flame fest.  I respect Icemans opinion even though I happen to disagree with it.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on April 25, 2006, 04:48:38 PM
Iceman get 100,000 dollars and buy a forclosure house and make 60 grande profit a month from buying and reselling poor peoples houses and see how rich you get.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on April 25, 2006, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Iceman get 100,000 dollars and buy a forclosure house and make 60 grande profit a month from buying and reselling poor peoples houses and see how rich you get.

it doesnt always work that way. lol
Title: owned
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on April 25, 2006, 05:17:06 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
...when in a debate, spelling and punctuation are important as a way of showing your level of profession.

Well my level of profession is a school teacher, and part of that profession is correcting language mistakes (spelling, capitalizion, puncuation, grammar).  SINCE you had to point out ThaSnyper's, I only thought it'd be fair that I point out a few of yours.......

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
I'm speaking to those who relay information, such as (1)yourself Snyper. You're like a French soldier in WWI. (2) Practically a sheep in the heard. Your general tells you to jump up into no man's land, and run (3)towards the enemy attempting attrition, and you say "ok."...If the government told you to jump, you'd say (4)"how high".

(1)"you"  (2) not a sentence  (3) "toward"  (4)"how high."

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
Nope... it makes SENSE. Since is usually an association with a distance (5)from (since)... a point in time.

(5)"form"

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
The only way you can find facts out (6)are by asking questions.

(6)"is"

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
So, (7)congrats, thanks for proving to me that the general conspirator is an educated person who has solid evidence because of their education, allowing them to make a clean (8) arguement.

(7) "congratulation s"  (8) "argument"

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
The fact that one of your (9) arguements against me, is my age, is (10)rediculous. I'm one of the only (11)16 year old kids who even looks into politics. The (12)age of "conspirators" tend to be in (13)there 20's and up, and the education level as higher college graduates.

(9)"arguments"  (10)"ridiculous"  (11)"16-year-old" -(12)"ages"  (13)"their"

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
Who is (14)argueing for your side? Many of those who don't support (15)conspiratorist theories and argue against it have a lower education. Many of them(16), went straight to the military after highschool, probably not able to get a (17)damn good education in college. The people who run your (18)arguement(19), are the ones (19)who you should be questioning the validity (20)of.

(14)"arguing"  (15)"conspirators'"  (16)not needed  (17)"damn" = not proper debate language  (18)"argument"  (19)not needed  (20)not correct to end a sentence with a preposition

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
My friends who (21)bitch about their parents not letting them stay out past 1:00 in the morning... (22)there thoughts will change. They'll have kids, and then they'll think of the safety they want for them, and do the same as their parents did, despite (23)there feelings of when they were taught. At least I acknowledge it.

(21)"bitch" = not proper debate language  (22) & (23)"their"

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
 (24)Hell, show me body parts from Shanksville, considering the fact that the (25)corener had nothing to inspect...  (26)Congrats! There's wreckage! Then why the (27)hell did they tell us that BOTH planes were incinerated upon impact? (28)When we can clearly see that there is wreckage to be examined.

(24) & (27)"hell" = not proper debate language  (25)"coroner"  (26)"congratulation s"  (28)not a sentence

There might be some more, those are just the ones I noticed.  I know I'm not perfect either, we all make mistakes, but when you point out someone else's, be prepared to take it back.  

By the way, I am not taking sides on this political debate/issue/argument, whatever you want to call it, but I do find it interesting...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 25, 2006, 05:24:01 PM
Owned lol.  I still love iceypoo!
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on April 25, 2006, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
it doesnt always work that way. lol


My dad made his first million from doing this
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on April 25, 2006, 07:11:55 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
My dad made his first million from doing this
he was lucky then, im not saying it doesnt work all the time.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 25, 2006, 07:21:43 PM
Thanks Beetle...I wasn't going to go there. Thanks bud.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 25, 2006, 08:04:42 PM
Yes, I just got owned.


And Kraut, where do you suppose the poor kids who show no credit line, no knowledge or experience of the work force... etc... get $100,000?  It's not like they can just go out and get a loan.


That's why I say there are no poor adults... only poor children.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 25, 2006, 08:19:16 PM
so you're saying the adult Hobo's i see when i go to LA all over the Santa Monica pier aren't poor? They look grown up to me, and i think they lack money....and a house. Chris and  laaz will know what i'm talking about, it's a crappy neigborhood.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Wisma ~Atria on April 25, 2006, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
It's a lost cause on this forum.  I'm speaking to those who relay information, such as yourself Snyper.  You're like a French soldier in WWI.  Practically a sheep in the heard.  Your general tells you to jump up into no man's land, and run towards the enemy attempting attrition, and you say "ok."  The machine guns manned by 10-15 people then mow down hundreds of soldiers.  If the government told you to jump, you'd say "how high".


Nope... it makes SENSE.  Since is usually an association with a distance from (since)... a point in time.



Contradicts, and yes, when in a debate, spelling and punctuation are important as a way of showing your level of profession.

What did I contradict myself on?  When did I say he was a good actor?  Why wouldn't you question his intentions.  The first thing you are supposed to do is ask questions.  The only way you can find facts out are by asking questions.


And yet, you support my "one-sided" theory yet again.  Thank you for all the help on this, but really, I got it handled.  If you have looked into the "conspirators" theory, and if you were a good researcher, you would always check the source.  A large chunk of "conspirators," are college kids, or tend to be in the upper-class of education.  Basically, what you told me, is that college will help bring thoughts together.  So, congrats, thanks for proving to me that the general conspirator is an educated person who has solid evidence because of their education, allowing them to make a clean arguement.:)

College is a tool that will start the general analysis process if you aren't putting your brain to use already.  I am not the average child...  I've matured much quicker by being forced to take on higher responsibiliti es at earlier ages.  The fact that one of your arguements against me, is my age, is rediculous.  I'm one of the only 16 year old kids who even looks into politics.  The age of "conspirators" tend to be in there 20's and up, and the education level as higher college graduates.  Who is argueing for your side?  Many of those who don't support conspiratorist theories and argue against it have a lower education.  Many of them, went straight to the military after highschool, probably not able to get a damn good education in college.  The people who run your arguement, are the ones who you should be questioning the validity of.

Want some background knowledge on my thought process?  Here's some of my reading material that I've covered on my own:
Aristotle: On Dreams, On Generation and Corruption, On Interpretation, On Sense and Sensible, On the Heavens, On Physics, On Politics
Plato: Laws and Statesman
Thomas Hobbes -  Leviathan
George  Berkeley - Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge
If I'm correct, a lot of that is read in college, and helps to form a basis of your thought process, analyzing, and concluding.  Now, I realize that what I think now will change.  I used to think that girls had cuties and I'd never change!  Change is imminent, and unavoidable.  My friends who bitch about their parents not letting them stay out past 1:00 in the morning... there thoughts will change.  They'll have kids, and then they'll think of the safety they want for them, and do the same as their parents did, despite there feelings of when they were taught.  At least I acknowledge it.


[SIZE="2"]Ratman:[/SIZE]

Yes, please, post them up on the forums!  I'm considering this a debate right now, and the only way any of us can learn anything, is to post what we got.  Hopefully what I say will rub off on some of you, and hopefully you can show me something that will rub off on me.  What I've been saying this WHOLE time, is SHOW ME.  Show me a plane hitting the Pentagon.  Show me plane parts at the Pentagon.  Show me a plane at Shanksville.  Hell, show me body parts from Shanksville, considering the fact that the corener had nothing to inspect.

And, if you do have pictures of wreckage from the Pentagon, or wreckage at Shanksville, then the government contradicted themselves.  Congrats!  There's wreckage!  Then why the hell did they tell us that BOTH planes were incinerated upon impact?  When we can clearly see that there is wreckage to be examined.  The wreckage would have been destroyed if it were to be incinerated, so why would they say that?


WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT?! French soldiers on the front lines? I always thought the front line was always behind the french's full retreat. which I have a hard time finding on my tv
Title: nukes
Post by: [TBD] General Patton on April 25, 2006, 09:32:02 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
Kill'em all and let god sort them out.


I agree with bonehead, our taxes bought nukes...USE EM!!!!!!!!
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 25, 2006, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
so you're saying the adult Hobo's i see when i go to LA all over the Santa Monica pier aren't poor? They look grown up to me, and i think they lack money....and a house. Chris and  laaz will know what i'm talking about, it's a crappy neigborhood.

Yeah, I haven't had a chance to go there yet, but according to what I've been able to do as a kid, and I've seen others achieve as kids/adults, I can't think of any other reason than bad choices or lazyness to be poor.  I work my ass off not to be, and none of them should get a free ride either.:)


Wisma --- World War I... that I was referring to there.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Capsloc on April 25, 2006, 11:39:06 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
so you're saying the adult Hobo's i see when i go to LA all over the Santa Monica pier aren't poor? They look grown up to me, and i think they lack money....and a house. Chris and  laaz will know what i'm talking about, it's a crappy neigborhood.

yeah freaking bums everywhere. like on the freeway exits. always asking for money.  i mean they can at least try to work. but all they do is just ask for money which they will most likely spend on pot.  but yeah some hood's are pretty messed up over here.
in the next election i say hillary clinton might get it. since condie already stated that she will not run for prez.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Milky Way on April 25, 2006, 11:42:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ChrisDaKilla
yeah freaking bums everywhere. like on the freeway exits. always asking for money.  i mean they can at least try to work. but all they do is just ask for money which they will most likely spend on pot.  but yeah some hood's are pretty messed up over here.
in the next election i say hillary clinton might get it. since condie already stated that she will not run for prez.


lol their mindset is why bother working if the people are actually dumb enough to give them money... if you look at a average on how much a bum in new york makes weekly its a nice chunk of change
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on April 26, 2006, 03:57:10 AM
Is anybody going to back up ICEMAN, it seems most of you like George Bush and support the war over there.  I think its good that we back our president and his decision, but I also think its ok to disagree at times as long as we are civilized and just with it.  Anyway, like I said I don't really have a say on this, but it seems like its everyone vs. him.  

As far as Election 2008 goes, the top Democratic nominee is Hillary Clinton, followed by John Edwards, John Kerry, and Al Gore.  The Republican nominees are Condoleezza Rice, John McCain, and Rudy Giuliani.  I know I'm missing a few key names so help me out please.  Here are some links if you're interested:

(I just googled "Election 2008")
http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm
http://election2008.tom-hanna.org/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Election%202008--Kerry,%20Clinton,%20Rice.htm
http://thedemocraticagenda.blogspot.com/2005/01/election-2008-republican-presidential.html

The topic of this is terrorism, anyone have any more pics or links or whatever?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 26, 2006, 07:07:04 AM
Id vote for John McCain any day of the week. He has been though so much, and Im sure has the most understanding of any of them. Hes not afraid to go on shows like the Daily Show. He just says it the way it is. We need someone as president with some balls. I think he has a huge set. Rudy would be good too I think.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 26, 2006, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Is anybody going to back up ICEMAN, it seems most of you like George Bush and support the war over there.  I think its good that we back our president and his decision, but I also think its ok to disagree at times as long as we are civilized and just with it.  Anyway, like I said I don't really have a say on this, but it seems like its everyone vs. him.  
Yeah, I kind of expected that.  I quit simply because I thoroughly responed and read every bit of information that some people put out, quoted, and answered questions, but from the replies I got back, nobody read what I had to say.  I must have answered the same questions multiple times in there.  As I've said the whole time, many people on here only take into account one-side.  Not reading what I post and sticking to your own is... one-sided just to let you all know.  I read your side, I got your argument.

As far as the 2008 elections go, I'm really pushing for a Democratic candidate.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ThaSnyper on April 26, 2006, 08:05:04 AM
I still love you Icepoo. The reason why I didnt reply to yours is becuase Ive heard that side already before. Id already looked into it but there is just too much supporting evidence for the other. Im not talking just from a political stance either. Im talking from a economic and socioeconomic stance as well. Just too many items in your theory don't add up.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on April 26, 2006, 01:54:16 PM
John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, hmm I could'nt choose.  Probably McCain because I dont think hes as much of a religious nutjob as some republicans are.  Thats the only point I dont share with republicans is the massive focus on religion.  Wheres the libertarian nominee?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 26, 2006, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ThaSnyper
I still love you Icepoo. The reason why I didnt reply to yours is becuase Ive heard that side already before. Id already looked into it but there is just too much supporting evidence for the other. Im not talking just from a political stance either. Im talking from a economic and socioeconomic stance as well. Just too many items in your theory don't add up.

Same to you.  I've heard your stance time and time again when I invade republican forums, or just engage in a debate with someone who believes what you do.  Does that mean that I'm still not going to read, listen, and reply to what you say?

I should have just said from the get-go, I've heard your argument time and time again before, so I'm not going to read what you write.:)   That way I wouldn't have wasted quite a bit of time writing out responses.

My side doesn't add up?  I believe it does... the inconsistencie s in the side your taking are blatently obvious.  If you go as general as the WTT were the economic center... then of course your side will make perfect sense.


Love you too Snyper:)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 26, 2006, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, hmm I could'nt choose.  Probably McCain because I dont think hes as much of a religious nutjob as some republicans are.  Thats the only point I dont share with republicans is the massive focus on religion.  Wheres the libertarian nominee?

I agree, there's nothing wrong with religion, but the republicans are able to bring it into every little thing they talk about. It's also annoying when they say stupid things like God hates gays because they're different. Another dumb thing that the religious nutjob said was to assasinate a south-american pres. because he doesn't like the guy. They annoy me.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on April 26, 2006, 09:52:34 PM
Anyone care for a religious debate?


I'll take the side of athiesm.  It doesn't even need to be about wether you believe in god or not, but more or so the fact of the affect of religion.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Elliott Smith on April 27, 2006, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Milky Way
lol their mindset is why bother working if the people are actually dumb enough to give them money... if you look at a average on how much a bum in new york makes weekly its a nice chunk of change


1/4 of homeless people have Schizophrenia.  So, let's not claim we know their mindsets.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on April 27, 2006, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
1/4 of homeless people have Schizophrenia.  So, let's not claim we know their mindsets.

Where i live there's been a big scandal with the hospitals not accepting the homeless people. They don't want to front the bill themselves, so the hospitals drop them off at the homeless shelter after they're closed; the homeless people end up being found the next day dead either frozen or beaten. People are so fucked up towards other people when there's money involved.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: MadMedic on May 01, 2006, 04:23:09 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, hmm I could'nt choose.  Probably McCain because I dont think hes as much of a religious nutjob as some republicans are.  Thats the only point I dont share with republicans is the massive focus on religion.  Wheres the libertarian nominee?

My dad is a law partner with Rudy Giuliani...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 01, 2006, 08:26:02 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* MadMedic
Bush may not be doing the right thing, but he is not a terrorist because he is killing for a reason not over religion


I think religion may have a larger part in this than you think!  The media doesn't want to state this but there are alliances in this war also.  Isreal being the biggest.  We have always supported Isreal (Christian) and this is a driving force in terrorism.  Christians must die is there way of thinking.  If you want to debate religion in the war I would be glad to.  PM me.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 01, 2006, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
If people really wanna solve the gas prices, outlaw trucks, SUV's, and Fords. No one really needs these kinds of hideous vehicles, and for those who absolutely need a truck for work, go buy an 80's Datsun. Those things last forever and pull anything. Oh, and outlaw Hummers, especially the H2, what a disgusting looking tupperware-container on wheels.


Here we go again.  Someone that wants govt. control over what we can and can't buy.  If you want to get rid of these types of vheicle's convince everyone to buy something else.  I guarantee that if there is no money in it that they will stop being made.  We need less govt. control here Wasser.  

Ohh yeah and my Ford escort gets 31 MPG.

Quote from: *MAFIA* WasserfallerWh ere i live there's been a big scandal with the hospitals not accepting the homeless people. They don't want to front the bill themselves, so the hospitals drop them off at the homeless shelter after they're closed; the homeless people end up being found the next day dead either frozen or beaten. People are so fucked up towards other people when there's money involved.
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I think you must be talking about Canada.  Im sorry but it is illegal to deny anyone medical aid.  Even if you can't pay for it.  I know I am not going to loose my job, house , etc because I fail to render medical aid.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: MadMedic on May 01, 2006, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Where i live there's been a big scandal with the hospitals not accepting the homeless people. They don't want to front the bill themselves, so the hospitals drop them off at the homeless shelter after they're closed; the homeless people end up being found the next day dead either frozen or beaten. People are so fucked up towards other people when there's money involved.

Thats illegal immigrants... they are not protected by Constitutional laws, so hospitals have no need to use the legal taxpayers dollars to help criminals.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 01, 2006, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
Here we go again.  Someone that wants govt. control over what we can and can't buy.  If you want to get rid of these types of vheicle's convince everyone to buy something else.  I guarantee that if there is no money in it that they will stop being made.  We need less govt. control here Wasser.  Ohh yeah and my Ford escort gets 31 MPG.

I think you must be talking about Canada.  Im sorry but it is illegal to deny anyone medical aid.  Even if you can't pay for it.  I know I am not going to loose my job, house , etc because I fail to render medical aid.

I'm talking about trucks. We do need more governmental control if it's causing people to buy overconsumptiv e monstrosities that they don't need. I wish i could persuade people to buy something else, but they're so blinded by the fact that they can do "sick mobbing in my sweet-ass ride!" <----Bakersfield mentality. For them to stop making it, the consumers have to stop buying it, and as long as there's sand and the central coast, these idiots won't get the message that they're wasting money and oil; they just don't get it. You could spell it out to them like you were talking to a 3 year old, and they still wouldn't get it, believe me.

No, i'm talking about california. The reason why it's such a big deal is because it's a scandal.  That means it's something that shouldn't be happening, but it is. It's illegal to deny aid to them, but they do it anyway. In the early-mid 90's there was a big problem with this in LA also. I have no hard evidence because i don't want to look on the internet to find it, but my mom is a nurse and she gets these stories from co-workers who experienced this stuff first hand.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on May 01, 2006, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you think so.  Where do you think your buying power is going to come from in 25 years when America manufactures hardly anything?  Perhaps you can get some table scraps from the rich elites who sold out the middle class in favor of cheap third world labor.

"Those things that people want" are largely manufactured overseas now.  So certainly, your 80 dollar shoes that cost 50 cents to make provided a job for an 11 year old Chinese kid that makes 5 cents an hour.  Is the circle of wealth getting huge or what?

even so, the big corperations still have american workers, of course they use third world parties to make their products, its comparable from $6.50 to $.05 and hour, which would you rather pay? If your saying that the corperations are soley making the money, well obviously id have to disagree, but i do agree that they are making the most of of what they do, obviously... but thats what makes America competitive. And the ones who are getting screwed are the lower American workers, but its their own fault fro not finishing high school, or not going to college, but someone i guess has to do their jobs.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on May 01, 2006, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
even so, the big corperations still have american workers, of course they use third world parties to make their products, its comparable from $6.50 to $.05 and hour, which would you rather pay? If your saying that the corperations are soley making the money, well obviously id have to disagree, but i do agree that they are making the most of of what they do, obviously... but thats what makes America competitive. And the ones who are getting screwed are the lower American workers, but its their own fault fro not finishing high school, or not going to college, but someone i guess has to do their jobs.



If you think importing cheap, throwaway goods, moving jobs and operations overseas, and undercutting the middle class is what makes America competitive, you have a really poor understanding of economics, and what makes a country economically strong.

You obviously haven't spent much time in the real world if you think that the middle class is comprised of 'lower American workers,' and that its 'their fault' for not completing high school or going to college.  Some people enjoy working with their hands.  You yourself might give it some consideration, because I'm not sure what type of white collar job you envision for yourself at your literacy level.   I also see that you have blue collar confused with fast food workers, its a common problem among children of afluent parents.  It comes from thinking of people who labor for a living as 'those people.'

You seem to think that each class exists in a vacuum, when in reality they're all dependent on each other.  Destroy one, and the rest will follow.  In 25 years America will be a country much like Brazil, where the small rich minority gets richer and the huge mass of 'lower workers' learns to live with their lot in life.  

Paying third worlders to make goods doesn't decrease their cost, it simply increases the profit margin for the corporation.  If you had bothered to check inflation statistics for 50 years ago, when far, far fewer goods were imported and there were no supergiantmega stores with their super cool mind control advertising, and nearly all manufactured goods were manufactured domestically, you would see that buying power was far higher, and while people appeared to make less, they also had much more purchasing power for each given dollar.  So I would rather buy goods that are made by Americans, at American living wages, for apparently higher prices, because when taken as a whole it strengthens the economy and our standard of living.  In 1950 the average annual income was nearly 10,000, and you could buy a car that was made of steel, and would last 50 years for 2000 dollars.  In 2000 the average income was 42,000, and today you're hard pressed to find a car that will last 15 years, and contains large amounts of plastic and other cheap materials for 20,000 grand.  That means in 1950, you could buy a durable car for 1/5 your annual income.  Today, you can buy a piece of shit for 1/2 your annual income, which barely anyone can afford outright and end up financing it(usury), and unless its a ricer it probably won't go 15 years without a major mechanical malfunction(tranny/engine/diff).  

None of this even matters because in 50 years America will have Balkanized, I will be known as the Atomic Fuhrer of Alaska, China will be the dominant World power, and Europe will be largely Islamic.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 01, 2006, 07:19:06 PM
GWAR you can thank the govt for all the plastics in cars.  1st off its lighter and therefore increases fuel economy.  2nd its easily recycled.  3rd it can be as strong as steel when prepared properly.  As a professional in cars from manufacture to destruction I think I know a little about this one.  Also the govt charges high terrifs to import goods so the money that is saved in wages is spent to import.  The money is saved because of taxes and property values.  You can't make any more land!!  If you think paying a Auto manufacturer $45.00 to sit on an assembly line is a reasonable thing than it will not be long before the US stops making automobiles.  You have to go back to school and think about supply and demand.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 01, 2006, 07:21:20 PM
I always like to hear what gwar has to say cause its always against someone and its entertaining :)  But its also so easy to get rich in about 3 years of working your ass and saving up money to invest into other stuff.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on May 01, 2006, 07:37:10 PM
This is the thread that never ends...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 02, 2006, 04:33:28 AM
Chuck Norris could end this thread.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [TBD] Admin/head on May 02, 2006, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you think importing cheap, throwaway goods, moving jobs and operations overseas, and undercutting the middle class is what makes America competitive, you have a really poor understanding of economics, and what makes a country economically strong.

You obviously haven't spent much time in the real world if you think that the middle class is comprised of 'lower American workers,' and that its 'their fault' for not completing high school or going to college.  Some people enjoy working with their hands.  You yourself might give it some consideration, because I'm not sure what type of white collar job you envision for yourself at your literacy level.   I also see that you have blue collar confused with fast food workers, its a common problem among children of afluent parents.  It comes from thinking of people who labor for a living as 'those people.'

You seem to think that each class exists in a vacuum, when in reality they're all dependent on each other.  Destroy one, and the rest will follow.  In 25 years America will be a country much like Brazil, where the small rich minority gets richer and the huge mass of 'lower workers' learns to live with their lot in life.  

Paying third worlders to make goods doesn't decrease their cost, it simply increases the profit margin for the corporation.  If you had bothered to check inflation statistics for 50 years ago, when far, far fewer goods were imported and there were no supergiantmega stores with their super cool mind control advertising, and nearly all manufactured goods were manufactured domestically, you would see that buying power was far higher, and while people appeared to make less, they also had much more purchasing power for each given dollar.  So I would rather buy goods that are made by Americans, at American living wages, for apparently higher prices, because when taken as a whole it strengthens the economy and our standard of living.  In 1950 the average annual income was nearly 10,000, and you could buy a car that was made of steel, and would last 50 years for 2000 dollars.  In 2000 the average income was 42,000, and today you're hard pressed to find a car that will last 15 years, and contains large amounts of plastic and other cheap materials for 20,000 grand.  That means in 1950, you could buy a durable car for 1/5 your annual income.  Today, you can buy a piece of shit for 1/2 your annual income, which barely anyone can afford outright and end up financing it(usury), and unless its a ricer it probably won't go 15 years without a major mechanical malfunction(tranny/engine/diff).  

None of this even matters because in 50 years America will have Balkanized, I will be known as the Atomic Fuhrer of Alaska, China will be the dominant World power, and Europe will be largely Islamic.



That will never happen to Europe :) I live in Rhineland, the goods their are mostly made in Germany. The chocolate is basicly not even exported.

Anyway about America turning into brazil, I agree. What your saying how the rich will get richer, as the poor get poorer.

It will happen to most countries when a period of about 2022-2050 when Mankind struggles to accumilate its recources correctly. When we do finnaly figure out what to do, it will either be to late, or that only few countries can afford the new form of recource. (As you can probably tell, I am talking about Oil)

It will happen in most of our lifetimes. The best you can do is sit back, relax, and await deportation.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 02, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
What's wrong with being like Brazil? They're practically self sufficient AND they're not dependent on oil (when compared to other countries). Plus, that Chequita Banana lady is hott!

And don't give all the credit to China just yet. India is a comparable rising economic power and will be as much as a competing power as China will be. Plus, China won't be able to do shit until it privatizes its commanding industries. But when it does... look out! Haha =]

I'm not worried, though. It's not like America is going anywhere. If any tension breaks out between the US and China, we'll deal with them like we dealt with the Soviets: just be arrogant until they give up and disarm. Worked like a charm.

((I can see where this thread might go, so I'm going to put this out there:
Please don't say that China will invade the US. Yes, if they did, it would be devastating. But if you're prepared to say that this would happen, then you're looking at WWIII. The UN would separate and hell would break loose. It wouldn't be logical for China to do that.))
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [TBD] Admin/head on May 02, 2006, 10:45:59 AM
Dont brazil use a oil type substance  from their crops?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 12:33:34 PM
You can run riding lawnmowers on wild turkey
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 02, 2006, 12:39:11 PM
okay i know some you dont know me or anything but i found this interesting now i know you ppl dont like when other NOOBS such as my self bitch and complain but My grandma died almost 4 days before this and she was actually being buried at 9:00 when the first tower was hit. Then when the plane crashed in PA we had to leave the funneral in fear of what might happen next. Now i believe although we lost like a total of 2000 US troops the war in IRAG was a good idea also the war in AFGAINISTAN but when you come down to it "FREEDOM ISNT FREE" its those brave men and women who fight and die that keep us here living when you turn around and call THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN COMMUNISM not to accuse but you know what i mean. So dont go well you attack them what do you expect thats just bullshit they attacked us first they PRACTICALLY made war for them self.

Also for another rebuttle wow big words. Okay going back to ww2 when the NAZI war machine took over poland and took all those other countrys if you say well we attacked them thats TERRISM well then millions of ppl JEWS WHITES POWS and many more ppl would have dided we probably wouldent be here so TO CALL THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN DISRESPECT TO THOSE MILLIONS OF ALLIED TROOPS THAT FOUGHT AND DIED TO LIBERATE EUROPE.

     rest my case
ooooh 1 thing my teachers a marine and is going over to IRAG so that means you call him a terrorist to.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 02, 2006, 12:59:49 PM
I haven't heard anything about that kind of oil usage, but what impressed me was that they've already switched to gasoline/ethanol powered cars by using FlexPower technology.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: marine13
okay i know some you dont know me or anything but i found this interesting now i know you ppl dont like when other NOOBS such as my self bitch and complain but My grandma died almost 4 days before this and she was actually being buried at 9:00 when the first tower was hit. Then when the plane crashed in PA we had to leave the funneral in fear of what might happen next. Now i believe although we lost like a total of 2000 US troops the war in IRAG was a good idea also the war in AFGAINISTAN but when you come down to it "FREEDOM ISNT FREE" its those brave men and women who fight and die that keep us here living when you turn around and call THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN COMMUNISM not to accuse but you know what i mean. So dont go well you attack them what do you expect thats just bullshit they attacked us first they PRACTICALLY made war for them self.

Also for another rebuttle wow big words. Okay going back to ww2 when the NAZI war machine took over poland and took all those other countrys if you say well we attacked them thats TERRISM well then millions of ppl JEWS WHITES POWS and many more ppl would have dided we probably wouldent be here so TO CALL THEM TERRORIST THATS JUST PLAN DISRESPECT TO THOSE MILLIONS OF ALLIED TROOPS THAT FOUGHT AND DIED TO LIBERATE EUROPE.

     rest my case
ooooh 1 thing my teachers a marine and is going over to IRAG so that means you call him a terrorist to.

First off, you're an illiterate piece of shit.

2nd off, Ira[SIZE="2"]Q[/SIZE], not Irag you dumb fuck... never attacked us.  Iraqi's didn't do anything to us.  I was all for going for the Taliban in Afghanistan, if they were truely the terrorists who attacked us, but Iraq was a discourse from our position.  We kind of just trailed off... and eventually transferred our troops from Bin Laden, to Saddam, just like that.  WE, INVADED Iraq.  You're saying they attacked us first?  On what circumstances?  Afghanistan, and Iraq, are countries.  The Taliban, is an Islamic extremist group, who we believe attacked us.  Afghanistan, and Iraq, never attacked us, they are just in the general location, of where the Taliban are.  When we invaded Iraq, we were not after the Taliban, we were after Saddam.


So, now that I've contradicted most of what you say, congrats, you're wrong, and you're a dumb fuck.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 03:55:12 PM
Ok this is for all!  There is always a good side and a bad side, and each party or group has one, like the old cowboy movies, theres always that one good guy and then the so called "bad guys",  well ever thought that those bad guys were thinking that the so called good cowboy was bad?  This aspect also pretains to this subject, to us the iraqs are the so called bad guys, but dont you think to them we are the bad guys?  When it all ends, we are all guilty of this act.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 02, 2006, 04:25:14 PM
lol ya i know your right although the calling us terrorist is wrong but really when most of the hijackers came from SADI ARABI i think we should have attacked them cause well think about it. Were does all that money go from all that oil HMMMM.... i wonder so there is no way they are pocketing that so hm.... They must be handing some of it over to the crazy terrorist srry to dought you. But still the calling US terrorist is wrong.But we almost did have a reason to be in iraq the threat of nuclear/biological/mass destruction weapons.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2006, 04:34:27 PM
Kraut --- that's exactly my point!  Thank you for seeing that side!  Even if you have for so long.  I don't think of Iraqi's as terrorists, I think as if I were one, and imagine what we appear to them.  It then makes a lot of sense to me.  We recieve one text book in the United States, one point of view.  I like to read all the text books, and then make my assumptions.



Marine --- you can't just go attack people.  It's called, diplomacy.  If you have something to settle, you should settle it diplomatically, and with words.  This IS possible despite what some people think, it's not a "Utopian" type of stretch.  Saudi Arabia, is an amazingly wealth country.  If you are a citizen there, who follows the book of the Koran, then you have it made.  They treat their citizens extremely well, and if I am correct, the taxes actually go to the people.  Many people think of Saudi Arabia as a "bunch of sand niggers."  Well those "bunch of sand niggers," are some rich, very high class, intelligent motherfuckers that have it made.  That's where that money goes Marine... to the people... do some research on their benefits.

Saudi Arabia, does have a higher level of "terrorists" coming out of their country.  Why?  Put an education, with an extremist following of the Koran, and you have a factory for them.  Now, we assume that 1/2 of them are, but in reality, there's less extremist-fucked-up-Saudi Arabians than there are criminals in one county, of a state, in the US.


It's not wrong to call them anything.  We fit the definition.  If you were an Iraqi, wouldn't you think that it's wrong to have been called a terrorist, when you're the one being invaded?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 04:35:45 PM
Wow.. you just have to much pride in this government that you cant even admit it?  Lets see when have we been terrorists to other nations other than iraq?  Oh ya! Ever heard of the boston tea party?  oh ya and when we rose up against the english?  Well dont you think that iraq is doing the same thing that this countrys fathers did almost 300 years ago?  AND!  We had no right to invade iraq, for the reasons we did, so now dont you think that they may be doing what we did along time ago?  All i can say is jihad away, im supporting em.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 02, 2006, 04:43:14 PM
Okay i admit your right but what the hell you want us to do SIT DOWN AND HAVE FUKING TEA WITH THE CRAZY SON OF BITCHES I CAN BELIEVE IT NOW HERE IS MY LITTLE PLAY.

President of USA/bush:"hey um some one tell osama bin laden i want to have tea with him and settle this."

Osama bin laden: "tell bush yes" 'wispers to the person next to him' (send someone who looks like me their with a piece of C4 in his stomach)

Bush:"okay its on tell him we will meet in sadi arabi in a cafe"

okay setting some cafe in sadi arabi

bush: "hello osama i think you know why i called you here"

Osama" yes i do and the answer is BABOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMM"

THE END this has been a marine13 production '' in the end america is under control of cheney who says:


cheney: "let me go out hunting with them terrorist suns of bitches and i will shoot them in the face damn basterds"
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
Wow are you that retarded?  osama has very few followers anymore, Also the car bombers are the iraqs that are jihading against the invaders?  Ever heard of the almohads?  They did the same thing the iraqs are doing now against the romans. Remember vietnam?  I doubt it, they also did the same that iraq is doing, so stop bitching about oh these terrorists are going to keep killing our troops!  Well its your god dam fought that they are dieing, supporting a government on their decisions, just because some son wants to finish what his father started.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 02, 2006, 04:58:51 PM
okay i am done but what do you want to do if we sit back and let them bomb the hell outa the world we might as well just drop a nuc on our selfs. We need to start a world wide anti terrorist agency yes i know there is one already but we need one that is associated with all kinds of law inforcment agencies CIA, FBI, and local police. We need to get this under control or the world will go to hell and this will be hiting us harder and harder. Atleast they are being bombed in iraq and not the U.S OR THE U.K or germany well really dont know about them but. Ya well there must be something done we cant just sit around and hear everyday 50 more people died today. Tommorow 1000 so on. I think this is some sign that god wants us all to live in peace or he will MAKE ARMEGEADON come quick. Now srry to get into religion but this is a eligous war maybe what we need is another crusade i really dont know as long as bombs arent going off on my streets i dont really care. But when you say dont stick up for your country thats just bull shit. We are rebels i know that the boston tea party us revolting but what would you have done thats the guestion if you live in the US you have the right to expression and freedom of speach.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 05:06:56 PM
YOu dont get the point... Once the iraq police are all trained, we can then begin to pull out, but until then were stuck there, to solve that world wide bombing threat?  its solved cause why will they be jihading then?  They arent being attacked by a foreign country anymore.  And before you get into religion you should actually know abit about it.. GOD never said im gonna kill all of you cause your all terroists..  And Once again that statement

quote "We are rebels i know that the boston tea party us revolting but what would you have done thats the guestion if you live in the US you have the right to expression and freedom of speach."  

Well I just proved my point I believe,  All your saying is that our country is better than everyone else, just because we have the freedom to do things, it doesnt mean that other countrys cant resist us, cause believe it or not, there are also innocient civilians just like you and me over there who are also being killed by these so called "terrorists".
Title: Terrorism
Post by: MacGiraffe on May 02, 2006, 05:09:37 PM
Ice, I support you and I hold the same mindset as you, but I'm also a Berkeley kid, so I guess liberalism is part of my soul. I understand the point of attacking Afghanistan, but I still see no point of the war in Iraq. I just wanted to support Iceman because no one else is and I do feel strong about this subject.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 02, 2006, 05:12:13 PM
marine13, do you want to hear the story of Saudi Arabia? It's a heartwarming tale of power politics, oil, and Osama bin Laden. Just let me know if you want to hear it and I'll post it. I don't want to if I don't have to because I have better things to do than explain world politics to a 13 year old whose teacher is a marine so he thinks he has the answer to everything.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 02, 2006, 05:16:12 PM
No i didnt say that america is better i said " we are rebels yes i know that..." we are rebels if we werent there wouldent be america. Yes i know we need to train the iraqs but the thing is we got to find iraqs that trust us and belive we want peace and not to kill them. Rdicals want to be at the top they dont like that we have freedom they dont like anything that we like or believe in.They think that there right and thats it. There are way to many misterys to this world that cant be explained so it stays at that.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine454 on May 02, 2006, 05:21:45 PM
and sure go ahead i am a child i am here to leanr and express my views and if there wrong it is the elders not meaning you have to be 60 but like older ppl then me to correct me. I really dont think though that since my teacher is in the marines that i got to answer to eveything. I just felt like replying but if some way some how one them terrorist or radicals blow him up and he dies i am joining the marines and avenging his death.
Title: The Story of Saudi Arabian Oil
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 02, 2006, 05:58:35 PM
First of all, changing your name to marine454 doesn't change the fact that you're still 13. You're better off keeping it the way it was.
Secondly, if you're here to "leanr [sic]", then I think you've come to the wrong place. This thread is for people who already have a firm understanding of what terrorism is, who Osama is, and the current history of Iraq. If you think that the US has trouble "finding iraqis that trust us and believe we want peace," then you need to watch a few documentaries or turn on the news. Now, onto the story.

After WWII, many countries realized the importance of oil as a great necessity in keeping dominance over enemies. On a battleship in the Red Sea, President Franklin D. Roosevelt met with the leader of the Saud Family (and ruler of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), Ibn Saud. What is said to have taken place there is a pact between the US and Saudi Arabia. The Sauds would supply with United States with secure oil and the US would make sure that the Saud family stays in power.

The years progressed, and the Saud family prospered. Eventually, their rediculous amount of wealth began to make them lose touch with the people they ruled. When revolts began, they were put down by the US as their part of the deal. When Osama bin Laden surfaced, he saw, as his countrymen saw, the effects US involvement in the Saudi government. Many of bin Laden's followers are, in fact, Saudi. In order to bring balance to the power in Saudi Arabia, they had to get rid of the power that was backing it up: the US.

This is all, of course, a dolled up version of patron-clientelle relationships, but it gets the point across.


marine13, you won't get many places if you don't understand who your enemy is, where they came from, and why they believe what they believe. This is an example of US imperialism in the world and this is one of the major reasons why Osama bin Laden doesn't care for the United States. So, now you know that he isn't just a crazy towel head who blows things up for fun, maybe you might see some reasoning behind his actions, no matter how disgusting those actions may be.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 06:12:24 PM
QUOTE: "No i didnt say that america is better i said " we are rebels yes i know that..." we are rebels if we werent there wouldent be america."  

Your just proving my previous statements right, if you havent noticed it...
Well we were rebels am I correct?  Of course I am and if we werent we wouldnt have america.  Well if you havent noticed iraq is falling in our footsteps, they are jihading (or rebeling) and they want to keep their original iraq, thus leading into a rebellion and cival war in the future with no doubt to take back their old customs and to rid their country of the west.  
SAME EXACT THING!

TO easier explain it, PAST 13 colonies vs. England  TODAY IRAQ vs USA  Now who were we fighting?  Yes thats right the english!  And Who is iraq fighting? Correct again!  USA!  Now what did we do to kick the english rule and troops out of our country?  Kill them and sabotage Trade ships etc.  And what is iraq doing?  killing us and sabotaging fuel dumps. (Happened in the beginning of the war in iraq)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2006, 07:08:39 PM
Great replies guys!:)  Thanks Kraut, thanks MacGiraffe, and thanks Illusion for the Saud summary.


(working on my reply now...)


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Okay i admit your right but what the hell you want us to do SIT DOWN AND HAVE FUKING TEA WITH THE CRAZY SON OF BITCHES I CAN BELIEVE IT NOW HERE IS MY LITTLE PLAY.

President of USA/bushhey um some one tell osama bin laden i want to have tea with him and settle this."

Do you realize that the Taliban conflict and the Saddam conflict are completely different?  The Bush administration just tried to tie them into one... and did a fairly poor job on it.  We've been friends with Saddam before in the 80's, it was possible to achieve again.  I don't think sending 300,000 troops into your country calls for sturdy grounds on the negotiation table.  I never said that we should have a tea party with Osama... I said we should go for the Taliban, despite my feelings and empathy for him.

I personally, sympathize with Osama and his cause.  The fact that I live in the US, and the fact that he won't make a compromise with us, saddens me.  He is a political mastermind who knows how to play his cards right.  I respect him.:)


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Tommorow 1000 so on. I think this is some sign that god wants us all to live in peace or he will MAKE ARMEGEADON come quick. Now srry to get into religion but this is a eligous war maybe what we need is another crusade i really dont know as long as bombs arent going off on my streets i dont really care.

Woh there Bruce all mighty.  Hold it.  A crusade, by definition, is extensive militaristic actions for a certain cause.  Due to the Christian crusades in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, Arabs still see it as "lets kill Muslim's!"  If I remember correctly, the code name for their operation in Iraq was originally "crusade."  Say that in Iraq, and it's the equivilent to saying "I'm going to kill all you Muslim people."  So basically, you want a crusade Marine?  You want, to take your Christian faith to an extreme, and brutally murder the Iraqi's through acts of excessive destruction.  Basically you want to be a terrorist.  You are helping me prove my point time and time again.  You say we're not terrorists... yet you use the word crusade and talk about killing them all.

You know why troops are dieing in Iraq?  You think 50 a day is a bad thing that the Iraqi's should be held responsible for?  If a Muslim man, is standing 100 yards away from you, at your house with an M16 and an armored vehicle, what are you going to do?  The Muslim man, then spots you, and starts shooting at you.  You look up from you post, and get him dead between the eyes.  Why did you shoot?  Your reason is that he was on your home turf, he was armed, and he fired at you, so you were simply defending yourself.  Is this not, the same thing, yet instead of a Muslim man in the US, a US soldier in Iraq?


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But when you say dont stick up for your country thats just bull shit.

What am I supposed to stick up for?  I stick up for what is right, not what helps my ideological beliefs progress the most.


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and sure go ahead i am a child i am here to leanr and express my views and if there wrong it is the elders not meaning you have to be 60 but like older ppl then me to correct me. I really dont think though that since my teacher is in the marines that i got to answer to eveything. I just felt like replying but if some way some how one them terrorist or radicals blow him up and he dies i am joining the marines and avenging his death.
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That's good!:)  Education is a powerful thing.  I didn't realize you were 13, hell, I'm 16, and therefore, I'll try to not be so hard on you.  Everyone has to start somewhere, sometime, and you'll only benefit from discussions like this.


And if you would like to get into religion, I'll let you know that I am a member of the Atheist Americans of atheists.org.  I'm currently active in the Atheist community.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 07:21:49 PM
Seems like no one thinks in perspective
Title: Terrorism
Post by: HaVoK on May 02, 2006, 07:32:24 PM
Guys....... just shut up and play some video games.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 02, 2006, 07:51:46 PM
Well I think I still need to go into religion...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2006, 08:05:14 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Well I think I still need to go into religion...

like discussion on this forum? or look into it? or both?


I'm up for anything, I love these types of discussions.:)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 02, 2006, 08:25:13 PM
Kraut I think yor are very correct on the religion part.  

Kraut:
I may not totally under stand you Kraut but I think the reference to the Boston tea party is a little flip flopped.  We the people were fighting our Govt. (England).  In Iraq the people are not fighting the Govt.  We have removed a Govt. that not only killed its people but has attacked the US and its allies, namely Isreal.  I don't think the people are terrorists but the Govt that ran the country was and there was no way for the people to fight the Govt or change it.  So if you want to say Bush is a terrorist then he will be gone at the end of his term.  Don't call the people of the US terrorists.  If all we did was assist in stopping attacks from the Govt of Iraq on its people and the surrounding countries then we did a good thing.  

Iceman:
Form reading you posts Ice I get the feeling you are hearing a lot from an Instructor that is against the war.  I my be wrong but you also need to look at both sides.  There is bad and good in this war.  You can be a pecimist or optimist.  Maybe there weren't giant WMD's, but there was definatly a threat to mankind.  If we are terrorists we wouldn't be giving the country back to its people. Same with the Oil issue.  We would keep control of the country don't you think.  Ohh yeah Muslims dont believe in the Koran that would be the Jews.  If you really want to know about the beginning of the conflict between Muslim and Jews get any Bible out that contains the Pentatuche and read Genesis 16.  This started the war way back when.  I am not saying you are wrong, I am just stating that there are others that have another opinion other than yours.  I think if you want people to respect your opinion than you have to be willing to respect their's.  There must be common ground here somewhere.  And last time I checked Bush wasn't GOD so he is entiteled to make a few mistakes.  :)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
Iceman:
Form reading you posts Ice I get the feeling you are hearing a lot from an Instructor that is against the war.  I my be wrong but you also need to look at both sides.  There is bad and good in this war.
Woh man, I think you're barking up the wrong tree about viewing both sides.  That's only what I've been preaching the whole time.  In the beginning, I stated I understand the good that has been done by going into Iraq, but for the purpose of discussion in this thread, I will be taking the side of the overwhelming negatives surrounding the war.

Now what I say to you, is that I think you need to look at both sides of the war.  Don't look at it from only the US point of view, but look at it as an Iraqi.  Think about what the affects appear to you, and what actions the US are taking against you.  Observing the good and bad from the US side is still one point of view.  You need to observe the good and bad from Iraq.

Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
And last time I checked Bush wasn't GOD so he is entiteled to make a few mistakes.  :)
A few mistakes yes, every leader is.  His mistakes ride into the thousands.  He is not a good leader.  The people of the US are terrorists, for electing a terrorist minded leader.  We so-called invaded Iraq for supporting terrorists.  Well if it's ok to claim Bush is a terrorist, then we can also blame his supporters, the US citizens.


A nuclear bomb, is no mistake.  A nuclear bomb, is sheer ignorence and bad judgement.

The thing about people have other views than my own... uhh... dude... sweet, what's mine say?  That's the whole purpose of a discussion and debate.  How could we be debating this right now, if there weren't multiple opinions.  I believe that part is apparent.;)


And no... The Koran is an Islamic holy book which expresses the actual, literal, factual words of God, that were revealed to us by the prophet Muhammed, from his visions of the angel Gabriel.  I'm atheist, but I know my texts.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 02, 2006, 08:53:04 PM
HOLY CRAP! Out of the blue, kraut strikes his fist down and owned that noob marine! HOT DAMN! This is some entertaining stuff!

lighting--i concur about the religious issues, but bush had made more than a few mistakes. There hasn't been a justafiable war since WWII when there were easy to see "badguys" and goodguys." This is just the middle eastern Vietnam and we won't "win" this war either. We'll eventually end up pulling out after setting up a rickety democracy there which will crumble in the next 5 years. How depressing.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 03, 2006, 11:38:16 AM
Wasser this is by no means Vietnam!  

Ice I stand corrected I was thinking of the Torah.  I do on the other had think that our founding fathers are the same as the Irag people. We were both led by a tyrant.  We had the luck if you wanna call it that of having the tyrant thousands of miles away.  If you remember the French are the ones that helped us.  It took a long time for supplies and armies to cross the ocean.  The tyrant lived among the people in Iraq.  If I were Iraqi I would feel blessed that another Country would take the chance of alienating itself to help the little people by assisting in removing a tyrant from power.  I work with many people that are reservists that have been called up to go fight.  Amazingly they all come back and say the same thing.  The Iraqi people are greatful that we are there to help them to create a govt that gives them a voice.  But thats not what Democrats want.  They want complete Govt. control of everything!  Democrats think you are not smart enough to take care of yourself thus you need them to take care of you.  I guess a lot of your and my opinion comes down to where we get information.  The Liberal madia sways towards there side.  But the people that are on the ground report something different.  I am incline to believe my personal friends over a reporter that is trying to make a name for himself/herself.  Better be P.C. here.  

Since you know your texts then you shold know that Muslims think they are the supreme race of GOD through Ishmael.  The Christian belief is just the opposite in that the Jews are the Chosen race through Isaac.  Muslims believe all other people are benieth them and need to be destroyed.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 03, 2006, 01:23:05 PM
The Qur'an (or Koran as you guys are using it) is not Jewish. It's Muslim.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

You must be thinking of the Torah.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 01:54:46 PM
Well actually lightning, your points of view on how the muslims believe is partially correct, when osama and his bunch were active in afghanistan, he taught that they were suprime, and that all that opposed their ways should end in death.  But the real muslims shi'a and the sunni are the real islamic supporters who still are uncorrupted.  And yes in a way it is just like vietnam (also called the Second Indochina War) all over again.  When swampfox comes on and reads this might agree or disagree.

Quote from a website "In 1975, shortly before the end of the war, the Communist Khmer Rouge seized power in Cambodia after a bloody civil war. This led to a genocide known as the "Killing Fields" that collectively killed some 1.7 million people (possibly even more), one-fifth of the country's population. A month after taking power, Khmer Rouge soldiers seized the SS Mayaguez, a U.S. merchant ship, which resulted in a military response from President Ford, who ordered air strikes on Cambodian oil installations and the landing of troops at Koh Tang Island, where it was believed the crew was being held. The ship was seized and the crew repatriated (see Mayaguez Incident) but a significant number of U.S. casualties occurred at Koh Tang. The Khmer Rouge were driven from power in 1979, when Vietnam invaded and installed a pro-Vietnam 'puppet' government."

Sounds kinda familar eh?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 02:32:24 PM
so really then ICEMAN what do you want us to do go aaaaw fuk it the muslims/radicals wants us all to die or convert to there religion so lets do it fuk america and change it to a muslim nation or just lets kill our selfs and save them trouble really. What the hell can we do other then deal with it or take action loose a few troops. Geting into religion HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM/ muslim religion is coorect religion HOW DO WE KNOW the most famous and most famously veiwed religion is correct. All i know is there must be a higher being then us or there must be a spirtiull world cause how would the existance of a god/ gods be so veiwed in the world.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 02:37:37 PM
when i say most famous and most famously viewed i mean the christian religion.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on May 03, 2006, 02:41:23 PM
Muslim is not the correct religion, any religion that calls for you to kill people is satans religion.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 02:42:53 PM
bonehead its amazing how you summed that all up in one sentenced and are right to how can you kill someone and be in heaven automatically.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 02:43:35 PM
but as in like killing them for not following your views.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 03:26:49 PM
I swear you have no clue what your talking about...  

QUOTE  "marine13when i say most famous and most famously viewed i mean the christian religion"

Its not the most famous religion yet alone the most viewed... Buddism and hinduism is the biggest and most practiced in the world so get your religions straight.  And...

QUOTE "so really then ICEMAN what do you want us to do go aaaaw fuk it the muslims/radicals wants us all to die or convert to there religion so lets do it fuk america and change it to a muslim nation or just lets kill our selfs and save them trouble really. What the hell can we do other then deal with it or take action loose a few troops. Geting into religion HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM/ muslim religion is coorect religion HOW DO WE KNOW the most famous and most famously veiwed religion is correct. All i know is there must be a higher being then us or there must be a spirtiull world cause how would the existance of a god/ gods be so veiwed in the world."

Well lets see whats wrong with some of that!  OH wait all of it!  They could care less about us converting to their religion,  and you dont see them taking the fight to our soils do you?  Yes thats right!  They are only trying to win back their country.  Islam, catholism, judaism, and christians are all centered around the one and all mighty god, as long as you believe that this one almighty god, has granted you access into your final resting place, where ever it could be, then that is the right religion.

Also when I say fight to our own soils, i dont mean the osama regime, which was the only reason we should be in the middle east at this point time
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 03, 2006, 03:38:35 PM
alright... stop being so narrow-minded right now, no joke.  Why do you think the Muslim's feel that way?  Do you remember anything about my little talk on the use of the word "crusade"?  Christians have abused the hell out of the Muslim religion, it's no wonder they have a gripe.  Now, maybe you're saying, this goes back 1000 years, so they should stop crying about it.  This is the same way that Northern Ireland works.  William of Orange was it, invaded, took over, etc etc... and then the conflicts have been passed on by the generations, loyalist Ulster vs. the IRA.  The Middle East, has been taken over many times over by Christian whites of Europe.  Right there, you have a gripe, your rulers are Christian, and all your citizens are Muslim.  Take that one step further, where the rulers bring in missionaries and start to push Christianity on you.  With that history, if I were Muslim, I'd have an itching to kill myself a damn Christian too.


Everyone needs to stop thinking from this one-sided view.  You think you get it both ways, but you're not even close.  What's even more hypoctrical, is the fact that you're talking down on Muslim's for believing that they are a superior race... while in turn, basically supporting the fact that Christians American's are superior.  I'm failing to see the difference in the high and mighty thing, other than a name and race.

Speaking of Christians who think you should die if you aren't the same, what about the KKK?  The Ku Klux Klan is indeed, a Christian organization.  They target blacks, other minorities, and are extremely anti-semitic.  They believe that Christian whites are the superior race, and that all others should die.  Considering I see the same views on this forum, I don't think any of you have any basis to say someone else can't claim the same concept.  That's just hypocritical.


Now please note, I'm a devout atheist.  Atheist doesn't mean that I hate anybody who has a belief in God, but rather that I look at everyone who does as equal.  I guess I'm a medium in this sort of situation.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 03, 2006, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller

Also when I say fight to our own soils, i dont mean the osama regime, which was the only reason we should be in the middle east at this point time

Exactly!  I've still failed to hear a response from anybody here to tell us a reason why we are in Iraq.  The only response I'm getting is that they attacked us first... which simply points out their ignorence, because the Taliban attacked us, not Iraq.

In addition, all of you republican-Bush-lovers... if it's truely about freedom and peace, not oil, why the fuck aren't we in Darfur, Sudan?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 05:03:08 PM
so really when we train the iraqs to do what they have to to take care of them selfs we will stop looseing troopes/ them dieing. How do you know that really maybe if we do withdrawal just maybe they will start bombing us did you think of that. People in the US that are terrorist are very low in what they do they maybe the guy nextstore who is the coolest person you know and he plants a bomb in a biulding and blows it to hell. The terrorist who flew the planes into the towers were in the U.S and we actually tought how to fly planes if you ever watched the doucumentry on the history channel. One funny thing is the pilot who tought them he said they were not very good at landing the plane. But in all seriuose ness you cant predict what will happen.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Unregistered on May 03, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
quote from a website:  Christinanity is the most widely followed religion in the world . Jesus did not come to explain suffering or to take it away: He came to fill it with His Presence. To give to the world the concepts of charity, compassion and liberation.

quote:Religions with the Most Followers
(subject to error of unknown percentage given the imperfection
 with which sociologists can count such scattered populations)

 

Christianity, 2.1 billion, 33 percent
Islam, 1.3 billion, 20 percent
Non-religious, 1.1 billion, 16 percent
Hinduism, 781 million, 14 percent
Chinese traditional, 394 million, 6 percent
Buddhism, 324 million, 6 percent
African animist, 300 million, 6 percent
Sikhism, 23 million, 0.4 percent
Juche (North Korea), 19 million, 0.3 percent
Judaism, 14 million, 0.2 percent
Baha'ism, 7 million, 0.1 percent

there they are.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 05:12:54 PM
unregistered is me forgot srry.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: MadMedic on May 03, 2006, 05:18:12 PM
As you see, the once-dominant Muslims are falling. This is because they are blowing themselves up.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 05:34:24 PM
lol true mad medic here is my solution let them all blow them selves up cause when you notcie when car bombs and suicide bombers blow up they kill muslims to so ya let them kill them selves till they are no longer on earth that will end it all.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 05:46:47 PM
hmm you forgot scientology.  And when you put christians as a whole yes they are the highest but they really arent equal in their beliefs. Within the one Christian faith, there are many different groups, called 'denominations'. We all share the same core beliefs, but some of the things we do will be vastly different from each other.  

Anglican (Church of England), Baptist, Brethren, Catholic (Roman Catholic), Catholic (Greek), Church of Scotland, Congregational, Free Church of Scotland, Independent Evangelical, Methodist, Orthodox, Pentecostal, Quaker, United Reformed Church, Welsh Chapel, and Capel Cymraeg.  This is just some "forms of the so called christians you are thinking of."

Heres what my church on sunday looks like...http://www.request.org.uk/main/churches/orthodox/orthodox08.htm

I bet its completely different then the church or whatever you go to
Title: Terrorism
Post by: marine13 on May 03, 2006, 05:55:37 PM
okay if you must know i am apiscopailan lol cant spell but i do not go to church that much my parents beliveve in god but do not go to church and pray. But do you know how all these other parts of the chritstian religion cam to being 5 words     martin luther notice of thebes this is when he rebeled against the catholic church because the pope was selling the things to get a sin taken away for money. I forgot what they were called but thats why. H posted it on a wall or the front door of a church and at the time a priest and was kicked fro, the priest hood that is how all them came to being thats why there are PROTESTANT and LUTHERAN.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: illusion (library) on May 03, 2006, 06:06:23 PM
We need to have a night on ventrillo and end this once and for all ;)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: HaVoK on May 03, 2006, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Anglican (Church of England),


Anglican is moreover Protestant in nature.  It was formed around the same time as the protestant movements throughout Europe struck out in Germany.  It is similar to Christianity in some ways, but more related to Protestantism because it rebelled against of course Christianity like Luternism and etc.

P.s. I love religion and will talk about it all the time.  I just don't like to read too much which you guys are doing.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 06:13:50 PM
YAY, lutheran is another one i forgot, and protestant is the basics...like baptist, presbyterian, and methodist. Just so you know.  Now, lets talk about this martin luther that you have mentioned...Al l he did was post what a real man of god should be doing on the gates of the cathedral,  Thus separateing catholism from Christianity.  His influence resulted in the major Protestant denomination of Lutheranism where their churches today use Luther's name.  I dont think you just noticed what you did, you just proved my statement above right.  I dont even have to use google to look up this:) I guess your wondering "how did He prove he was right again?!?!"  Well, like you said christianity is the largest in the world BUT!  It has alot of denominations in it, so basically the only real part of the denomination that is really "christian",
is the protestant churchs.  But before you look up the meaning of "protestant" and say "hey, dissenters are what baptists, methodists, etc are and you just said that they were protestant!"  Well, heres the definition of protestant. Anyone who is a Christian, and who is not a Roman Catholic is, by definition, a Protestant derives from Luther's protest in 1517 against the abuses current in the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1500s.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 03, 2006, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
Wasser this is by no means Vietnam!  

  Muslims believe all other people are benieth them and need to be destroyed.

I didn't say it was vietnam, i said it was like it in a sense that we can't win either of them.

That's a rash overstatment that muslims think they're supreme beings and above everyone. I wouldn't be so biased towards someone just because they're muslim, i know a kid Jehan who's muslim and he knows that i have jewish relatives; he didn't declare a holy war on me, he just said "oh, that's nice." Not all of them hate jews and christians, you're thinking of the radicles of islam, and we have them also(that one guy named something roberts or robertson who's a crazy-ass televangelist who said to assasinate the venezuelan president). Radicles are everywhere, and the acts of a few bad people end up making everyone associated with them bad.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Gear on May 03, 2006, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Radicles are everywhere, and the acts of a few bad people end up making everyone associated with them bad.

It happens at my school all the time. I just read the 1st post, So if i make no since ignore my post, lol.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 08:02:58 PM
Im waiting for that marine guy to come on back on lol
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 03, 2006, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
Muslim is not the correct religion, any religion that calls for you to kill people is satans religion.


There are several references to religious violence in the Qu'ran, you're right. But again, it's all open to personal interpretation . To call a religion incorrect because of this rather blind. Let me give you an example.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian militant who strongly identified with right wing extremist groups with the Christian faith. The bombing in Oklahoma is just another in a string of Christian militant bombings of abortion clinics. It was a highly religious attack carried out by a Christian group, a group that is similar to several others in the US.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." ~Jesus (Matthew 10:34)

There are lots of endorsements for war in the Christian faith and they are cited as justification for war by militant groups. Does that make the religion wrong? Of course not. There's more to the faith than this, just as there's more to the Muslim faith than that.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 03, 2006, 08:20:59 PM
Back to the buddism part, as of 2001 there were 1,413,354,560 rough estament.  The website you went to http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Key 2 words at that site "self-identification" Well, lets see here...Asia is over half of the world, and do you think they are gonna be able to keep tabs on every human in that continent?  Heres a real site not that bullshit guy, David B. Barrett's, if you didnt know or not he doesnt leave our country, to find out he does ESTAMENTS.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_by_country

This website has all the citizens of every continent put into separate areas.

Hate to break it to you but heres the real deal on christian (as a whole) populations.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_christian.html

Also to back up my aruement is this quote and its from that dumbass david b. Barrett

"Christianity: David B. Barrett's World Christian Encyclopedia (1994 update) gives an oft-cited figure of 1.9 billion Christians (or about 33% of the world population), and projected that by the year 2000 there will be 2.1 billion Christians in the world. The 2001 edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia stated there were 2.1 billion Christians in the world, or 33% of the total population. Regardless of the degree of accuracy of this figure, Christianity, if taken as a whole, is unarguably the largest world religion - the largest religion in the world. (Keep in mind that although Christianity is the world's largest religion, it is an umbrella term that comprises many different branches and denominations.)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Phantom on May 03, 2006, 08:39:59 PM
poop
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 03, 2006, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
Speaking of Christians who think you should die if you aren't the same, what about the KKK?  The Ku Klux Klan is indeed, a Christian organization.  They target blacks, other minorities, and are extremely anti-semitic.  They believe that Christian whites are the superior race, and that all others should die.  Considering I see the same views on this forum, I don't think any of you have any basis to say someone else can't claim the same concept.  That's just hypocritical.


Now please note, I'm a devout atheist.  Atheist doesn't mean that I hate anybody who has a belief in God, but rather that I look at everyone who does as equal.  I guess I'm a medium in this sort of situation.


Well Christians are not God's chosen religion.  The JEWS are and I for one am not a JEW.  By the law your mother has to be a JEW for you to be a Jew.  So the statement that Christians are superior and that we want to kill everyone is you dream not ours.  The statement or belief that Christians are doing God's work or are superior is FALSE.  I am Christian and have no problem with Muslims or have a belief that I am better than anyone else.  Genesis describes the Muslim race Gen.10-11 I will give you a son, who will be called Ishmael,  d 16.10,11 Ishmael: In Hebrew “Ishmael” sounds like “God hears.”because I have heard your cry for help. And later I will give you so many descendants that no one will be able to count them all. 12 But your son will live far from his relatives; he will be like a wild donkey, fighting everyone, and everyone fighting him.”  These are not my words, they are quotes from KJV.

Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
Exactly!  I've still failed to hear a response from anybody here to tell us a reason why we are in Iraq.  The only response I'm getting is that they attacked us first... which simply points out their ignorence, because the Taliban attacked us, not Iraq.

In addition, all of you republican-Bush-lovers... if it's truely about freedom and peace, not oil, why the fuck aren't we in Darfur, Sudan?


The govt. of Iraq was the main instigator in the attacks of the US and our Allies.  Iraq as a whole may not of attacked us but its extreme govt. did.  We seem to forget that they also attacked one of our major allies. Isreal has been attacked numerious times.  This I believe is part of the Holy War.  The fight for Jerusalem has been going on for thousands of years.  We are also supporting our allies i nthis attack.  The number of attacks in Isreal has declined since the war began.  If memory serves me correct Darfur and Sudan haven't been attacking us or our allies.  We will be in Afganistan and Iran soon.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 03, 2006, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
Well Christians are not God's chosen religion.  The JEWS are and I for one am not a JEW.  By the law your mother has to be a JEW for you to be a Jew.  So the statement that Christians are superior and that we want to kill everyone is you dream not ours.  The statement or belief that Christians are doing God's work or are superior is FALSE.  I am Christian and have no problem with Muslims or have a belief that I am better than anyone else.  Genesis describes the Muslim race Gen.10-11 I will give you a son, who will be called Ishmael,  d 16.10,11 Ishmael: In Hebrew “Ishmael” sounds like “God hears.”because I have heard your cry for help. And later I will give you so many descendants that no one will be able to count them all. 12 But your son will live far from his relatives; he will be like a wild donkey, fighting everyone, and everyone fighting him.”  These are not my words, they are quotes from KJV.

Clearly you miss everything that I say...  My statements weren't false... I was using the KKK as an example.  They think that white Christians are superior over all else.  So please, stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, and read what I say closer.

I HATE repeating myself, and I've done it so much in this thread.



Quote from: marine13
so really when we train the iraqs to do what they have to to take care of them selfs we will stop looseing troopes/ them dieing. How do you know that really maybe if we do withdrawal just maybe they will start bombing us did you think of that. People in the US that are terrorist are very low in what they do they maybe the guy nextstore who is the coolest person you know and he plants a bomb in a biulding and blows it to hell. The terrorist who flew the planes into the towers were in the U.S and we actually tought how to fly planes if you ever watched the doucumentry on the history channel. One funny thing is the pilot who tought them he said they were not very good at landing the plane. But in all seriuose ness you cant predict what will happen.

Considering you have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about, at all, and you have all your facts mixed up, please, stop now.  In war, there is no "well what ifs?"  You don't take authoritative action until you are attacked, or else, you are the attacker.  You can't even spell "next door."  Your assumptions of "what if" have just about as much solid evidence to back up your statements as the existence of god, zero to none.  The History Channel is not a good source of information.  Considering the US government has quite a big sway over large corporations, and the History Channel is owned by Disney, I have a feeling that since 99% of what was in the documentary was a bunch of crap ass lies, that what you're relaying from that video is false.  They weren't called bad pilots by their instructors.  What you are referring to, is the accounts of Hani Hanjour.  He is the hi-jacker who they say flew his plane into the Pentagon.  He... tried to rent a small plane from a flight instruction school which also rents out their planes, and had to go on a test run with an instructor to make sure that he can control the plane (assurance to who they rent planes out to).  The person who accompanied him on that flight, said he could barely control the aircraft.  Get your facts straight.

Stop talking out of your ass Marine.  Seriously.  If this is to be educational for you, look it up before you say something.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 03, 2006, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Lightning
If memory serves me correct Darfur and Sudan haven't been attacking us or our allies.  We will be in Afganistan and Iran soon.


The conflict in Sudan isn't about America's war on terrorism. It's about the genocide that's taking place there. Here's an AWESOME Frontline edition about it. It's definitely worth watching.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sudan/

This is a very serious problem and if it's left untouched, it's bound to become another Rwanda. If you don't know what happened in Rwanda...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ghosts/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ghosts/video/
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Post by: marine13 on May 04, 2006, 11:23:50 AM
okay ice man then what do you plan we do nothing or take action?
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Post by: marine13 on May 04, 2006, 11:27:47 AM
wow illusion all that stuff that has been happening in africa has been happening for a while it kind of like the ebola virus and AIDS just its people killing people not viruses.
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Post by: krautkiller (at school) on May 04, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
Marine I already told you what the plan in iraq is, they are training the militia, then they will stat pulling out the troops, over the next 5 years after they have enough police/militia to keep the peace, And all this deal about them attacking us.  THEY WILL NOT!  They are doing something called jihading, to take back their country,  And this isnt the majority of them, its just a few who dont want to westernized.
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Post by: marine13 on May 04, 2006, 11:51:57 AM
lol your at school were you live if its in the US then why did you have pictures of a church in the U.K
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on May 04, 2006, 12:00:32 PM
How bout u register and stop fucking posting so much u fucking idiot.
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Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 04, 2006, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: marine13
wow illusion all that stuff that has been happening in africa has been happening for a while it kind of like the ebola virus and AIDS just its people killing people not viruses.


I don't see how people killing people is the same as viruses killing people.
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Post by: [TBD] Admin/head on May 04, 2006, 12:25:43 PM
You guys argue to well.

So far its:

On top: Illusion.
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Post by: marine13 on May 04, 2006, 12:33:05 PM
cause people killing people can wipe out a country state or town. a virus air born virus can do the same take aids outa there though.
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Post by: [) ! A B L 0 on May 04, 2006, 12:51:56 PM
is nine fuckin pages enough? can we close this damn thread?
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Most catholic churchs arent filmed in america.

Hey marine this will show you how un prepared iraq went to war with america, their militiant leader cant even fire a simple machine gun.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12630258/?GT1=8199

The war in iraq will be close to over once this group of "untrained, unorganized" jihaders are put down.
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Post by: ICEMAN on May 04, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: '*MAFIA* [) ! A B L 0'
is nine fuckin pages enough? can we close this damn thread?

glad to see you care about current issues and people;)
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Post by: HaVoK on May 04, 2006, 04:27:52 PM
Instead arguing about a fucking war that we can't do anything about and what not.  Why don't we move our attention to genocide and other things like that which we CAN have some control over and bring to the news.  How about we give a shit about Darfur and other nations in Africa that are struggling.

Let's give a shit about some real people and others that we need to help out:

http://www.savedarfur.com
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 04:34:08 PM
No one cares about africa, if it wasnt for the white people the blacks over here would be the same way, instead of wanting money for 300 years of slavery to whites they should praise us for getting them outa that hell hole.  And you know whats funny?  The white slave traders bought the black people from tribes where they were already slaves, i swear blacks have no idea what they are talking about when white people are the devil, when they had their own color owning them way before we did.
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Post by: Unregistered on May 04, 2006, 05:26:22 PM
In africa the slaves were not treated nearly as badly as they were in America. They wernt whipped and tortured in Africa. The United states treated the slaves the worst.
        Why would they praise us? If u went through that u wouldnt thank us. U would be angry at what they did to u
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 05:35:47 PM
Thing about the percentage of africans with a std, right now.  Quote from website:  If you are an HIV-infected person alive today, there is about a 66 percent chance you live in sub-Saharan Africa.

All info u need is on this website-

http://208.249.122.222/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=F5E21774-063D-11D4-AD9A0050DA7E046B&method=GuideFullDisplay
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Post by: HaVoK on May 04, 2006, 05:46:42 PM
Sorry, I'm just trying to be a decent human being and care about other people of the world.  I don't think it's fine that blacks are the main percential with STD's and AIDS.  I don't think it's right that they should be asking for reperations from past hurts.  I don't think it's right what we did to them in the past, and I feel that it is in out best interest and morality to help them out.  Why?  Because we're humans.  I don't care what you say.

Yes, tribes did have other africans as slaves, but that was only because they could make a profit off of selling them to white people and they were mainly those of other beaten tribes that they had conquered.  They were treated as badly if not worse in Africa, and how can you stand by genocide.

The UN and nations around the world swore an oath to stop genocide and they've done shit about it.  Guess what?  The reason the fucking UN was made was to stop another holocaust.  Doing less is just wrong.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 05:49:22 PM
Why should we care about racist monkeys that call us "krackers" and "the devil"?
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Post by: Unregistered on May 04, 2006, 05:51:22 PM
They wernt treated worse in africa. Were the people in africa racist like the white people, no they wernt. Also the cotton was so important that white people they worked the slaves harded to get more cotton, to get more money
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Post by: ICEMAN on May 04, 2006, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Why should we care about racist monkeys that call us "krackers" and "the devil"?

that's niggers.  We're talking about Africans.


We already touched on in a little, but yes, we coudl talk about Darfur now.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 05:59:53 PM
Lets get into it :)
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Post by: marine13 on May 04, 2006, 06:19:56 PM
Okay blacks in america got there freedom and now look at what there doing how about we look at that to. Look at all the crime that in aerica is commited by blacks/african americans not to be racist but. In my area N/A there are colored ppl arrested every day for drug possesion concealing a weapon murders all that shit drug trafficing actually anything that deals with drugs they are cought with in my area. I am sure its just not were i live. I think congress should have passed that bill saying "any ellegal imagrants should but  noted as a felonie" or i think i forget the name but it made headlines. On the down side they make up most of americas buisness. Up side we can restore some order in this country cause face it ppl this country is going to hell although i will fight and die for it if neccsasary.

p.s i cant spell for shit so ya.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 04, 2006, 07:51:25 PM
I doubt you would fight for shit... I stick up for the special Ed class at my school when the little freshmen come and start picking on them.  If america would be more sincere toward the minorities weither it be black white whatever, I bet most of that crime would stop.  The blacks just need to stop complaining and get off their chicken eating asses and do something for this country instead of complaining about how they were treated!
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Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 04, 2006, 08:23:27 PM
-marine13: It's not just black people getting arrested for that stuff. It's the people who live in that economic class. It includes white people, too. White people who are just as poor and disadvantaged as the black people who are getting arrested. It's not about color. It's about class. And about the whole virus thing: viruses don't choose to kill people. Sudan's genocide is taking place between the arabs/Sudanese gov't and the non-Arabs. Viruses don't say, "hey, you're a non-Arab. I'm going to infect you but not that Arab guy." People do. There's a major difference.

-Havok: Good to see someone concerned about Sudan =) Did you see my post where I put those Frontline articles? If you're interested, it's worth checking out. So much for "Never again..." after WWII, eh? What's the death toll up to now? 180,000?

-AIDs is a HUGE problem in Africa. UN member nations have pledged millions of dollars to HIV/AIDs research. Denying them help because they're African is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. They're humans. Let's hope they find something, quick.

-Recent news: Zacarias Moussoui just got life in prison. That should give him some time to think about how smart it was to fuck America over. =] I'm taking bets on how many weeks he lasts.
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Post by: Unregistered on May 05, 2006, 08:07:04 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
I doubt you would fight for shit... I stick up for the special Ed class at my school when the little freshmen come and start picking on them.  If america would be more sincere toward the minorities weither it be black white whatever, I bet most of that crime would stop.  The blacks just need to stop complaining and get off their chicken eating asses and do something for this country instead of complaining about how they were treated!


lol ya well i think there just paying us back the favor. Treated them like shit for about 600 years.Now they going to destroy the country seems fair dont you think.Sure they are kind of lazy but i have a cople colored friends and there kind of cool although there kind or rekless and really dont giive a shit about anything. Now i am not saying i am one of those want to be's but i dont want to be racist either. But our problem is not them it is illegal imagrants that is doing some this stuff.
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 08:12:11 AM
okay there are many things going on in aides research and stuff. I just learned about it in health class ppl really need to watch what they do. There are only 2 drugs out on the market that right now that do stuff to HIV/AIDS.
One is AZT witch helps slow down the virus from infecting the t-cells. Another witch litterally makes the AIDS virus not able to produce. Okay incase you dont know t-cells are the ones that aides reproduces in. But i can sit here all day and teach you this stuff but you already know it.
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Post by: marine454 on May 05, 2006, 08:18:07 AM
srry to post so much but also.AIDS is not just something were you have sex with someone and you get aids well it is but ya. Okay if you choose to have sex with someone you are then makeing that dision to get AIDS thats why if everyone choose 1 sex partner for life aids would go away. But nope no one can do that. Also AIDS does not kill you a infection even as little as the common cold kills you because your body cant fight it.
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Post by: iLLUSi0N on May 05, 2006, 10:34:20 AM
marine. Seriously. I'm going to stop arguing with you because you don't know what you're talking about.

1) You can get AIDs through contact with the blood from an HIV positive person. You don't have to have sex with them to get it.

2) Choosing 1 partner for life does not make AIDs go away. Sure, it protects you and your children, and that's good. But what about the 40 million people who already have AIDs? Are you going to be the one to tell them that they're not allowed to have sex and have children? Your way of solving things does not work globally... and your public school system's teaching of sex-education is a joke if they say it does.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 12:03:28 PM
Wow.. This medical part of this discussion is actually a field I know a bit.. Since im currently a nurses assistant.

illusion-  Your right but it isnt just your blood its any body fluids.

Marine- There is no drug known that kills aids, only way to keep someone aliove for alonger period of time to do kemotherapy
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 05:06:37 PM
does kemo really kill it cool tell everyojne to take kemo lol. But i never said that AZT and prostest inhibator killed it AZT slows down the reproduction. Protest inhibator stops it from reproducing. Illusion i said we need to be more careful for who we sleep with. If we do that the spread of HIV will be cut in half another thing is shareing needles and blood transfusions and blood products. But dont say well i will wear a condom you need to have latex for it harder for AIDS to get through latex makes it 85% less of a chance you will get it. If not latex make that 50%. Wow school filled my head with this shit. Okay but what is wrong with the stuff in africa they live in such poor conditions it is hard to get this stuff to them.
             The genocide can be stoped but with all the stuff going on we really arent paying attetion to that we are many focusing now on : bird flu, and IRAG. A little on aids and alot of other shit. It is real important that we get alot of this stuff under control but the thing is will we and can we after 25 of the AIDS being classifeid and being treated NO cure is in sight.
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Post by: Swifty on May 05, 2006, 05:16:02 PM
Actually many disinfectants can kill aids.  The thing is when the body is infected, this becomes an impossibility.  Aids can easily be killed with disinfectants in a lab.  And actually to be more specific you can kill HIV, the virus that eventually becomes "AIDS".

Kemo doesn't kill aids, it is a temporary solution that causes more harm then good.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 05:21:55 PM
Never said it killed it, just said thats another solution.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 05, 2006, 05:39:53 PM
wow, marine guy is retarded. You can get HIV if your mother has it, you will be infected at birth. Secondly chemotherapy just kills fast growing cells, it doesn't get rid of HIV. Along with the HIV, it will kill your hair cells, white blood cells, and any other fast growing things in your body. Like swifty said it does more bad than good. Marine, give up on life now, it's like talking to a rock who can type. You're completely oblivious to all around you, and your arguments are complete bullshit and/or filled with enough spelling errors to build a bridge. I loathe you.(marine)
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 05:42:09 PM
ya i know but one thing is say i got punched or hit in the mouth now i was bleeding these things are called "universal percausions" witch is were you wear rubber gloves(latex) not meaning you put a condom on your hand but latex gloves and spary the blood with what is called "bleach" it will kill aids. Now that doent mean you can inject ppl with bleach  witch if you could would be cool. Now the only reason aids is so deadly is cause those t-celld amazingly there these ppl in some part of there world that there t-calles like dont have the suction things that aids gets in through.
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 05:43:49 PM
k i will go get a knife what is better knife or gun really dont know this stuff is new to me. Wait knife hurts dont it so gun to head pull trigger ya right.
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 05:44:23 PM
let me do the honors of banning my self
!ban marine13
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 05, 2006, 05:46:27 PM
good god, please rid us of your existance quickly.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: marine13
ya i know but one thing is say i got punched or hit in the mouth now i was bleeding these things are called "universal percausions" witch is were you wear rubber gloves(latex) not meaning you put a condom on your hand but latex gloves and spary the blood with what is called "bleach" it will kill aids. Now that doent mean you can inject ppl with bleach  witch if you could would be cool. Now the only reason aids is so deadly is cause those t-celld amazingly there these ppl in some part of there world that there t-calles like dont have the suction things that aids gets in through.


Wow.. your actually right about the universal precautions part,  but if your caring for a aids patient ( which ive had to do before) and you arent near a wound you dont use gloves.  We dont use bleach here and I dont have a clue what "bleach" is other than that it makes my shirts nice and white.  And your also a bit right about your t-cells being attacked, but thats HIV, Aids comes after you get HIV, unless your mother has it.  Quote:  "t-celld amazingly there these ppl in some part of there world that there t-calles like dont have the suction things that aids gets in through"  

Whats that supposed to mean?  The heart is the only suction cup like thing in your body...

Wasser- Kemo doesnt always make your hair fall out.
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Post by: Swifty on May 05, 2006, 06:32:35 PM
I wish I could figure out removing posting rights...
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Lightning on May 05, 2006, 07:18:33 PM
Well in the US Hepatitis is the fastest spreading disease.  Maybe that would be a more interisting topic.  Even if there was  a cure for AID's or HIV it would be so expensive that only the rich people in Africa would get it.  One could say that most medical companies don't want to come up with a cure because they would loose Billions of dollars in grant and research monies.  There are many ways to spread HIV.  Terrorists actually spread it.  They will infect themselves with HIV, Hep and any other long living blood born pathogen and then blow them sleves up in a suicide bombing with the intention to infect all the people that respond to render aid to the victims.  With the idea that first responders trying to help they will be unaware of the risk of being infected.  People dont realize they were infected and then pass the disease on.  This in my opinion is a WMD.  Here are some stats. 25 million deaths from Aids from 1981-2005.  

http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm  

I guess when I think of WMD's in the middle east, my concern is biological weapons more than bombs.  Chemical weapons are small and can ultimately cause more damage than a bomb.

I am sorry but I don't care a whole lot obout Africa.  My family was born and raised in N. Africa.  Just east of Rwanda on the borders of Tanzania and Kenya.  The blacks there act the same way there as they do here.  Because my family was white we were told that if you don't sell your land and leave that you will be arrested and your land would be taken.  My family ultimately relocated back to the US.  So maybe I have the same prejudices about blacks as they have about whites here in the US.  

Crime is a socio-economic thing.  You can't just say its blacks.  I have worked all over N.Cali and have seen it all.  Oakland was large population blacks.  They committed most of the crimes.  East of Sacramento was largly Illegal Hispanic population.  They committed most of the crimes.  North of Sacramento largly mixed Whites/Mong.  Guess what they  committed most of the crimes.  One thing they all have in commin is the social-economic status.  POOR PEOPLE COMIT MOST OF THE CRIMES.  I am not sure why.  I am not saying that middle and upper class don't comit crimes, but the majority is the lower economic class people.  I guess I said all that to say its not just blacks (marine13).
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Post by: Marine 13 on May 05, 2006, 09:47:11 PM
Okay here is a case of bad judgment okay in my area there was this guy who was belived to have killed 2 black drug dealers okay. Well it went to court and they found him not guilty now they are in trial now for the same guy accused of killing 2 whit drug dealers when the decide a verdict you can decide if it was racist or not. also all the mbers on the jury were white.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 09:48:11 PM
Rep for lightning :)  I totally agree with your carelessness of africa :)
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Post by: Marine 13 on May 05, 2006, 09:50:06 PM
The bleach i am talking about is 1 gallon of water and then 1/4 of a cup of bleach that they spray blood with to kill any like diseases it may carry. Also wow i was right for once wow thats amazing first and last time.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 09:52:23 PM
Diseases...Do you know what makes a disease?  BACTERIA!

Also marine why dont you register?
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 09:57:52 PM
okay i did.Yes i know that but wow my schools books said diseases they are giving us false info no wonder i am so dumb.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 09:59:38 PM
Know what E. Coli is?  Its in your large intestine or small intestines I forgot which.  And its considered a disease.
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Know what E. Coli is?  Its in your large intestine or small intestines I forgot which.  And its considered a disease.

i am 13 i dont know what the back of my hand looks like.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 10:04:27 PM
I think your school is teaching you wrong things
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Post by: marine13 on May 05, 2006, 10:05:46 PM
lol ya they must but explain my grades i can excell in school outa school i am as dumb as the old man down the street.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 05, 2006, 10:10:58 PM
I just talk to girls and sleep during all my classes and im passing em all with a c
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on May 06, 2006, 10:39:49 AM
Its hilarious to see so many kids here who were raised by TV.  You're all retarded and lost.

If African niggers would stop fucking each other, they'd stop spreading AIDS, wouldn't they?  

We're not all the same.  Equality is a lie.  And most of you are confused little boys who've been raised on Nickelodeon and MTV and have no idea what the real world is like.

LETS SAVE EVERYBODY!!!!

Name one, just one, majority black country, city, or civilization that was successful.  One.  And not some pie in the sky 'african-american studies' pipe dream historical revisionism.  Niggers are prone to crime, it is genetic just like their simian features.  Whites, and Orientals, on the other hand, are able to take a more abstract view, and are able to work together to create a society.  

Did you know that the average IQ of a black African is 80?
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 10:54:10 AM
almohads were successful, over 2000 years ago lol
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Post by: ICEMAN on May 06, 2006, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
almohads were successful, over 2000 years ago lol

owned
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 02:05:33 PM
Ever heard of Carthage?  That was the capital of the almohads.  

http://i-cias.com/e.o/carthage.htm

All the info you need is here.

And believe it or not but the almohads were one of the few countries who were able to hold off the romans, for as long as they did.

Ever heard of "hannibal"?
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Post by: Lightning on May 06, 2006, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: Marine 13
Okay here is a case of bad judgment okay in my area there was this guy who was belived to have killed 2 black drug dealers okay. Well it went to court and they found him not guilty now they are in trial now for the same guy accused of killing 2 whit drug dealers when the decide a verdict you can decide if it was racist or not. also all the mbers on the jury were white.


What was the guy a cop.  Well marine the law is a complicated thing.  To try and make a statement about one person killing  balck people and not being guilty and then acused of killing a white and what guilty or not.  Alot depens on your county and the level of information that the DA chooses to go to trial with.  Unless you sit through both cases and hear all the information I don't think you can make that call.  I am sure that the jury from the first case didn't hear the second case.  The law states that you are innocent until proven guilty.  In some Counties this just isnt the case.   I have worked in counties that will go to trial for anything.  Others that you better have a confession or alot of witness or you will never see the inside of a court room.  

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Its hilarious to see so many kids here who were raised by TV.  You're all retarded and lost.

If African niggers would stop fucking each other, they'd stop spreading AIDS, wouldn't they?  

We're not all the same.  Equality is a lie.  And most of you are confused little boys who've been raised on Nickelodeon and MTV and have no idea what the real world is like.

LETS SAVE EVERYBODY!!!!

Name one, just one, majority black country, city, or civilization that was successful.  One.  And not some pie in the sky 'african-american studies' pipe dream historical revisionism.  Niggers are prone to crime, it is genetic just like their simian features.  Whites, and Orientals, on the other hand, are able to take a more abstract view, and are able to work together to create a society.  

Did you know that the average IQ of a black African is 80?


If aids was just spread from doing the bone dance then I believe it would be much more controlable.  But the sad fact is that its not.  In a country ravaged by war in the early 1980's the risk of getting it by transfusion was prob. quite high.  Espicially in a third world country.

Here how about a black president for the US.  Does that count.  Get ready.
http://www.rice2008.com/
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on May 06, 2006, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
And most of you are confused little boys who've been raised on Nickelodeon and MTV and have no idea what the real world is like.


not me, i don't get any other channels but PBS and Telemundo(mexican TV). That's why my spanish is decent, i watch unbiased news, and i'm able to judge which bands are good or not based on if i like them, not if they have a "cool music-video".(<----result of MTV).
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 08:10:05 PM
MTV is just emo and pop stuff.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: socrry on May 06, 2006, 08:52:45 PM
all MTV has is pretty stupid reality TV anyways
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Marine 13 on May 06, 2006, 08:53:06 PM
well most the evedince pinted to him first: The bodys were buried in his back yard and he burned then cause well the convicted him of burning them not killing the ppl.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 08:56:20 PM
Burning them is killing them..
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Marine 13 on May 06, 2006, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: Marine 13
well most the evedince pinted to him first: The bodys were buried in his back yard and he burned then cause well the convicted him of burning them not killing the ppl.
pkay i am tired thats why there are so many spelling errors.Also i hope we do get a women president cause so far all the guys have ruined this country. Except a select few but still. If it was a black women president that would be amazing like killing 2 birds with one stone.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Marine 13 on May 06, 2006, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Burning them is killing them..
they were dead before he  burned them.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
We will never get a women president you know why?  Because all the southern people dont want that to happen.  And the islamic citizens?  They wouldnt vote for a women, and all the white people wouldnt vote for a black female or male.  End of that story.
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Post by: marine13 on May 06, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
ya i know thats what sucks. America is based around men being superior we hate being put down.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 09:24:23 PM
you bet :D
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Post by: marine13 on May 06, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
lol but it would be neat maybe a women president would do us good. Or she just might say " attention: all americans get over you lazy asses and do sumtin or we all go to hell".
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 09:29:51 PM
Instead of having mamograms there would be testisgram.  You know whats funny?  Heres what Testis comes from, The word "testis" is a Latin word that means "witness." Quote from bible "In ancient times, a person providing testimony might validate it by holding the scrotum, his or another man's. "And the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and sware to him concerning the matter." (Genesis 24:9)"
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Partyboy on May 06, 2006, 09:43:27 PM
This thread goes from subject to subject.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on May 06, 2006, 09:52:13 PM
is that a good thing?
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 06, 2006, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Partyboy
This thread goes from subject to subject.

it's called a discussion.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: socrry on May 07, 2006, 05:08:47 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
is that a good thing?

Probably
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [TBD] Admin/head on May 07, 2006, 07:25:56 AM
Kraut gave me - rep for saying illusion was better then he was :)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Partyboy on May 07, 2006, 07:31:21 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
it's called a discussion.



or an argument (Public Vs *MAFIA*)
Title: Terrorism
Post by: Swifty on May 07, 2006, 07:36:04 AM
Or retarded
Title: Terrorism
Post by: ICEMAN on May 07, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Swifty
Or retarded

Just because you don't understand what we are saying swifty, because it's too high above yo' shovel-faced head, doesn't mean it's retarded.
Title: Terrorism
Post by: [TBD] Admin/head on May 07, 2006, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ICEMAN
Just because you don't understand what we are saying swifty, because it's too high above yo' shovel-faced head, doesn't mean it's retarded.



Hurry and join doa :p
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: cobra commander on November 16, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
I say we round up all the ragg heads and put them in france
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: offline on November 16, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
I say we round up all the ragg heads and put them in france
Nice 3-year-old thread revival.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: cobra commander on November 16, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
some of them little raggies are all ready in france i say we finish the job
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Dune Surfer on November 16, 2009, 01:54:53 PM
Quote
OH DEAR
           IT SEAMS THAT YOUR DEAD
                    AND I,M NOT

That spelling is bad enough for a simple post, but to use it as your signature? All I can say is wow.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Whoops on November 16, 2009, 03:13:48 PM
Cut him some slack, he's 14.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: cobra commander on November 16, 2009, 03:39:45 PM
look dont think of my any less but I went to a chatholic school and it totally fucked up my life and I'm trying to deal by keeping up will your hip young lingo son
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on November 16, 2009, 03:45:55 PM
Back on topic -

What do you guys think about the trial?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/16/cnn-poll-americans-want-ksm-tried-in-military-court/

Terrorist!



And what about the Ft. Hood guy?

Terrorist!
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on November 16, 2009, 03:54:48 PM
look dont think of my any less but I went to a chatholic school and it totally fucked up my life and I'm trying to deal by keeping up will your hip young lingo son
Chatholic school huh? Sounds like a school that my ex attended.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Hellraiser on November 16, 2009, 04:19:48 PM
There is a terrorist in my pants!!!!!!
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on November 16, 2009, 05:47:11 PM
I say we round up all the ragg heads and put them in france
How would that solve anything?

I hope you choke on your keyboard while trying to type your response.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* masebot1 on November 17, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
There no such thing as terrorism. Just assholes.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: D.C navy on March 31, 2010, 04:23:05 PM
There no such thing as terrorism. Just assholes.
i disagree there not assholes there just dip shits who like to murder people
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: offline on March 31, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Why must you spam the forum by reviving old topics?
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* BassSlappa on April 04, 2010, 07:09:07 PM
stfu navy
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* lkjx on July 30, 2012, 04:55:05 AM
You know I was there when the first bomb fell and I was there on the main attack, 3rd wave 82nd ba'c co'4 pa'2 and I will say I hade bullets, rockets, bombs, grenades, aa, heavy armour, and mortor fire at my ass and you know what I did? I killed me 7 of them allah loving son of a bitches with my trusty .50cal with a simons 120x50 scope at ranges of up to 1.2 miles.

So dont tell me about this terrorist BS! I was there I seen the people happy to be free of that fucking tirants rule. True not all of them see the same but the ones that do and walked up to me and thanked me for there new found freedom I must say it was worth it to protect human rights to life and freedom.

I did not do it for bush or for my co or for my self glory I did it to protect the basic human right to freedom and peace.

So dont even dare call me a fucking terrorist...
Thank goodness... I was starting to believe everyone about Bonehead not really being Senior Master Sniper, then I found this gem. Glory restored.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: Loaded on July 30, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
simons 120x50... Gotta love that scope he talked about. 1st, no such thing as a 120 power scope and there Is no way in hell a China made simons would be placed a 50 cal, I believe "nightforce" scopes are the optics of choice in a 18 to 24 power. What a numb nut he is.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Scooby on July 30, 2012, 05:22:49 PM
So dont even dare call me a fucking terrorist...

From one terrorist to another, you're a terrorist Bonehead.

A Twinkie factory terrorist.
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Hellraiser on September 03, 2012, 09:58:14 AM
You know I was there when the first bomb fell and I was there on the main attack, 3rd wave 82nd ba'c co'4 pa'2 and I will say I hade bullets, rockets, bombs, grenades, aa, heavy armour, and mortor fire at my ass and you know what I did? I killed me 7 of them allah loving son of a bitches with my trusty .50cal with a simons 120x50 scope at ranges of up to 1.2 miles.

So dont tell me about this terrorist BS! I was there I seen the people happy to be free of that fucking tirants rule. True not all of them see the same but the ones that do and walked up to me and thanked me for there new found freedom I must say it was worth it to protect human rights to life and freedom.

I did not do it for bush or for my co or for my self glory I did it to protect the basic human right to freedom and peace.

So dont even dare call me a fucking terrorist...
  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA .  I had to go back and read some of this shit.  Just makes me laugh. 
Title: Re: Terrorism
Post by: *MAFIA* Scooby on September 03, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
 BAHAHAHAHAHAHA .  I had to go back and read some of this shit.  Just makes me laugh.  

Bonehead knows the true horror of war. He even had anti-aircraft fire and heavy armor at his ass.









Probably because he's as fat as a cargo plane.

(http://i.imgur.com/I58q3.jpg)