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Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Capsloc on July 13, 2006, 02:43:50 PM
What do u guys think is the best song of all time.

here  is mine:
Bod Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Bonehead on July 13, 2006, 02:48:24 PM
Mine is

West coast beaners: The taco shack attack
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Post by: *MAFIA* Balthazar on July 13, 2006, 02:58:08 PM
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven

Masterful song writing, musicianship and composition. It's hard to find songs that have such great components all rolled up in one.
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Post by: MeZmoriZe on July 13, 2006, 02:58:35 PM
Bon Jovi - Livin' on a Prayer or Bach - Canon(D Minor)
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 13, 2006, 03:23:52 PM
Dead or Alive-You spin me Right round
   or
Cab Calloway-Minnie the Moocher (the song that an old black dude sings on "Blues Brothers" when they're stalling for time in the end of the movie.)
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 13, 2006, 04:43:50 PM
Riot Wing - USA is not for you esse
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 13, 2006, 05:52:24 PM
I cant really think of one, but im gonna say:   Led Zeppelin - The Ocean
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Post by: *MAFIA* Phantom on July 13, 2006, 06:48:47 PM
My favorite is the starwars theme song lol!

I don't really have favorites, but I love songs that let your mind wander.
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Post by: socrry on July 13, 2006, 07:54:54 PM
Queen-Bohemian Rhapsody
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 13, 2006, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: socrry
Queen-Bohemian Rhapsody

that is a good song, i know most of you will say wtf? to this one but, Seether - Fine Again
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Post by: socrry on July 14, 2006, 06:04:36 AM
that is a good song, but probably not the best of all time
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 14, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: socrry
Queen-Bohemian Rhapsody


Which part of the song, which is about getting aids from having ass sex, which was written by a queer sand nigger, which part do you identify with and like the most?  Is it more the anal sex or the aids?  Or maybe its the symbolism of 'pulled my trigger, now he's dead?'  I'll leave it for an exercise for the reader to figure out what his 'trigger' might be.
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 14, 2006, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
that is a good song, i know most of you will say wtf? to this one but, Seether - Fine Again




Yeah, I remember you told me on vent :)
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 14, 2006, 09:41:42 AM
Also, seether is a fat dude in eye makeup.  I feel ashamed even knowing that.

'Corporate rock can suck my cock.'
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 14, 2006, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I'll leave it for an exercise for the reader to figure out what his 'trigger' might be.

i've heard that aswell, where was freddy mercury from if he's "sand nigger." He looked mexican to me, or just like a tan muscly homo white guy.
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 14, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
Dont fuck with the mexicans motherfuckers I'll fuck your shit up.

Quote from: *MAFIA* Bonehead
Mine is

West coast beaners: The taco shack attack


LOL wtf


But back on topic, I dont have a favorite song.
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Post by: Elliott Smith on July 14, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
Roy Orbison - "Pretty Woman"  Nobody can touch Roy Orbison.  He's got The Voice!  And I think Freddie Mercury is actually from the planet Mercury, making him a race unknown.  But for real, he's Indian.  Or at least that's what part of him would... ahem, warrant... being called a... ahem, "sand nigger."
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 14, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
ahem...that would make him ahem...being so PC here...hope the sociology professor is watching....it would make him a turban nigger.  When are we going to hang out and smoke all your dope, bitch?

He's Iranian, so even though Iranians aren't Arabs, he's still a sand nigger.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 14, 2006, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16

He's Iranian, so even though Iranians aren't Arabs, he's still a sand nigger.

so full of hatred. So what's the deal, is he Indian or Iranian?
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 15, 2006, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
so full of hatred. So what's the deal, is he Indian or Iranian?



He'd actually be somewhat related to you, by way of your jewish grandfather, since he's a Parsi, even though Persians aren't normally considered a Semitic people.  You probably share some of the same genes through intermixing.

Parsi are ethnic Persians who live in India.  Iran was/is Persia.  Therefore, by blood he is Iranian/Persian.  There are isolated pockets of other Persians, but they are remnants of the Persian empire and are of Iranian/Persian blood as well since miscegenation is discouraged and they tend to be an insular people when among larger host societies.  Unless you're sitting in your Sociology 101 class, that is.  


Incidentally, Persians were originally part of the Indo-European(Aryan) peoples.  Building an empire and mixing their blood with the blood of conquered peoples has resulted in what is modern day backwards ass Iran, which is still more progressive than the Arab countries surrounding them.

Don't they teach anything in school?
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 15, 2006, 09:37:31 AM
Hey when are you going to join *MAFIA* again, shit got my vote.
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 15, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Also, seether is a fat dude in eye makeup.  I feel ashamed even knowing that.

'Corporate rock can suck my cock.'

well, i could really care less what he looks like, i just like the music. Queer as he may be he can make some good songs in my opinion.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 15, 2006, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
well, i could really care less what he looks like, i just like the music. Queer as he may be he can make some good songs in my opinion.

Yeah, good music is good music, no matter who the artist is.  I like a lot of Elton John's songs, but I don't agree with the lifestyle he has taken.  Terrell Owens/Dennis Rodman/Ty Cobb may not be the most likable people but they have excelled in their sports.

Anyway, back on topic.  I guess I'll agree with Balth, "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin is probably the best.  Although I love Bob Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone" as well.  In a very close 12-way tie for 2nd, I'll have to give it to these others:

Rightous Brothers - "Unchained Melody"
The Beatles - "Hey Jude"
The Eagles - "Hotel California"
The Who - "Baby O'Riley"
The Rolling Stones - "Paint It Black"
Boston - "More Than A Feeling"
Aerosmith - "Dream On"
Jimi Hendrix - "Purple Haze"
Journey - "Don't Stop Believing"
U2 - "With Or Without You"
Guns 'N Roses - "November Rain"
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

Come on Laz, where is your post?  We all know what your favorite song is...
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Post by: TheJudge on July 15, 2006, 02:03:34 PM
Offspring- The kids aren't alright
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Post by: Koekiemonster on July 15, 2006, 02:31:59 PM
Mine used to be: Stained - It's been a while
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 15, 2006, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: Koekiemonster
Mine used to be: Stained - It's been a while

that is a very good song.
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 15, 2006, 04:10:55 PM
This may be a suprise to most of you MTV children here, but people write songs about what they know.   I know the video is more important than the lyrics, but if you pay attention, most bands are trying to say something.  Elton John has a lot of songs that involve queerdom, you say you don't agree with his lifestyle but you like his music...this makes you a hypocrite.  If you've ever actually paid for a EJ album, then you have directly paid for his astroglide and sphincter reduction surgery.

I don't like niggers, so I don't listen to nigger music.  You say you don't like homosexuality, but you listen to songs about homosexuality and possibly help to pay for a queer lifestyle.  It would appear there is a mental disconnect happening somewhere.  

Blakjax, theres a whole world of music out there that isn't carefully packaged corporate rock.  If you want to listen to a fat guy wearing makeup, I suggest Il Duche.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 15, 2006, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
He'd actually be somewhat related to you, by way of your jewish grandfather, since he's a Parsi, even though Persians aren't normally considered a Semitic people.
I have a jewish grandmother, not grandfather and she converted in the 30's so i'm not middle eastern/parsi. My grandfather fought in the Wehrmacht...th ere's a bit of a difference.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 15, 2006, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Elton John has a lot of songs that involve queerdom, you say you don't agree with his lifestyle but you like his music...this makes you a hypocrite.  If you've ever actually paid for a EJ album, then you have directly paid for his astroglide and sphincter reduction surgery.  You say you don't like homosexuality, but you listen to songs about homosexuality and possibly help to pay for a queer lifestyle.  It would appear there is a mental disconnect happening somewhere.

Define hypocrite for me, in your own words, because although I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree.  No, I have never purchased an Elton John album, I just download some of his mp3s.  Yes I like his music - the actual MUSICAL part of it - the chords, melody, harmony, rythm, beat, ect.  He doesn't even write his own lyrics, they are written by Bernie Taupin (who is NOT gay).  Elton John might assist at times, but mainly he just writes the music.  Check out this website if you don't believe me:   http://www.songmeanings.net/artist.php?aid=157, or do some more searching elsewhere.

There is no "mental disconnect happening" anywhere, you just want to believe there is one.  I'm not supporting his lifestyle by listening to his music.  That is your opinion.  Take this for example.  I like to watch sports.  If a football/basketball/baseball player is gay, but he's still good at his sport, and I enjoy watching his team play, does that mean I support his lifestyle?  No way.  That has nothing to do with it.  Now if I watch his reality tv show about him living with is boyfriend or something, then that would definitely be questionable.  But I wouldn't.

All I'm trying to say is that he is a good musician, nothing more, nothing less.  The fact that he's gay doesn't take away from his talent.  Phantom is gay but he still owns everyone at Battlefield.  If he wasn't gay, would he be a better player?  No.  You just like to make assumptions about people and sometimes you're right and sometimes you're wrong.  Just let it go man....
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 15, 2006, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Blakjax, theres a whole world of music out there that isn't carefully packaged corporate rock.  If you want to listen to a fat guy wearing makeup, I suggest Il Duche.

sorry, i didnt know im not allowed to like things that sound good to my ears. I know you think they sound like shit, and you may think im a faggot for liking it. But in all honesty i really dont give a shit. i like what i like, and it ends there.
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 15, 2006, 06:20:43 PM
The Ramones - I wanna be sedated.
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Post by: Elliott Smith on July 16, 2006, 12:30:23 PM
GWAR will never give a damn what any of you have to say.  We're never going to hang out.  You're a fat neonazi, and I don't have time for you.  I'd rather smoke my weed with my friends, not with some douchebag looking for free weed and a college student spending daddy's money to rag on.  Please.  You're lame.
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 16, 2006, 12:56:40 PM
Ha, ouch Elliot.  I think Gwar is just a bit misunderstood, that's all.  If the offer is still on I would gladly pay him a visit with my brother like I said I would, if we ever drive by that way together which I doubt, but you never know.  Who am I to judge him?  Its just a matter of sometimes not agreeing with him...

Back on topic - what else do you guys think is the best song ever?
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Post by: *MAFIA* Milky Way on July 16, 2006, 01:03:50 PM
Britney Spear - Toxic (phantom got me into it)
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 16, 2006, 01:05:45 PM
Pearl Jam - Alive
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Post by: Elliott Smith on July 16, 2006, 01:22:07 PM
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Sleep: Murray Ostril (They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach); Monheim; broken windows, locks of love pt. III. / 3rd part  Not the best, but really nice.

p.s. nevermind, I'm going to leave this GWAR business alone.
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Post by: Koekiemonster on July 16, 2006, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
Pearl Jam - Alive


Must agree with you on that one, it's a classic
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 16, 2006, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Sleep: Murray Ostril (They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach); Monheim; broken windows, locks of love pt. III. / 3rd part  Not the best, but really nice.

p.s. nevermind, I'm going to leave this GWAR business alone.




LOL i wish you and evil moose of doom would go at it again http://www.mafiaowns.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1307
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 16, 2006, 01:39:29 PM
Ha, yeah - [DOA] Pirate is so full of himself.

Laz, post your song now you nub...
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 16, 2006, 01:42:37 PM
Hey lester 82 you post it for me ;)
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 16, 2006, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* |LAAZT1K|03
Hey lester 82 you post it for me ;)

George Michael - "Father Figure"
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 16, 2006, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
George Michael - "Father Figure"

LOL. thats terrible.
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 16, 2006, 07:05:56 PM
ROFL i say it as a joke and yall think i really like it.......what do i look like gio LOL.
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Post by: Koekiemonster on July 17, 2006, 12:58:58 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* |LAAZT1K|03
ROFL i say it as a joke and yall think i really like it.......what do i look like gio LOL.


Come on now Laaz, post your favourite song you Nigga ... :)
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Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 17, 2006, 08:23:44 AM
Quote from: Koekiemonster
Come on now Laaz, post your favourite song you Nigga ... :)

say beaner, he wants to be black, and we dont like him so we try to call him beaner as much as possible haha./
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Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 17, 2006, 08:33:10 AM
:| Natural Born Killers
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Post by: Koekiemonster on July 17, 2006, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* |LAAZT1K|03
:| Natural Born Killers


There you go ... Beaner, haha jk Laaz love ya ;)
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Post by: *MAFIA* Kingpin on July 17, 2006, 11:15:01 AM
Sublime - Caress Me Down
Gary Jules - Mad World (donnie darko)

theres so many goods songs, its impossible for me to think of at the moment, i think this question is impossible to answer for most, to many songs have touched people, and then you forget about them... who knows
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
GWAR will never give a damn what any of you have to say.  We're never going to hang out.  You're a fat neonazi, and I don't have time for you.  I'd rather smoke my weed with my friends, not with some douchebag looking for free weed and a college student spending daddy's money to rag on.  Please.  You're lame.



Lets get together in person.  I've asked over and over...You're only like two hours away.

You can tell how much of my 240 pounds is fat by looking at the pics that I've posted, big guy.  You're all mouth, much like any other bourgeois college boy.

We don't even have to smoke your weed.  I'll just push you down and kick some sand in your face.  Bring your ak-47 owning nigger drug dealer friends with you.(You do still have some, right?), I'll bring the niggerstick.  

You're confused though, I wasn't actually planning on smoking it with you.  I meant more like bitch slapping you out of your girls emo ringer t and taking it.

You are right, I never will give a damn what you have to say.
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Define hypocrite for me, in your own words, because although I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree.  No, I have never purchased an Elton John album, I just download some of his mp3s.  Yes I like his music - the actual MUSICAL part of it - the chords, melody, harmony, rythm, beat, ect.  He doesn't even write his own lyrics, they are written by Bernie Taupin (who is NOT gay).  Elton John might assist at times, but mainly he just writes the music.  Check out this website if you don't believe me:   http://www.songmeanings.net/artist.php?aid=157, or do some more searching elsewhere.

There is no "mental disconnect happening" anywhere, you just want to believe there is one.  I'm not supporting his lifestyle by listening to his music.  That is your opinion.  Take this for example.  I like to watch sports.  If a football/basketball/baseball player is gay, but he's still good at his sport, and I enjoy watching his team play, does that mean I support his lifestyle?  No way.  That has nothing to do with it.  Now if I watch his reality tv show about him living with is boyfriend or something, then that would definitely be questionable.  But I wouldn't.

All I'm trying to say is that he is a good musician, nothing more, nothing less.  The fact that he's gay doesn't take away from his talent.  Phantom is gay but he still owns everyone at Battlefield.  If he wasn't gay, would he be a better player?  No.  You just like to make assumptions about people and sometimes you're right and sometimes you're wrong.  Just let it go man....


I'm not opposed to homosexuality on biblical grounds like you are.  I find my own asshole disgusting and can only imagine what another man's asshole must be like.  I don't believe in a book that tells me to stone homosexuals to death, although I would gladly heave a rock at a fag, so there is a higher standard(jeeeeeeeeesus!) that you're held to.


If you watch a sports team with a homosexual player, and in all likelihood you probably do, yes, you're paying his salary.  You're paying his salary by watching the commercials, you're paying his salary by looking at the advertisements in the field, you're paying his salary by buying a ticket to the game or buying team merchandise.  If you want to rationalize it away, be my guest, however I will always be here to remind you of your hypocrisy.


He's a good musician, and hes also been a homosexual advocate his entire life.  His fans have enabled him to wield more power than he would normally have had if he were a John Doe queer, and he's used his bully pulpit for a number of queer causes.  So yes, you share some culpability in providing him with a life and a platform that he probably wouldn't have had as a 'normal' queer.
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
sorry, i didnt know im not allowed to like things that sound good to my ears. I know you think they sound like shit, and you may think im a faggot for liking it. But in all honesty i really dont give a shit. i like what i like, and it ends there.


I don't remember saying you weren't allowed, I said there is music out there that is being made by people who aren't some idiotic act put together by a hollywood jewboy like swampfox.  Go spice girls.


Remember when you used to talk about how you were a Nazi?  I do.
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Ha, ouch Elliot.  I think Gwar is just a bit misunderstood, that's all.  If the offer is still on I would gladly pay him a visit with my brother like I said I would, if we ever drive by that way together which I doubt, but you never know.  Who am I to judge him?  Its just a matter of sometimes not agreeing with him...

Back on topic - what else do you guys think is the best song ever?


If I remember correctly you've driven through a couple of times since then.  I'm only about an hour away from I-95.

I think the best song ever is http://media.putfile.com/GG-Allin---Kill-the-children-save-the-food
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* |LAAZT1K|03
LOL i wish you and evil moose of doom would go at it again http://www.mafiaowns.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1307



Why?  So he can talk at him over the internet?

He has a chance to do more than talk, but I guess it starts and ends on a message board for Elliot.
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
I have a jewish grandmother, not grandfather and she converted in the 30's so i'm not middle eastern/parsi. My grandfather fought in the Wehrmacht...th ere's a bit of a difference.


So you're saying your 'German' grandmother, in Germany, in the 1930's converted to Judaism?  What timing.  Do you have any idea how expensive, time consuming, and complicated it is to 'convert' to Judaism?  Its a closed club...they're not interested in 'saving souls' like xtians are.

But back on track, in Hitler's Germany, this German women 'converted' to Judaism, while her husband was fighting in the German war machine?  How ever did she escape being gassed?

Sure.
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Post by: Koekiemonster on July 17, 2006, 04:34:18 PM
CLOSED and moved to "Dickhead Stupidass Motherfucker replied to this thread too many times for anyone to take seriously section" Lol

Gwar, you suck donkey balls as Bone would say haha
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Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: Koekiemonster
CLOSED and moved to "Dickhead Stupidass Motherfucker replied to this thread too many times for anyone to take seriously section" Lol

Gwar, you suck donkey balls as Bone would say haha



Boot lickers never get any respect, don't you know that yet?
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Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I don't believe in a book that tells me to stone homosexuals to death, although I would gladly heave a rock at a fag, so there is a higher standard(jeeeeeeeeesus!) that you're held to.

If you remember me saying so before, I'm no Biblical scholar.  I have not read the book cover to cover.  I asked some people and tried to look it up, but I cannot find a verse where the Bible "tells" me to stone gays.  There are definitely instances, mostly in the Old Testament, that gays are killed, but it doesn't command me to do so.  Do you mind helping me out and pointing out the verse in the Bible that says that? It commands me to share the gospel with them and that is what I try to do.  God will judge them, not me.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you watch a sports team with a homosexual player, and in all likelihood you probably do, yes, you're paying his salary.  You're paying his salary by watching the commercials, you're paying his salary by looking at the advertisements in the field, you're paying his salary by buying a ticket to the game or buying team merchandise.  If you want to rationalize it away, be my guest, however I will always be here to remind you of your hypocrisy.

I am not aware of a team with an openly gay player on it, although I agree there are probably several out there that we don't know about.  I am not purposely watching a game to see a gay guy, I'm doing it because I love the sport.  That is where my money is going, to the sport.  They will do with it what they please, but you are going to twist it around and try to make it look like I am being a hypocrite by saying I don't like gays but I give them money.  Its not like that and nobody believes it but you.  Whatever you purchase from anywhere, probably has some type of link to homosexuality to it as well, but I'm not going to accuse you of "supporting" them because I know that is not your true intention.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16

He's a good musician...So yes, you share some culpability in providing him with a life and a platform that he probably wouldn't have had as a 'normal' queer.

No I don't share any of that.  The only point, THE ONLY POINT that I was trying to get across was that he was a good musician, regardless of his sexual preference.  You said:
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Elton John has a lot of songs that involve queerdom
now literally they don't.  He doesn't write the lyrics, just the music.  Please let me know if there is a way to listen to just music, with no words, and determine that it is gay.  Indirectly his songs involve "queerdom," because he is a "queer" and he is singing them, yes, but I don't think that is what you were trying to say.  Anyway, you have agreed with me that he's a good musician so I'm done commenting here.  

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If I remember correctly you've driven through a couple of times since then.  I'm only about an hour away from I-95.

Yes I have but with friends and cats, not my brother, the person whom you said you wanted to meet.  I doubt we'll ever be travelling that way together, or have the time to stop, but if we do I'll try to let you know, as long as your intentions are different from yours with Elliot.

Quote from: Koekiemonster
CLOSED and moved to "Dickhead Stupidass

Not closed, but [COLOR="Red"]moved [/COLOR]to SPAM...
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Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 17, 2006, 05:03:34 PM
Hey Gwar wanna go street racing, in greensboro on florida St. ???
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
If you remember me saying so before, I'm no Biblical scholar.  I have not read the book cover to cover.  I asked some people and tried to look it up, but I cannot find a verse where the Bible "tells" me to stone gays.  There are definitely instances, mostly in the Old Testament, that gays are killed, but it doesn't command me to do so.  It commands me to share the gospel with them and that is what I try to do.  God will judge them, not me.


I am not aware of a team with an openly gay player on it, although I agree there are probably several out there that we don't know about.  I am not purposely watching a game to see a gay guy, I'm doing it because I love the sport.  That is where my money is going, to the sport.  They will do with it what they please, but you are going to twist it around and try to make it look like I am being a hypocrite by saying I don't like gays but I give them money.  Its not like that and nobody believes it but you.  Whatever you purchase from anywhere, probably has some type of link to homosexuality to it as well, but I'm not going to accuse you of "supporting" them because I know that is not your true intention.


No I don't share any of that.  The only point, THE ONLY POINT that I was trying to get across was that he was a good musician, regardless of his sexual preference.  You said:now literally they don't.  He doesn't write the lyrics, just the music.  Please let me know if there is a way to listen to just music, with no words, and determine that it is gay.  Indirectly his songs involve "queerdom," because he is a "queer" and he is singing them, yes, but I don't think that is what you were trying to say.  Anyway, you have agreed with me that he's a good musician so I'm done commenting here.  


Yes I have but with friends and cats, not my brother, the person whom you said you wanted to meet.  I doubt we'll ever be travelling that way together, or have the time to stop, but if we do I'll try to let you know, as long as your intentions are different from yours with Elliot.


Not closed, but [COLOR="Red"]moved [/COLOR]to SPAM...


And my point is that people like you who listen to his music, and presumably buy it at some point, enable him to push his pro homosexual agenda.  That is the essence of the argument.  Without fans, many of whom probably consider themselves Christian, he would just be another old queer with a worn out asshole.  Incidentally, if you're downloading his music, you're stealing it, which is one of the 10 commandments.

The difference between me and you, and apparently between people like me and the new form of man like yourself, is that you think your intent is the most pressing matter while I think the consequences are the most important part.  You may not intend to support it, but you do.  'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.'  

Elton John lyrics are easy to find.  I'll sample a few, you tell me if there are homosexual overtones or not.

Album name: "Goodbye yellow brick road" (an obvious reference to The Wizard of Oz/Judy Garland, someone who is loved by homos for some reason)

Song name:  All the girls love Alice  The intent of the song is pretty clear, wouldn't you say?  

Raised to be a lady by the golden rule
Alice was the spawn of a public school
With a double barrel name in the back of her brain
And a simple case of mummy-doesnt-love-me blues

Reality it seems was just a dream
She couldnt get it on with the boys on the scene
But what do you expect from a chick whos just sixteen
And hey, hey, hey, you know what I mean

All the young girls love alice
Tender young alice they say
Come over and see me
Come over and please me
Alice its my turn today

All the young girls love alice
Tender young alice they say
If I give you my number
Will you promise to call me
Wait till my husbands away

Poor little darling with a chip out of her heart
Its like acting in a movie when you got the wrong part
Getting your kicks in another girls bed
And it was only last tuesday they found you in the subway dead

And who could you call your friends down in soho
One or two middle-aged dykes in a go-go
And what do you expect from a sixteen year old yo-yo
And hey, hey, hey, oh dont you know


Those are the lyrics.  So you bringing up the red herring of 'gay music(instrumentals) really has nothing to do with this argument, and I believe you were being intentionally disingenious.  Obviously 'music' can't be gay, but his lyrics definitely can.  Not only gay, but bordering on pedophilia as well.  If you want to push the point, I can go and dig some more for more gay references in his lyrics.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Hey Gwar wanna go street racing, in greensboro on florida St. ???



I've never been to Greensboro, so I have no idea where Florida Street is, but sure, if you have something worth racing I'd go with you.  If its a little ricer with an Autozone 'tuner kit' on it, then forget it.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 05:22:43 PM
GWAR, you tool.  "I hate corporate America" blah blah blah.  You know you can't escape its grasp, so why bother to shove a trumpet in your vagina and preach wholesome commercialism?  Go beat somebody's kids or run over animals or something, but shut the fuck up already.  Now, I'm gonna go buy something gawdy.  Yay!!  LOL!!!!@

You're just another person who'll never be but a dim blip.  I've already lost sight of you.  Ohhp, no more GWAR.  Poor guy.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
GWAR, you tool.  "I hate corporate America" blah blah blah.  You know you can't escape its grasp, so why bother to shove a trumpet in your vagina and preach wholesome commercialism?  Go beat somebody's kids or run over animals or something, but shut the fuck up already.  Now, I'm gonna go buy something gawdy.  Yay!!  LOL!!!!@

You're just another person who'll never be but a dim blip.  I've already lost sight of you.  Ohhp, no more GWAR.  Poor guy.


Consume, bitch.  But don't actually respond to my offer to meet with you so that you can talk tough in person.  Thats the real test, isn't it?

You know you can't win so why try!  Spoken like a true latch key MTV kid.  Now go find something nice and easy to do while you think up a reason why you can't meet with me in person, big guy.

Also, you get irony points for calling me a tool while you're pimping walmart to the masses.  Which company was your rant sponsored in part by?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
So you're saying your 'German' grandmother, in Germany, in the 1930's converted to Judaism?  What timing.  Do you have any idea how expensive, time consuming, and complicated it is to 'convert' to Judaism?  Its a closed club...they're not interested in 'saving souls' like xtians are.

But back on track, in Hitler's Germany, this German women 'converted' to Judaism, while her husband was fighting in the German war machine?  How ever did she escape being gassed?

Sure.

I like how you assume they were married during WWII, among other things. Oh yeah, did i ever say she was in germany in the 30's? Nope, in switzerland. Judaism isn't a "closed club," did you try to convert yourself or something? You don't need to climb a mountain or fight dragons, it's not impossible like you say.
You say "sure" but hey, i don't care. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, just correcting you. You could think she was a one-legged philipino whore for all i care, doesn't make the slightest difference to me.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16

Elton John lyrics are easy to find.  I'll sample a few, you tell me if there are homosexual overtones or not.

Album name: "Goodbye yellow brick road" (an obvious reference to The Wizard of Oz/Judy Garland, someone who is loved by homos for some reason)

Those are the lyrics.  So you bringing up the red herring of 'gay music(instrumentals) really has nothing to do with this argument, and I believe you were being intentionally disingenious.  Obviously 'music' can't be gay, but his lyrics definitely can.  Not only gay, but bordering on pedophilia as well.  If you want to push the point, I can go and dig some more for more gay references in his lyrics.

Well you asked me to tell you if there are homosexual overtones or not, and I'll have to say no.  Have you not read my other posts?  Elton John did not write that song.  Bernie Taupin writes the lyrics and Elton writes the music  and sings it  Look here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Yellow_Brick_Road_(song)
Also, I am a fan of the Wizard of Oz, but not so much Judy Garland.  She's ok I guess.  I watched the movie a lot growing up, it is a classic.  Great music and great story.  Does that make me gay?  Ha, I hope not.  But I know who I am and thats all that matters, I could care less of what others think, especially people on video games forums.  God will judge me.  I am just interested in other people's ideas, thoughts, and opinions for some reason, and this is all quite interesting and fun for me.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.'

Are you trying to say I'm headed to hell?  If so, let's hear you back that one up.  And what about the Bible scripture that "tells" me to stone gays?  Are you still searching for that or will you admit it doesn't exist?

Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
You're just another person who'll never be but a dim blip.  I've already lost sight of you.  Ohhp, no more GWAR.  Poor guy.

Ah, be nice.  I think he's more than just that.  He's a unique individual with a lot to say, and a lot to disagree with.  I'm glad I'm not him for 2 reasons though:  having to respond to several people on this thread, and being a lost man without a savior.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:41:57 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
I like how you assume they were married during WWII, among other things. Oh yeah, did i ever say she was in germany in the 30's? Nope, in switzerland. Judaism isn't a "closed club," did you try to convert yourself or something? You don't need to climb a mountain or fight dragons, it's not impossible like you say.
You say "sure" but hey, i don't care. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, just correcting you. You could think she was a one-legged philipino whore for all i care, doesn't make the slightest difference to me.



A one legged phillipino whore converting would be more believable.  I think either, a: shes a jewess and your family has tried to explain it away, or b: you're making more shit up like you're inclined to do.

How do I know the sky is fucking blue?  Because I fucking learned it.  How do you know things?  I have researched it, have you?  Let me break it down for you, Avi.  Here is a jewish site that talks about converting...d o you think you have to do all this if you walk into the Wilkesboro Baptist Church?  No.


http://www.convert.org/process.htm

2. FINDING A RABBI

If, after the initial consideration, a person wishes to explore conversion more fully, the next step is to find a rabbi. This part of the process can be difficult for several reasons. Obviously, individual rabbis differ. Some devote more time than others to conversion candidates. Some adhere to an ancient tradition of turning away a candidate three times to test the candidate's sincerity. In general, though, rabbis are extremely dedicated people who are both intelligent and religiously sensitive. They are Judaism's gatekeepers. They decide who can enter into Judaism. Given their central importance to a potential convert, it makes sense to visit several rabbis and several synagogues to look for a compatible match.

If you are looking for a rabbi, check with friends and family for advice. Contact a local board of rabbis or other Jewish group, or check a local telephone directory. You can also contact the movements directly. See the section "Getting More Information About Conversion to Judaism."

A second problem is that rabbis belong to different groupings or movements. The four major movements are Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstruction ist, and Reform Judaism. It is important for potential candidates to understand the differences among these movement and choose which movement is right for them.

When a person does see a rabbi, the rabbi can authoritativel y answer questions about conversion. If the person has already decided to convert, the rabbi will probably ask a series of questions about that decision. Such questions might include some of these:

Why do you want to convert?
What is your religious background?
What do you know about Judaism?
Do you know the differences between Judaism and your birth religion?
Were you pressured to convert?
Are you willing to spend the necessary time studying to become Jewish?
Are you willing to raise any children you might have as Jewish?
Have you discussed this decision with your family?
Do you have any questions about Judaism or conversion?

Wow...My family was hard core pentecostal until I was 12 years old, I saw dozens of new people come into our church.  I never remember anyone asking them these questions, just making them welcome and possibly baptising them.

3. LEARNING JUDAISM

A decision has been made to study Judaism, and a rabbi has agreed to oversee that studying. A person might not yet be fully sure that a conversion is right, but the initial steps of exploration will continue. Even those who don't ultimately convert generally find that studying Judaism is both interesting and helpful in their making a final decision about conversion.

Converts study Judaism in a variety of ways. Some work directly with a rabbi, meeting regularly and fulfilling specific study assignments. Others attend formal Introduction to Judaism or conversion classes, often with their Jewish romantic partner. A typical course of study will include basic Jewish beliefs and religious practices, such as prayer services, the history of the Jewish people, the Jewish home, the Jewish holidays and life cycle, the Holocaust, and Israel, as well as other topics. The study of Hebrew is also included.

The period of study varies greatly. In general, the range is from six months to a year, although there are variations. Many Gentiles preparing to marry someone Jewish go through this process early so as to get married in a Jewish ceremony. A marriage between someone born Jewish and someone who becomes Jewish is a Jewish marriage, not an intermarriage. If this is a crucial issue, plan to begin study well before a wedding.

Usually during this study period, a rabbi will ask that the person begin practicing Judaism according to the understanding of the movement. This can be a worthwhile time to explore Judaism. For example, even if a person does not ultimately plan to keep kosher (observe Jewish ritual rules about food), it is valuable to explore the rules for keeping kosher during this period of study.

So there is a great deal of study involved.  For a jew by blood this isn't a problem, as they have been brought up in this enviroment, and also set aside time to study for the bat/bar mitzvah.  What do you have to study to become a xtian?

4. THE RELIGIOUS COURT

The Religious Court, or Bet Din, most often consists of three people, at least one of whom must be a rabbi. Often it consists of three rabbis. The Bet Din officially oversees the formal conversion. Individual rabbis will provide guidance about how the Bet Din works. Because it takes place after learning, one part of the appearance will be to determine the Jewish knowledge of the conversion candidate. There might, for example be a question about the meaning of the Jewish Sabbath or about the Jewish belief in one God. These questions are not meant to trap candidates. Obviously, candidates are nervous during such questioning, but in almost all cases the questions are simply meant to assess the sincerity of the candidate and to make sure the conversion was entered into freely. Often an oath of allegiance to the Jewish people is made

Ahh, the religious court.  In other words, you have to be judged worthy by jews to be let into the tribe.  It doesn't happen very often, and most conversions are by people who marry a jew.  Which xtian court judges your worth again?


5. CIRCUMCISION

The specific requirements for conversion and their order need to be discussed with a rabbi. One requirement for males who wish to be converted by an Orthodox or Conservative rabbi is circumcision, or brit milah. If a circumcision has already been performed, the Orthodox and Conservative movements require that a drop of blood be drawn as a symbolic circumcision. This ceremony is called Hatafat Dam Brit. The Reform and Reconstruction ist movements generally do not require a circumcision as part of the conversion process.

Ah yes, don't forget to chop part of your dick off in a blood offering to your desert god.

7. THE OFFERING

In ancient times, conversion candidates brought sacrifices or offerings to the Temple in Jerusalem. After the Temple was destroyed, this ceremony disappeared. Jewish law therefore does not require such an offering. However, some rabbis, especially among the Orthodox, mention it as an opportunity to engage in an act of donating money to the poor or another act of charity to make a symbolic offering. This step can voluntarily be added to the conversion process.

Ahh, now we're getting to the gist of it.  The 'offering,' to G_d of course.  Of course, you can make a 'symbolic offering,' but then what will the religous court think?




I never said converting was impossible, just very costly, time consuming, and difficult.  And its that way by design, because jews have no desire to extend the brotherhood to include the goyem(cattle).

Remember when you used to do nothing but kiss my ass while I ignored you?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
A one legged phillipino whore converting would be more believable.  I think either, a: shes a jewess and your family has tried to explain it away, or b: you're making more shit up like you're inclined to do.

Remember when you used to do nothing but kiss my ass while I ignored you?

what do you mean "she's a jewess and your family has tried to explain it away?"
secondly, why in hell would i want to make this up? Look, i don't care if you believe me or not, but don't call me a fucking straight out liar.
What do you mean i used to kiss your ass? I remember you used to play alot and that you wouldn't kill me, but nothing else. Oh yeah, how does one kiss someone's ass while playing an internet video game?
Just give it up man, i never asked you to believe me, like it ever mattered to me.
What do you mean by "making more shit up like you're inclined to do." What is this "more" shit? What did i "make up" in the past, huh? Go back to arguing about queers, don't try to teach me my family history.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Well you asked me to tell you if there are homosexual overtones or not, and I'll have to say no.  Have you not read my other posts?  Elton John did not write that song.  Bernie Taupin writes the lyrics and Elton writes the music  and sings it  Look here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Yellow_Brick_Road_(song)
Also, I am a fan of the Wizard of Oz, but not so much Judy Garland.  She's ok I guess.  I watched the movie a lot growing up, it is a classic.  Great music and great story.  Does that make me gay?  Ha, I hope not.  But I know who I am and thats all that matters, I could care less of what others think, especially people on video games forums.  God will judge me.  I am just interested in other people's ideas, thoughts, and opinions for some reason, and this is all quite interesting and fun for me.


Are you trying to say I'm headed to hell?  If so, let's hear you back that one up.  And what about the Bible scripture that "tells" me to stone gays?  Are you still searching for that or will you admit it doesn't exist?


Ah, be nice.  I think he's more than just that.  He's a unique individual with a lot to say, and a lot to disagree with.  I'm glad I'm not him for 2 reasons though:  having to respond to several people on this thread, and being a lost man without a savior.



You're being intentionally disingenious again.  You said his 'music' was gay, I provided lyrics that are definitively gay.  Saying they aren't is just an example of you being obtuse.

You being a fan of the Wizard of Oz has nothing to do with the fact that Judy Garland is a homosexual folk hero.  That title in a gay mans album isn't a coincidence.

http://ask.yahoo.com/20030909.html

I can't speak for the accuracy of that but it does set a precedent.  Yet another example of you intentionally misunderstandi ng.  Theres a NS band named Beserkr.  They have an album entitled 'Swindlers Wish.'  It is an obvious take on 'Schindlers List.'  Using your logic, its not, however, despite the fact that they're a Nazi band and they reference an incident in Nazi history.

As for stoning homosexuals in the bible, I passed over it as irrelevant.  Would you like me to start pointing out things that you ignore and/or choose to evade?  But since you insist, here you go.  You might need some scope to get the taste of foot out of your mouth.  Of course, you probably go to a touchy feely feel good church, and they don't cover the meaner bits of the bible.  Isn't historical revisionism wonderful?  You don't even have to follow what you claim to believe.

LEVITICUS 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

That is from the KJV.  There are other versions of the bible(how can there be so many versions of god's word?) in which it specifically mentions stoning as the execution method.

As for me without a savior, my race is my religion, and my skin is my uniform.  You lie there crying for jesus, and I'll depend on my self.  Lets see who helps faster.  When we're both being eaten by worms then we'll know the real truth, won't we?  Besides, I wouldn't want to believe in a god who is so insecure that he has to say, believe in me, without proof, or you will burn in hell for eternity.  I would think a just god would reward honest inquiry.  What is my belief, the belief of a being CREATED by your god, to that omnipotent being?  I guess he just wants to be loved.

I also like your backhanded comments you make.  I always pick up on them...its very xtian of you.  Kind of like preaching on sunday and whoring on monday.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
what do you mean "she's a jewess and your family has tried to explain it away?"
secondly, why in hell would i want to make this up? Look, i don't care if you believe me or not, but don't call me a fucking straight out liar.
What do you mean i used to kiss your ass? I remember you used to play alot and that you wouldn't kill me, but nothing else. Oh yeah, how does one kiss someone's ass while playing an internet video game?
Just give it up man, i never asked you to believe me, like it ever mattered to me.
What do you mean by "making more shit up like you're inclined to do." What is this "more" shit? What did i "make up" in the past, huh? Go back to arguing about queers, don't try to teach me my family history.



If you never asked me to believe you, then why the fuck did you bother to tell me the bullshit in the first place?  Yeah, good question huh?

You said Judaism wasn't hard to convert to.  I provided links to a jewish site that proves it is. Did you forget that part?  Or is that just going to go down the memory hole?

PS.  You're a fucking liar.  Almost forgot that part.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you never asked me to believe you, then why the fuck did you bother to tell me the bullshit in the first place?  Yeah, good question huh?

You said Judaism wasn't hard to convert to.  I provided links to a jewish site that proves it is. Did you forget that part?  Or is that just going to go down the memory hole?

First of all, i was correcting you because you said my grandfather was a jew, he wasn't. Secondly it wasn't "bullshit" but i guess you've decided to think it is, oops, forgot to give a damn. I didn't say it was easy to convert to, i said it wasn't fucking impossible, like you implied. No, i read your whole judaism breakdown, eventhough a moyle isn't nessisary for women, nice try though. Like i said, go back to arguing about homosexuality, don't try to tell me what happened to my family.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
First of all, i was correcting you because you said my grandfather was a jew, he wasn't. Secondly it wasn't "bullshit" but i guess you've decided to think it is, oops, forgot to give a damn. I didn't say it was easy to convert to, i said it wasn't fucking impossible, like you implied. No, i read your whole judaism breakdown, eventhough a moyle isn't nessisary for women, nice try though. Like i said, go back to arguing about homosexuality, don't try to tell me what happened to my family.


If you don't give a damn why are you explaining yourself?  Idiot.

I never said it was impossible, I said it was costly(offering), time consuming(a year of study potentially), and difficult(you have to meet multiple jews and THEY have to let you in.)

Where does that imply impossible?  You're just making shit up now, and not even bothering to try to refute anything.  Keep flailing.

By the way, that came directly from a judaism site. Not from me.  I would think you would have noticed that if you read it.  Are you telling jews what they need?  We used to call that 'straight from the horse's mouth,' eg, directly from the source.  So way to prove me wrong by arguing with the jewish author of that article.  Email him and let him know he's wrong.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Consume, bitch.  But don't actually respond to my offer to meet with you so that you can talk tough in person.  Thats the real test, isn't it?

You know you can't win so why try!  Spoken like a true latch key MTV kid.  Now go find something nice and easy to do while you think up a reason why you can't meet with me in person, big guy.

Also, you get irony points for calling me a tool while you're pimping walmart to the masses.  Which company was your rant sponsored in part by?

I've already responded to your offers ad nauseum.  You direct anger at me, and that's a big turn off, GWAR.  Now do you see why I don't want to meet up with you?  Also, I actually do not consume very much, compared to the average American, in my opinion, but I also choose my battles differently than you do.  Latch key MTV kid... okay.  It always comes back to my music taste: MTV and emo.  I don't like emo, and I don't watch MTV.  Oh, but how could that be if my name is Elliott Smith?  Well, he's not an emo musician, and he's not promoted by MTV.  Also, his music has worn thin for me, and I rarely listen to it anymore.  So, scratch that shoddy criticism off of your tired, crumpled list.  You're such a bullshitter, it isn't even funny.  Does your mother still believe in you?

EDIT: Actually, I do like one album of one emo band: Low Level Owls, Vol. 1 of The Appleseed Cast.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you don't give a damn why are you explaining yourself?  Idiot.

I never said it was impossible, I said it was costly(offering), time consuming(a year of study potentially), and difficult(you have to meet multiple jews and THEY have to let you in.)

Where does that imply impossible?  You're just making shit up now, and not even bothering to try to refute anything.  Keep flailing.

By the way, that came directly from a judaism site. Not from me.  I would think you would have noticed that if you read it.  Are you telling jews what they need?  We used to call that 'straight from the horse's mouth,' eg, directly from the source.  So way to prove me wrong by arguing with the jewish author of that article.  Email him and let him know he's wrong.

You used eg incorrectly.  Learn to write, then start giving yourself some credit.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
I've already responded to your offers ad nauseum.  You direct anger at me, and that's a big turn off, GWAR.  Now do you see why I don't want to meet up with you?  Also, I actually do not consume very much, compared to the average American, in my opinion, but I also choose my battles differently than you do.  Latch key MTV kid... okay.  It always comes back to my music taste: MTV and emo.  I don't like emo, and I don't watch MTV.  Oh, but how could that be if my name is Elliott Smith?  Well, he's not an emo musician, and he's not promoted by MTV.  Also, his music has worn thin for me, and I rarely listen to it anymore.  So, scratch that shoddy criticism off of your tired, crumpled list.  You're such a bullshitter, it isn't even funny.  Does your mother still believe in you?



How many times are you going to come back after you say you're done?  That says something about the content of your character, eh?


I'm going to translate what you said into emo talk so anyone who doesn't wear girl pants and cry when morrisey plays can understand:

"I Elliot am a big pussy and I only argue on the internet.  If I actually live close to someone who is willing to see how big my mouth is in person, I plead emo and say I don't like anger.  I am the perfect neutered American male, aggressive when there is no real consquence but quick to turn tail if any real conflict is offered."

Thats about the gist of what you say.  And you haven't responded to us getting together, you've said you have but you've failed to take the critical step of saying Yes I will or No I won't.  Although believe me, your cowardice shines through bright and clear.


I also like how you don't like anger, but have no problem with speaking angrily at someone.  You probably yell shit at people from moving cars.  I guess your real problem is if the anger is directed at you.

Were you a single child, or the child of a single parent?  If you taken any psych classes you will understand the import of that.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you don't give a damn why are you explaining yourself?  Idiot.

I never said it was impossible, I said it was costly(offering), time consuming(a year of study potentially), and difficult(you have to meet multiple jews and THEY have to let you in.)

Where does that imply impossible?  You're just making shit up now, and not even bothering to try to refute anything.  Keep flailing.

By the way, that came directly from a judaism site. Not from me.  I would think you would have noticed that if you read it.  Are you telling jews what they need?  We used to call that 'straight from the horse's mouth,' eg, directly from the source.  So way to prove me wrong by arguing with the jewish author of that article.  Email him and let him know he's wrong.

Look, keep thinking i'm full of bullshit and making things up, why someone would do that is beyond me...but you can keep on thinking it. I don't care if it came from the judaism site you posted, did you bother reading what i wrote? I said women don't need a moyle, because they don't have a penis. So, what part of that sentence was wrong? I said you need not post a section about getting a tip of your wang cut off if it doesn't apply to what we were talking about (a woman.)
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
You used eg incorrectly.  Learn to write, then start giving yourself some credit.



Really?  Here is what a dictionary says.  Perhaps you can share what you think it means?  I know certain people have trouble distinguishing between IE and EG.  Perhaps you suffer from this as well?

9 entries found for eg.
e.g.
abbr.
Latin. exempli gratia (for example).
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Look, keep thinking i'm full of bullshit and making things up, why someone would do that is beyond me...but you can keep on thinking it. I don't care if it came from the judaism site you posted, did you bother reading what i wrote? I said women don't need a moyle, because they don't have a penis. So, what part of that sentence was wrong? I said you need not post a section about getting a tip of your wang cut off if it doesn't apply to what we were talking about (a woman.)


Only you would think it necessary to point out that women don't need a circumcision.  Most would find that blindingly obvious.

In every post you say you don't care.  And what have I made up?  You sound defensive.

By the way, its not the 'tip of your wang,' it is your foreskin and is no different from clitoris mutilation in arab countries.  Anyone who is circumsised has been mutilated without their consent.  Oh oh its for hygeine!  Then cut off your fucking arms to prevent underarm odor.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:21:28 PM
I like how you've all reduced yourselves to ad hominem attacks, by the way.  You've probably heard a professor talk about those, eh Elliot?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Only you would think it necessary to point out that women don't need a circumcision.  Most would find that blindingly obvious.

In every post you say you don't care.  And what have I made up?  You sound defensive.

Yes, most would find it very obvious...yet you still posted it. Why? Hell, i don't know yet somehow you're giving me shit because you put something in your post that was completely irrelivent.
Yes, people do get defensive when others call them liars and say what happened didn't just because it doesn't seem likely to them.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Yes, most would find it very obvious...yet you still posted it. Why? Hell, i don't know yet somehow you're giving me shit because you put something in your post that was completely irrelivent.
Yes, people do get defensive when others call them liars and say what happened didn't just because it doesn't seem likely to them.



You're saying the same shit over and over.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 06:27:50 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
You're saying the same shit over and over.

Did you bother reading it? It's basically saying that you are calling me an idiot because you put something here that didn't belong. I'm saying it over and over because you can't seem to get it through your head. Why would you call me "defensive" as if it's something you wouldn't expect if i was telling the truth? Would you react calmly if i said you were a catholic and kept arguing it over and over, insisting that you were one? No, you'd probably be pissed off that someone is trying to tell you you're something that you're not. It's not that hard to understand.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 17, 2006, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I've never been to Greensboro, so I have no idea where Florida Street is, but sure, if you have something worth racing I'd go with you.  If its a little ricer with an Autozone 'tuner kit' on it, then forget it.


My acura tl 3.0 (Type S engine) would win :)
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
You said his 'music' was gay, I provided lyrics that are definitively gay.  Saying they aren't is just an example of you being obtuse.

OK, let's back up, when did I say his "music" was gay?  Point that out ot me and I will admit I was wrong, or actually I'll probably just say I didn't mean to type it that way and I didn't proofread.  I said he writes the music to his songs, not the lyrics, and I never knew that just pure music could be heard and defined as "gay."  You did not provide lyrics that are definitively gay, they are in your opinion, not mine.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Would you like me to start pointing out things that you ignore and/or choose to evade?  Of course, you probably go to a touchy feely feel good church, and they don't cover the meaner bits of the bible.

Yes, please start to point out everything, that doesn't scare me.  I don't go to a touch feel good church, I will send you links to Sunday sermons and you can determine for yourself if you are that interested.  

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
LEVITICUS 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

That is from the KJV.  There are other versions of the bible(how can there be so many versions of god's word?) in which it specifically mentions stoning as the execution method.

Well that verse is from, like I predicted, the Old Testament.  God is telling Moses to do those things, not people of today.  We live by the New Testament now, the teachings of Jesus, although we still read and refer to the Old Testament because it is still God's word.  Why are there so many versions of His word?  Great question.  The only answer I can come up with off the top of my head is that it was written in another language and there is no way to directly translate it into English, there are several ways.  But it doesn't matter that some words in people's Bibles are different than others, because it still says the same thing.  Find where Jesus has commanded people to kill gays in the New Testament and then we'll talk.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I also like your backhanded comments you make.  I always pick up on them...its very xtian of you.

When we're both being eaten by worms then we'll know the real truth, won't we?

What do you mean by backhanded comments, and the word "xtian?"  I will have to admit I have no clue what you're talking about...  And yes, only then will you find out the real truth, and of course it'll be too late; you will be wishing that you listened to your friend *MAFIA* Beetlejuice... or will you ;) ?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Did you bother reading it? It's basically saying that you are calling me an idiot because you put something here that didn't belong. I'm saying it over and over because you can't seem to get it through your head. Why would you call me "defensive" as if it's something you wouldn't expect if i was telling the truth? Would you react calmly if i said you were a catholic and kept arguing it over and over, insisting that you were one? No, you'd probably be pissed off that someone is trying to tell you you're something that you're not. It's not that hard to understand.



When you used to tell the story, she was a German woman living in Germany who converted.  I know this because the first time you told me that I brought up the incredible timing of a German woman converting to Judaism in Nazi Germany.  You, at that time, didn't say she was Swiss, or a German living in Switzerland.  I think its a recent addition to the story.

I called you an idiot because you keep insisting you don't care, but you keep posting.  


It belongs if I find it relevant, I find circumcision to be a repugnant practice and never miss a chance to bring it up when discussing jews, want to come over and look at my 5 year old's elephant trunch of a wiener?  He's all natural.  We didn't rip his foreskin off in the name of a desert tribe's god.

Either way, you keep trying to shift the focus to the minutia, instead of the relevant argument.  I said jews don't want converts, its difficult, time consuming, and costly, you said it wasn't, I provided proof from a jew that it is, and suddenly you start claiming victory because your grandma didn't have a penis?  Idiot.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
My acura tl 3.0 (Type S engine) would win :)



I didn't know what they looked like so I looked them up, its definitely not a ricer with a autozone wing on it.  So yeah, it probably could kick some ass.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Capsloc on July 17, 2006, 06:39:44 PM
i asked for your opinion of the best song ever and this is what it caused.  wow, what is this world coming to.   hahaha.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Really?  Here is what a dictionary says.  Perhaps you can share what you think it means?  I know certain people have trouble distinguishing between IE and EG.  Perhaps you suffer from this as well?

9 entries found for eg.
e.g.
abbr.
Latin. exempli gratia (for example).

You should have used IE--that is.  Or were you giving an example of a catch phrase that means "directly from a source."  Please, hindsight is 20/20, but at the moment, you meant to use IE.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 06:46:26 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
When you used to tell the story, she was a German woman living in Germany who converted.  I know this because the first time you told me that I brought up the incredible timing of a German woman converting to Judaism in Nazi Germany.  You, at that time, didn't say she was Swiss, or a German living in Switzerland.  I think its a recent addition to the story.

Either way, you keep trying to shift the focus to the minutia, instead of the relevant argument.  I said jews don't want converts, its difficult, time consuming, and costly, you said it wasn't, I provided proof from a jew that it is, and suddenly you start claiming victory because your grandma didn't have a penis?  Idiot.
Ya, and also "from what you recall" you said it was my grandfather who was the jew. You clearly didn't read what i put (not that i hold that against anyone, who really wants to hear about some other person whom they will never meet during their lifetime). I never said she was swiss, but a german living in switzerland(alot of them did that, i guess it was good hiding, who knows.)
I never claimed victory for pointing out minute facts that no one cares about, i merely started responding so you don't start posting random shit that isn't true about me and my family. I'm done, now go back to your argument about homo's and the bible, that one was actually going somewhere.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
OK, let's back up, when did I say his "music" was gay?  Point that out ot me and I will admit I was wrong, or actually I'll probably just say I didn't mean to type it that way and I didn't proofread.  I said he writes the music to his songs, not the lyrics, and I never know that just pure music could be heard and defined as "gay."  You did not provide lyrics that are definitively gay, they are in your opinion, not mine.


Yes, please start to point out everything, that doesn't scare me.  I don't go to a touch feel good church, I will send you links to Sunday sermons and you can determine for yourself if you are that interested.  


Well that verse is from, like I predicted, the Old Testament.  God is telling Moses to do those things, not people of today.  We live by the New Testament now, the teachings of Jesus, although we still read and refer to the Old Testament because it is still God's word.  Why are there so many versions of His word?  Great question.  The only answer I can come up with off the top of my head is that it was written in another language and there is no way to directly translate it into English, there are several ways.  But it doesn't matter that some words in people's Bibles are different than others, because it still says the same thing.  Find where Jesus has commanded people to kill gays in the New Testament and then we'll talk.


What do you mean by backhanded comments, and the word "xtian?"  I will have to admit I have no clue what you're talking about...  And yes, only then will you find out the real truth, and of course it'll be too late; you will be wishing that you listened to your friend *MAFIA* Beetlejuice... or will you ;) ?




Reality it seems was just a dream
She couldnt get it on with the boys on the scene
But what do you expect from a chick whos just sixteen
And hey, hey, hey, you know what I mean

All the young girls love alice
Tender young alice they say
Come over and see me
Come over and please me
Alice its my turn today

All the young girls love alice
Tender young alice they say
If I give you my number
Will you promise to call me
Wait till my husbands away

Poor little darling with a chip out of her heart
Its like acting in a movie when you got the wrong part
Getting your kicks in another girls bed
And it was only last tuesday they found you in the subway dead

And who could you call your friends down in soho
One or two middle-aged dykes in a go-go
And what do you expect from a sixteen year old yo-yo
And hey, hey, hey, oh dont you know

If you're saying that isn't overtly homosexual, you're a liar.  It even says fucking dyke in it.  It talks about young girls pleasing alice in her bed.  Men couldn't do it for her.  Once you finally admit that it is a song ABOUT homosexuality, if that isn't enough for you, I will gladly find other lyrics in which he either proclaims his homosexual tendencies or his solidarity with homosexual women.  Queers stick together.

We're not arguing about whether EJ is queer.  Thats a known fact.  The argument is over whether or not he promotes and/or sings about homosexuality.  Who writes the lyrics is irrelevant, as he is the performer and it is Elton John's 'All the girls love Alice.'  If we follow your logic far enough, Elton John would perform an anti-homosexual song if someone just 'wrote it for him.'  What if someone wrote a song for him that had the line 'Nigger nigger, I got my gun, nigger nigger, gonna have some fun, nigger nigger, gonna end your life, kill your kids and your dirty brown wife.'  Would you be so eager to insist there isn't racism in his songs and that someone just 'writes them for him' and he just made the music, he's not promoting racism?  Exactly.


It must be nice to be able to pick and choose the parts of the bible you like and/or agree with, because that is what you're doing.

By the way, did you know that jews believe the New Testament isn't the word of god?  Also some stuff about boiling jesus in shit, him being a false prophet, all kinds of good stuff if you just bother to look.  I used to have a sweet english translation of the Talmud, man does that book make the jews look bad/crazy/inbred.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
You should have used IE--that is.  Or were you giving an example of a catch phrase that means "directly from a source."  Please, hindsight is 20/20, but at the moment, you meant to use IE.



No actually I meant 'for example,' which is the accepted meaning of EG.  Don't burn down before you go to class any more, its affecting your learning ability.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Ya, and also "from what you recall" you said it was my grandfather who was the jew. You clearly didn't read what i put (not that i hold that against anyone, who really wants to hear about some other person whom they will never meet during their lifetime). I never said she was swiss, but a german living in switzerland(alot of them did that, i guess it was good hiding, who knows.)
I never claimed victory for pointing out minute facts that no one cares about, i merely started responding so you don't start posting random shit that isn't true about me and my family. I'm done, now go back to your argument about homo's and the bible, that one was actually going somewhere.


I said 'or a German living in Switzerland.'  Little clues like that are leading me to believe either you have horrible reading comprehension or that you're not actually reading what you say you are.

Is it random shit when you make an effort to tell me about it, in what I can only guess was some sort of emotional purge?  Seriously, you're just arguing about arguing now.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 07:02:55 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Is it random shit when you make an effort to tell me about it, in what I can only guess was some sort of emotional purge?  
Emotional purge? When i bother to respond to you in-game, it's usually to your extreme hatred/bad-mouthing of judaism. All that seems to come out of you is violence, hate, and "nigger this..nigger that...burn the niggers..." No one's asking you to convert, it's just that you seem to have a skill where you're able to piss-off almost all people that you attempt to contact. You make acusations, and i respond. Go back to arguing about the Old Testament.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
How many times are you going to come back after you say you're done?  That says something about the content of your character, eh?


I'm going to translate what you said into emo talk so anyone who doesn't wear girl pants and cry when morrisey plays can understand:

"I Elliot am a big pussy and I only argue on the internet.  If I actually live close to someone who is willing to see how big my mouth is in person, I plead emo and say I don't like anger.  I am the perfect neutered American male, aggressive when there is no real consquence but quick to turn tail if any real conflict is offered."

Thats about the gist of what you say.  And you haven't responded to us getting together, you've said you have but you've failed to take the critical step of saying Yes I will or No I won't.  Although believe me, your cowardice shines through bright and clear.


I also like how you don't like anger, but have no problem with speaking angrily at someone.  You probably yell shit at people from moving cars.  I guess your real problem is if the anger is directed at you.

Were you a single child, or the child of a single parent?  If you taken any psych classes you will understand the import of that.

Nice cliché, Martin.  Why don't you try affecting me with your words?
No, at the moment, I do not want to get together with you.  I realize that is not a straight-forward yes or no to your proposal, but I don't feel the need to offer one.  Hell, you just may win me over one day.
Your anger does not directly frighten me (it would be a little like fearing thunder may get me wet) but its potency is an indicator that you may be a physically violent lunatic.  Those, I fear.  One of them murdered my friend Jessie execution-style on her living room floor.  I don’t expect you to sympathize for her, and I would never believe you if you attempted to.  I simply get enjoyment from arguing with you.  Does it make me a hypocrite for verbally provoking you without the will to let it culminate in a physical battle?  No, unless you really are a physically violent lunatic, in which case that just makes me sensible.
My parents have been continually married to each other since before I was born, and I have siblings.

p.s. If you're against ad hominem arguments, don't illuminate my poor character.  That's ad hominem.  Dolt.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
No actually I meant 'for example,' which is the accepted meaning of EG.  Don't burn down before you go to class any more, its affecting your learning ability.

Yeah, well you "meant" something that didn't fit.  You should have "meant" that is.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Emotional purge? When i bother to respond to you in-game, it's usually to your extreme hatred/bad-mouthing of judaism. All that seems to come out of you is violence, hate, and "nigger this..nigger that...burn the niggers..." No one's asking you to convert, it's just that you seem to have a skill where you're able to piss-off almost all people that you attempt to contact. You make acusations, and i respond. Go back to arguing about the Old Testament.


Actually, I rarely talk while I'm playing.  A lot of the older MAFIANS know that.  But nice job setting yourself up as the people's champion.  Any more easily disproven lies you want to try?

Burn the niggers?  Do they burn?  I'm going to start throwing matches on them then.

You seem to be confused...whe n have I ever said anything friendly to you?  Made small talk with you?  Made a friendly overture of any sort?

Never.  What does that tell you?  That I don't like you, and could care less if you like me.

And once again you respond with an argument about an argument.  No substance.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Yeah, well you "meant" something that didn't fit.  You should have "meant" that is.


I assume you put meant in quotes for a reason.  Is it a word you're unsure of?  Let me correct you like I did for EG.  You're learning all kinds of new words today aren't you?  Sometimes I wonder what your dad is paying your tuition for.

3 entries found for meant.
mean1    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mn)
v. meant, (mnt) mean·ing, means
v. tr.

To be used to convey; denote: “‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things’” (Lewis Carroll).
To act as a symbol of; signify or represent: In this poem, the budding flower means youth.
To intend to convey or indicate: “No one means all he says, and yet very few say all they mean, for words are slippery and thought is viscous” (Henry Adams).
To have as a purpose or an intention; intend: I meant to go running this morning, but I overslept.
To design, intend, or destine for a certain purpose or end: a building that was meant for storage; a student who was meant to be a scientist.
To have as a consequence; bring about: Friction means heat.
To have the importance or value of: The opinions of the critics meant nothing to him. She meant so much to me.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
If you're saying that isn't overtly homosexual, you're a liar.  It even says fucking dyke in it.  It talks about young girls pleasing alice in her bed.  Men couldn't do it for her.  Once you finally admit that it is a song ABOUT homosexuality, if that isn't enough for you, I will gladly find other lyrics in which he either proclaims his homosexual tendencies or his solidarity with homosexual women.  Queers stick together.

We're not arguing about whether EJ is queer.  Thats a known fact.  The argument is over whether or not he promotes and/or sings about homosexuality.  Who writes the lyrics is irrelevant, as he is the performer and it is Elton John's 'All the girls love Alice.'  If we follow your logic far enough, Elton John would perform an anti-homosexual song if someone just 'wrote it for him.'


Ha, yes, that song is about a lesbian.  I thought I typed that in one of my other replies but I guess I forgot.  And since that is off the "Yellow Brick Road" album, I accidentally looked up that song's lyrics and they did not appear gay to me, so that is why I typed that it wasn't gay, I was referring to "Yellow Brick Road," not the "Alice" song.  I even linked it.  I have never even heard that song about Alice before, honestly, and like I said I'm not the biggest Elton John fan and I have never done an in-depth study of his lyrics.  The only thing I have been arguing all along is that he is a GOOD MUSICIAN.  And then when you posted the lyrics I just kept saying he writes the music, not lyrics, and that is what I mainly enjoy.  But now that you have foud the lyrics, congrats.  Ha, I don't even like that song though.  As I said before, I am a fan of the music, not the man.  

Since we are getting all detailed about it now, I like about 15 of his songs, and I have never heard the rest.  Once again, I am a fan of Elton John's musical talent.  Go ahead and find all the songs you want, you still can't take away from his ability as a wonderful musician.  That's what started this whole mess isn't, that the singer from Queen is gay so how can he have one of the best songs of all-time?  Or something like that.  I like the song "Brick" by Ben Folds Five.  To save you some time in looking it up in case you don't know it, its about an abortion.  Does that mean I support abortion?  No, I just like the song. Musically speaking, it is a good song.  I even like some rap songs, not for their message, but the way they make certain beats, musically, sounds good. Anyway, maybe we are arguing two different things, I don't know.  Here is my argument, short and sweet.  Elton John is a good musician.  Simple.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16

It must be nice to be able to pick and choose the parts of the bible you like and/or agree with, because that is what you're doing.

By the way, did you know that jews believe the New Testament isn't the word of god?  Also some stuff about boiling jesus in shit, him being a false prophet, all kinds of good stuff if you just bother to look.

I do not choose and pick parts of the Bible I like to agree with, that is NOT what I am doing.  You are wrong.  If you are referring to the verse about killing the gay people, go back and read that chapter.  I love how people try to argue about the Bible and take it out of context.  God is talking to Moses, he is commanding Moses to do those things.  He's not commanding me to do it.  I am not choosing to ignore it.  I know exactly what it is saying, you, however, do not.  Take some more verses out of context and tell me I only choose to believe some of them and I will shoot you down again and again.  This should be fun.  And yes I know that the Jews don't believe in the New Testament and that Jesus not being the Son of God, that is why they are Jewish and not Christian, and that is why they killed Him.  You're up.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Actually, I rarely talk while I'm playing.  A lot of the older MAFIANS know that.  But nice job setting yourself up as the people's champion.  Any more easily disproven lies you want to try?

You seem to be confused...whe n have I ever said anything friendly to you?  Made small talk with you?  Made a friendly overture of any sort?

Never.  What does that tell you?  That I don't like you, and could care less if you like me.

And once again you respond with an argument about an argument.  No substance.

Actually i recall when you did randomly start typing full on monologues during game...It was when a play by the name of "Lamarr" said he was black during Liberation of Caen. You started spouting out shit about the "nigger lovers" and whatnot.
Once again you don't fully read what i put; I respond to these hateful things you randomly type in-game. I never said i engaged you in small talk, just that i respond to things you say. They aren't targeted toward me but to all "nigger lovers." I happen to have a black friend and i respond because i am according to you "a nigger lover."
Arguing about an argument? I just want you to drop this argument because you don't know me. If you did, then maybe you could argue it, but being an internet low-life you have no reason to verbally assail me. Go away, or focus all of your hateful comments at someone else who can respond more eloquently.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Nice cliché, Martin.  Why don't you try affecting me with your words?
No, at the moment, I do not want to get together with you.  I realize that is not a straight-forward yes or no to your proposal, but I don't feel the need to offer one.  Hell, you just may win me over one day.
Your anger does not directly frighten me (it would be a little like fearing thunder may get me wet) but its potency is an indicator that you may be a physically violent lunatic.  Those, I fear.  One of them murdered my friend Jessie execution-style on her living room floor.  I don’t expect you to sympathize for her, and I would never believe you if you attempted to.  I simply get enjoyment from arguing with you.  Does it make me a hypocrite for verbally provoking you without the will to let it culminate in a physical battle?  No, unless you really are a physically violent lunatic, in which case that just makes me sensible.
My parents have been continually married to each other since before I was born, and I have siblings.

p.s. If you're against ad hominem arguments, don't illuminate my poor character.  That's ad hominem.  Dolt.


Actually it isn't ad hominem, since it is based on easily proven circumstances.  You have repeatedly said you were done, right?  You have then instead come back, right?  Hardly an unmeritted attack on your character.

You know what the difference between you and poor Jessie is?  You're presumably a man.  Also, she probably didn't run her mouth on message boards, and fail to follow through with the physical part of being a internet tough guy.  See you have the talking down, we just need to work on the action part.  Anyway, I promise not to murder you.

In Elliot's world anyone who calls him on his bullshit is a violent lunatic.  What a neat little excuse.

By the way, how long have you been sitting on that thunder analogy?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I assume you put meant in quotes for a reason.  Is it a word you're unsure of?  Let me correct you like I did for EG.  You're learning all kinds of new words today aren't you?  Sometimes I wonder what your dad is paying your tuition for.

3 entries found for meant.
mean1    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mn)
v. meant, (mnt) mean·ing, means
v. tr.

To be used to convey; denote: “‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things’” (Lewis Carroll).
To act as a symbol of; signify or represent: In this poem, the budding flower means youth.
To intend to convey or indicate: “No one means all he says, and yet very few say all they mean, for words are slippery and thought is viscous” (Henry Adams).
To have as a purpose or an intention; intend: I meant to go running this morning, but I overslept.
To design, intend, or destine for a certain purpose or end: a building that was meant for storage; a student who was meant to be a scientist.
To have as a consequence; bring about: Friction means heat.
To have the importance or value of: The opinions of the critics meant nothing to him. She meant so much to me.

More ad hominem attacks.  More popularly, a writer would have put the word meant in italics.  I used quotations, and it suits the same purpose, being that I quoted a particular area of your prose and emphasized it in my own particular prose.  
Neither of my parents pay for ANY of my tuition, cunt--something I am quite proud of thank you.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Actually i recall when you did randomly start typing full on monologues during game...It was when a play by the name of "Lamarr" said he was black during Liberation of Caen. You started spouting out shit about the "nigger lovers" and whatnot.
Once again you don't fully read what i put; I respond to these hateful things you randomly type in-game. I never said i engaged you in small talk, just that i respond to things you say. They aren't targeted toward me but to all "nigger lovers." I happen to have a black friend and i respond because i am according to you "a nigger lover."
Arguing about an argument? I just want you to drop this argument because you don't know me. If you did, then maybe you could argue it, but being an internet low-life you have no reason to verbally assail me. Go away, or focus all of your hateful comments at someone else who can respond more eloquently.


Wow you're a nigger lover?  I remember back about a year ago it was cool to be racist in MAFIA.  Or are we pretending it wasn't, now?  In fact, I remember you claiming, along with others here, to be a Nazi.  It kind of tied in with you being so proud of being German, if I remember correctly.  I think the real problem is that you haven't found out what you are yet.  Nigger lover is as good as any for you, I guess.

Once again you just respond with more tangents.  Are you trying to baffle with me bullshit?  You just keep saying go away, go away, but you want the last word so you can't stop.  

Don't worry, I'm a real life low-life too.  And verbally assail, haha.  Someone got out the thesaurus!

I really believe you have reading comprehension trouble.  I said I 'rarely' talk during gameplay, not I never talk.  Are you able to understand the difference and also understand why you claiming that you were the only thing standing in the way of me and my racism destroying the server?  Like I said, I rarely talk.  In fact, I think theres a post by BJ here that says that exact thing.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
More ad hominem attacks.  More popularly, a writer would have put the word meant in italics.  I used quotations, and it suits the same purpose, being that I quoted a particular area of your prose and emphasized it in my own particular prose.  
Neither of my parents pay for ANY of my tuition, cunt--something I am quite proud of thank you.



Really? More of them?  

Are you a writer?  I'm certainly not.  But you seemed to take issue with the world 'meant.'  Now you don't seem to know why...more bullshit from you instead of substance.  This is what you live for, isn't it?  All words, with no real conclusion, when it could be so easy but for your cowardice.  Aren't you in Greenville?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Actually it isn't ad hominem, since it is based on easily proven circumstances.  You have repeatedly said you were done, right?  You have then instead come back, right?  Hardly an unmeritted attack on your character.

I don't remember saying that explicitly.  I understand that I could have implied it, and if I did, so be it.  I did not mean it though.
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
You know what the difference between you and poor Jessie is?  You're presumably a man.  Also, she probably didn't run her mouth on message boards, and fail to follow through with the physical part of being a internet tough guy.  See you have the talking down, we just need to work on the action part.  Anyway, I promise not to murder you.

That's kind of something I addressed earlier; I'm not trying to be a tough guy.  I'm only arguing with you as a sort of rhetorical exercise.  You're like a verbal punching bag, no offense.  I know you could crush me in a physical duel.  Not interested in proving it to you.  I do think we could get along, and it's really not out of the question, providing my friends came and providing you and we met in a crowded, lighted area.  You know, just to be sensible.  Believe it or not, I'm even more profoundly cynical than you, I feel.
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
In Elliot's world anyone who calls him on his bullshit is a violent lunatic.  What a neat little excuse.

No, your anger truly is potent.  This isn't a me vs. you argument.  Your anger is potent with or without me even existing.
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
By the way, how long have you been sitting on that thunder analogy?

A long, long time.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:35:12 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Nice cliché, Martin.  Why don't you try affecting me with your words?
No, at the moment, I do not want to get together with you.  I realize that is not a straight-forward yes or no to your proposal, but I don't feel the need to offer one.  Hell, you just may win me over one day.
Your anger does not directly frighten me (it would be a little like fearing thunder may get me wet) but its potency is an indicator that you may be a physically violent lunatic.  Those, I fear.  One of them murdered my friend Jessie execution-style on her living room floor.  I don’t expect you to sympathize for her, and I would never believe you if you attempted to.  I simply get enjoyment from arguing with you.  Does it make me a hypocrite for verbally provoking you without the will to let it culminate in a physical battle?  No, unless you really are a physically violent lunatic, in which case that just makes me sensible.
My parents have been continually married to each other since before I was born, and I have siblings.

p.s. If you're against ad hominem arguments, don't illuminate my poor character.  That's ad hominem.  Dolt.



Sorry, I just got a chuckle out of this again.  What was your friend's last name?  Or how about just when and where?  Combine this with your claims of the ak-47 toting drug dealers you hang out with(for someone so passive, you sure have mean friends), and my bullshit meter is pegged.

I don't even need a name, just a town and a date.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Really? More of them?  

Are you a writer?  I'm certainly not.  But you seemed to take issue with the world 'meant.'  Now you don't seem to know why...more bullshit from you instead of substance.  This is what you live for, isn't it?  All words, with no real conclusion, when it could be so easy but for your cowardice.  Aren't you in Greenville?

Look, you lorded someone's misunderstandi ng of what you'd written over them, and I piped in to defend him.  Pardon me.  I write for a humor publication, but that's the extent of my writing career.  I'm not a professional writer, no.  All I meant was the word as the title of someone who has written something.  A writor, if you will.  And I don't live in Greenville.  Not sure where Greenville is, but I think you and I are near one another--2 hours or so.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
I don't remember saying that explicitly.  I understand that I could have implied it, and if I did, so be it.  I did not mean it though.

That's kind of something I addressed earlier; I'm not trying to be a tough guy.  I'm only arguing with you as a sort of rhetorical exercise.  You're like a verbal punching bag, no offense.  I know you could crush me in a physical duel.  Not interested in proving it to you.  I do think we could get along, and it's really not out of the question, providing my friends came and providing you and we met in a crowded, lighted area.  You know, just to be sensible.  Believe it or not, I'm even more profoundly cynical than you, I feel.

No, your anger truly is potent.  This isn't a me vs. you argument.  Your anger is potent with or without me even existing.

A long, long time.


Ah, now we get to the crux of the matter.  Elliot doesn't like me because he's a PC version of me, and all of his counter culture emo bullshit pales in comparison.  In other words, you aren't so radical as you would like to believe.  No blood for oil!

Bring some friends!  I'll bring some too.

You truly are the puppet master.  How I must amuse you, dancing at the ends of your strings. haha

The point you seem to miss is, when men insult other men, they are de facto trying to be tough guys.  But me and you, Elliot, me and you can live the dream and actually meet.  Think of all the millions of other shit talkers who would rally behind you as one of their own steps out from behind dull glow of the monitor.  

Either you were raised by a woman, or your father plopped you in front of the TV with little or no instruction.

By the way, is this explicit enough for you?  

Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Sleep: Murray Ostril (They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach); Monheim; broken windows, locks of love pt. III. / 3rd part Not the best, but really nice.

p.s. nevermind, I'm going to leave this GWAR business alone.

And that was back on page 2.
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Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 07:42:56 PM
Hey, come on, it is my turn for a reply.

I know Gwar wants no part of this but I thought I'd throw out the offer anyway...since we are obviously all on the internet now, how about an old trip to Ventrilo?  I already have an idea of what his reply is going to look like.

Milky Way, SPAM = BAN.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Look, you lorded someone's misunderstandi ng of what you'd written over them, and I piped in to defend him.  Pardon me.  I write for a humor publication, but that's the extent of my writing career.  I'm not a professional writer, no.  All I meant was the word as the title of someone who has written something.  A writor, if you will.  And I don't live in Greenville.  Not sure where Greenville is, but I think you and I are near one another--2 hours or so.



At least you managed to comprehend what he didn't.  You're a good friend, Elliot.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Sorry, I just got a chuckle out of this again.  What was your friend's last name?  Or how about just when and where?  Combine this with your claims of the ak-47 toting drug dealers you hang out with(for someone so passive, you sure have mean friends), and my bullshit meter is pegged.

I don't even need a name, just a town and a date.

So my friend drives to Atlanta to his "supplier" as he called him, and that man let my friend into his home to complete the deal.  During his stay he saw at least one gun, and he identified it as an AK-47.  I may have blew this story out of proportion somewhere along the line, but that's the real story for the record.  I've never seen an AK-47 in my life, I just claim to have a friend who has.  I didn't mean to imply he was mean.  (In fact I did not imply he owned the gun.)  I'm not giving you Jessie's last name.  She died in Gulf Breeze, FL over 5 years ago.  Her stepfather shot her and then himself.  It's the truth.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Hey, come on, it is my turn for a reply.



You're like 5 behind.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
So my friend drives to Atlanta to his "supplier" as he called him, and that man let my friend into his home to complete the deal.  During his stay he saw at least one gun, and he identified it as an AK-47.  I may have blew this story out of proportion somewhere along the line, but that's the real story for the record.  I've never seen an AK-47 in my life, I just claim to have a friend who has.  I'm not giving you Jessie's last name.  She died in Gulf Breeze, FL over 5 years ago.  Her stepfather shot her and then himself.  It's the truth.


Good enough.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Milky Way on July 17, 2006, 07:46:29 PM
SPAM?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Hey, come on, it is my turn for a reply.

Obviously we are all on the internet now, how about a trip to Ventrilo?

I have a very good feeling that Gwar wants no part of that...


I'm skeered.  Why don't we just have a conference call with each other instead?  I've never liked vent, even when I had to get on it to stay in mafia.  Its not like no one has ever heard my voice.  What is the difference in a disembodied voice, and a words on a screen?

Why don't you just pull over on a rest stop on 95 on your next trip and give me a call?  I'm pretty sure you want no part of that....

Since we're playing that game.

How many times did you revise that post before it was deemed good enough, anyway?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:52:40 PM
Hey, GWAR.  Maye I am a pussy.  Move on.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
By the way, is this explicit enough for you?  

Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Sleep: Murray Ostril (They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach); Monheim; broken windows, locks of love pt. III. / 3rd part Not the best, but really nice.

p.s. nevermind, I'm going to leave this GWAR business alone.

And that was back on page 2.
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I said this GWAR business... now we're on that GWAR business.  Joke.  Okay, so I said it and forgot.  I changed my mind, good grief.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Milky Way on July 17, 2006, 07:53:31 PM
Milky Way, SPAM = BAN.[/QUOTE]

WTF its spam section!??!?!?! what am i missing!
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Hey, GWAR.  Maye I am a pussy.  Move on.


I said this GWAR business... now we're on that GWAR business.  Joke.  Okay, so I said it and forgot.  I changed my mind, good grief.


Its ok to be human, Elliot.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 07:59:55 PM
Oh yay!  GWAR (the band) is coming to Houston on Friday night!  Maybe I'll go watch...
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 17, 2006, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16

Why don't you just pull over on a rest stop on 95 on your next trip and give me a call?  I'm pretty sure you want no part of that....

How many times did you revise that post before it was deemed good enough, anyway?

It said what I wanted it to say, nothing more, nothing less, I just thought you missed it because you didn't quote the whole thing the first time, just the first line, so I reposted so you'd see it.  I will combine the two posts now to please you.  Its amazing how the smallest things seem to matter.  Not wanting to give you a call on next time on my trip on 95?  Why wouldn't I want that?  I guess for the same reason you won't come on ventrilo.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Oh yay!  GWAR (the band) is coming to Houston on Friday night!  Maybe I'll go watch...


I might go to that show.

Gave up pussy, stopped doing toot
Now you can't wait to give someone the boot
Elbows and knuckles, all you know how
Follow the herd, just another cow
Brain full of shit, boots full of lead
Straight from Hitler's ass it's a Nazi Skinhead

HEY WHY DO NAZI SKINHEADS WEAR RED SUSPENDERS ANYWAY!?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
It said what I wanted it to say, nothing more, nothing less, I just thought you missed it because you didn't quote the whole thing the first time, just the first line, so I reposted so you'd see it.  I will combine the two posts now to please you.  Its amazing how the smallest things seem to matter.  Not wanting to give you a call on next time on my trip on 95?  Why wouldn't I want that?  I guess for the same reason you won't come on ventrilo.



I promise to read and carefully consider whatever religious material you may hand me.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 08:07:01 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Wow you're a nigger lover?  I remember back about a year ago it was cool to be racist in MAFIA.  Or are we pretending it wasn't, now?  In fact, I remember you claiming, along with others here, to be a Nazi.  It kind of tied in with you being so proud of being German, if I remember correctly.  I think the real problem is that you haven't found out what you are yet.  Nigger lover is as good as any for you, I guess.

Wow, this proves how bad your memory is, or how easily you confuse names. I would never say that i'm a nazi, there you are mistaken. Wouldn't it seem ironic if i declared that i was a nazi, but have a jewish relative? It's improbable, i would never say that...do you enjoy putting words in peoples mouths?
What the hell is that supposed to mean "i haven't found out what i am yet..."

i'm aware i'm late in responding, had dinner.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I might go to that show.

Gave up pussy, stopped doing toot
Now you can't wait to give someone the boot
Elbows and knuckles, all you know how
Follow the herd, just another cow
Brain full of shit, boots full of lead
Straight from Hitler's ass it's a Nazi Skinhead

HEY WHY DO NAZI SKINHEADS WEAR RED SUSPENDERS ANYWAY!?

I'm not sure I follow.  That is, I do not follow your train of thought.  Not an allusion to the lyrics.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
Wow, this proves how bad your memory is, or how easily you confuse names. I would never say that i'm a nazi, there you are mistaken. Wouldn't it seem ironic if i declared that i was a nazi, but have a jewish relative? It's improbable, i would never say that...do you enjoy putting words in peoples mouths?
What the hell is that supposed to mean "i haven't found out what i am yet..."

i'm aware i'm late in responding, had dinner.



Guess so.  Nazi chic is so like, last year.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Guess so.  Nazi chic is so like, last year.

I've had this game for less than a year, and i never said i was a nazi for the record.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
I'm not sure I follow.


GWAR lyrics, Slaughterama to be exact.

GWAR(the band) has a lot to say, and a lot of it is worth listening to, and most of it is hilarious.  They don't sing Slaughterama when skins are at the show, due to an 'incident.'  Their stage show is also very good.  I suspect you might be capable of understanding what they're trying to say when giant worms are eating the slaves and blood and urine is spraying on the crowd.  Most people reject it as a heavy metal freak show.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller
I've had this game for less than a year, and i never said i was a nazi for the record.


Well good thing last year was only 7 months ago.  And you have, for the record.  Your denials look somewhat awkward when combined with your name and the German flag as your avatar.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
GWAR lyrics, Slaughterama to be exact.

GWAR(the band) has a lot to say, and a lot of it is worth listening to, and most of it is hilarious.  They don't sing Slaughterama when skins are at the show, due to an 'incident.'  Their stage show is also very good.  I suspect you might be capable of understanding what they're trying to say when giant worms are eating the slaves and blood and urine is spraying on the crowd.  Most people reject it as a heavy metal freak show.

Sounds like my kind of party.  I remember that they guest starred on Viva La Bam, that hip show on MTV.  Now, I know I said I don't watch MTV, and I still mean it.  I've laid eyes on the television screen while MTV was selected, but... I've also played several games of pool, and I don't call myself a pool player.  I also realize it's poor rhetoric to preempt an invented argument and refute it, which I did shamelessly.  Anyway, I'm gonna head to bed.  No hard feelings, though I am still leery of you and our potential meeting, no offense.  Love you.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 17, 2006, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Elliott Smith
Sounds like my kind of party.  I remember that they guest starred on Viva La Bam, that hip show on MTV.  Now, I know I said I don't watch MTV, and I still mean it.  I've laid eyes on the television screen while MTV was selected, but... I've also played several games of pool, and I don't call myself a pool player.  I also realize it's poor rhetoric to preempt an invented argument and refute it, which I did shamelessly.  Anyway, I'm gonna head to bed.  No hard feelings, though I am still leery of you and our potential meeting, no offense.  Love you.



The MTV/BM shit was a low point, I can only hope they were desperate for money.

I love you too, and we will consumate our love under the stage at the GWAR show.

AND

I will write a song about it and have Elton John perform it just for BJ, so that he can deny its homosexual content.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 17, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
The MTV/BM shit was a low point, I can only hope they were desperate for money.

I love you too, and we will consumate our love under the stage at the GWAR show.

AND

I will write a song about it and have Elton John perform it just for BJ, so that he can deny its homosexual content.

Well played, see you around.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on July 17, 2006, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Well good thing last year was only 7 months ago.  And you have, for the record.  Your denials look somewhat awkward when combined with your name and the German flag as your avatar.

The CD key i'm using is from my friend, if you track my screen name down i'm sure it has only been active since last august.
What's wrong with a flag as an avatar? Nothing wrong with showing a little love for germany, even though they lost the world cup horribly. What a fucking miserable final match they had...
I'm also off to bed, had fun violently and threateningly "debating."
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: HaVoK on July 17, 2006, 09:41:52 PM
To get back on topic and not on a tangent....... .. Van Halen - Eruption
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Rahl on July 17, 2006, 09:56:57 PM
Real World -- Queensryche
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Twisted on July 17, 2006, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Balthazar
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven

Masterful song writing, musicianship and composition. It's hard to find songs that have such great components all rolled up in one.



i agree best song of all time.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 17, 2006, 10:30:36 PM
The Ramones - I wanna be sedated :)
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 18, 2006, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I will write a song about it and have Elton John perform it just for BJ, so that he can deny its homosexual content.
nm, thought you were talking about me for a second, i was confused lol. seems to happen to me alot lately...
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Unregistered on July 18, 2006, 12:22:03 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
nm, thought you were talking about me for a second, i was confused lol. seems to happen to me alot lately...



Quiet fag, its me laaz and i love huge fucking man sausage up my ass
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Balthazar on July 18, 2006, 01:08:03 AM
Stereotypes make life so much easier.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Koekiemonster on July 18, 2006, 03:30:23 AM
Quote from: Koekiemonster
CLOSED and moved to "Dickhead Stupidass Motherfucker replied to this thread too many times for anyone to take seriously section" Lol

Gwar, you suck donkey balls as Bone would say haha


Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Boot lickers never get any respect, don't you know that yet?


For your information, I am not sucking up to anyone, why would I?? I am not even trying to get in the clan!! I was just pointing out something ...

And also the problem here isn't to stone the fag or not, or supporting a gay musicians livestyle or not, or even beiing a jew or not!! The problem here is that you don't seem to have any respect for what other people think, you don't even listen to them (you hear but don't listen). You keep replying over and over cause you can't take the fact that other people don't agree with you. You must have had a very hard live, Let it go man, you'll live longer!!

Sorry for the late reaction that's probably of topic by now, I was asleep. But I just had to reply here!
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 18, 2006, 06:23:23 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I will write a song about it and have Elton John perform it just for BJ, so that he can deny its homosexual content.
Ah, are we still going to talk about this?  Yes Elton John is a homosexual.  Yes, a few of the songs that he sings have homosexual content in them.  That is what you want to hear right?  There, you have it.  

Apparently you didn't read one of my last posts, or it is YOU that has trouble with comprehension.  I admitted that the "Alice" song was about a lesbian, but it was the song "Yellow Brick Road" that I denied had homosexual content.  I am finished discussing Elton John being gay and analyzing all the lyrics.  My only statement about him from here on out, and it is also my original statement from the beginning, is that he is still a great musician.  Bring up all the gay stuff you want, I don't care, I'll ignore it and continue to say that doesn't take away from the fact that he can write good "music," not lyrics.

And when are you going to accuse me of only following some parts of the Bible, not all parts, again?  Or bring on some verses, probably out of context, and try to lay them on me and call me a hypocrite.  Of course, you don't know what I really feel and how I really try to live.  No, you're going to put words into my mouth, something you are great at doing with everyone, tell me I say this about myself or others, but I don't actually do it, when in reality you haven't a clue.  So go back to a search on gays in the Bible, preferably the New Testament (the Old Testament is mainly stories about either profecy or law, we are in a new covanent now), and tell me where Jesus says to kill gay people.  I guess you had to sleep on that one eh?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
Ah, are we still going to talk about this?  Yes Elton John is a homosexual.  Yes, a few of the songs that he sings have homosexual content in them.  That is what you want to here right?  There, you have it.  

Apparently you didn't read one of my last posts, or it is YOU that has trouble with comprehension.  I admitted that the "Alice" song was about a lesbian, but it was the song "Yellow Brick Road" that I denied had homosexual content.  I am finished discussing Elton John being gay and analyzing all the lyrics.  My only statement about him from here on out, and it is also my original statement from the beginning, is that he is still a great musician.  Bring up all the gay stuff you want, I don't care, I'll ignore it and continue to say that doesn't take away from the fact that he can write good "music," not lyrics.

And when are you going to accuse me of only following some parts of the Bible, not all parts, again?  Or bring on some verses, probably out of context, and try to lay them on me and call me a hypocrite.  Of course, you don't know what I really feel and how I really try to live.  No, you're going to put words into my mouth, something you are great at doing with everyone, tell me I say this about myself or others, but I don't actually do it, when in reality you haven't a clue.  So go back to a search on gays in the Bible, preferably the New Testament (the Old Testament is mainly stories about either profecy or law, we are in a new covanent now), and tell me where Jesus says to kill gay people.  I guess you had to sleep on that one eh?



Ah, the irony.  More accusations of poor reading comprehension.

Want me to tell you why your foot is in your mouth?  'Goodbye yellow brick road' is the album title.  I labeled it as such.  If you go back and read my post, correctly this time, you will see that I never made any mention of that song, other than as a reference to a movie that many queers love.  In fact I didn't even realize it was a song, I thought it was just the album title.  Any other straw men you want to construct?

Where did you admit the alice song was about being queer?  Point that out for me.  Denial, denial, denial.

Yes, facts are me putting words in people's mouths.  I say you don't literally follow the bible, which you don't, and I'm 'putting words in your mouth.'  Heres another fact..you pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to follow.

I've shown you in the bible where it says to kill queers.  I never said jesus said to kill gays, I said the bible did.  If you choose to ignore half the bible, thats your lookout, not mine.  Wow...you accuse me of twisting words, yet here you are trying to change everything I said so that it fits your argument better.  I like how you twisted my words into an argument you can win, an argument which has nothing to do with what I actually said, and then declared victory yet again.  

But since you insist, here is an example of the New Testament calling for the death of homosexuals.  I can't wait to see how you try to twist this.

Here god lists people worthy of death.  Notice homos (leaving the natural use of the woman...'the woman', not women...there is a critical difference there)make the list.  

Romans:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;  
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousnes s, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,  
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,  
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreake rs, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:    (1:31-32)
"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."  
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them


There are your god's alleged words, straight from him.  Claiming to believe in something that you haven't read and explored fully is idiotic.  And for someone who wears his religion on his sleeve, you really should be better prepared for people who don't believe in your hocus pocus bullshit.  By the way, I've read the bible completely through twice.  And that was before I was 12.  It was under coercion, of course, but I would think a 'rational' adult xtian like yourself would be interested in reading what he claims to believe.  It is sad to think that I came to a more rational and informed conclusion on xtianity at the age of 12 than you have at 23 or whatever you are.  Sheep.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 18, 2006, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."  
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things
ahh, yes they are worthy of death. What is truely being said though is the "death" of the soul. It is saying the Homosexuality is a sin, yet all sins are worthy of death. But God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins. You interpit death with killing, but it is the death of the soul they are refering to. This passage is put there to wrong the act of homosexuality, not to kill its followers.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 11:32:57 AM
I just had another amusing thought.  In the days before TV, and to a lesser degree AM radio, christians used to sit around as a family and discuss the bible.  They did this because they wanted a deeper understanding of their faith.  Now we have bible thumpers who have never actually read the bible completely.

Modern xtians, however, are content to be spoon fed watered down sermons by pulpit prostitutes with a political agenda.  Claiming to be xtian means nothing, unless you're a fundamentalist bible thumper and actually try to abide by the word of god.  Its a crutch for you, a bandaid/security blanket for your soul that gives you comfort when you worry about the 'afterlife.'  Of course, you're going to be in pretty heavy company when you get judged.  Think of all the prophets who set themselves on fire, or who didn't eat for weeks at a time, or who sat on mountains covered in ashes and sackcloth.  And they did it all in the name of god.  And here's BJ, listening to homo music and living in the secular world as much as he can.

Wow, the comparison is going to be harsh.  I hope your god doesn't revert back to type, because he might just turn you into salt, drown you, send a plague, or just outright murder you, like so many instances of him doing can be found in the bible.  I guess god just can't compete with the internet/movies/TV.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx
ahh, yes they are worthy of death. What is truely being said though is the "death" of the soul. It is saying the Homosexuality is a sin, yet all sins are worthy of death. But God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins. You interpit death with killing, but it is the death of the soul they are refering to. This passage is put there to wrong the act of homosexuality, not to kill its followers.



It is what it is.  How nice of god to make his words so ambiguous for his followers.

Death of the soul?  The soul is eternal, didn't you know that?

Where does it say the soul?  Why not just say the soul, instead of saying 'worthy of death.?

You're worthy of death, Blakjax.  But I just mean your eyes, not you.  I know I said something completely opposite, but its faith brother.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 11:48:31 AM
Heres one of my favorite passages from the bible.  It sounds perfectly reasonable.  Just thought I would do a little proselytizing.


1 Kings 20:35-36

35Now a certain man of (AB)the sons of the prophets said to another (AC)by the word of the LORD, "Please strike me." But the man refused to strike him.

 36Then he said to him, "Because you have not listened to the voice of the LORD, behold, as soon as you have departed from me, (AD)a lion will kill you." And as soon as he had departed from him a lion found him and killed him.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 18, 2006, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
It is what it is.  How nice of god to make his words so ambiguous for his followers.

Death of the soul?  The soul is eternal, didn't you know that?

Where does it say the soul?  Why not just say the soul, instead of saying 'worthy of death.?

You're worthy of death, Blakjax.  But I just mean your eyes, not you.  I know I said something completely opposite, but its faith brother.
well, one who believes in the bible would know what it is saying, or at least see it the same way i do. obviously you do not se it the same way i do, so there is no point in argueing with you.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 18, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
'Goodbye yellow brick road' is the album title.  I labeled it as such.  If you go back and read my post, correctly this time, you will see that I never made any mention of that song, other than as a reference to a movie that many queers love.  In fact I didn't even realize it was a song, I thought it was just the album title.  Any other straw men you want to construct?

Where did you admit the alice song was about being queer?  Point that out for me.  Denial, denial, denial.

If you go back and re-read MY post, you will see that I admitted I made a mistake (yes humans do that) and I thought you were talking about "Yellow Brick Road," and not "Alice."  In post #65, by me, you'll see where I actually gave a link to that song, and I said it wasn't gay.  Then, in post #97, by me, you can reread when I realized you were talking about "Alice," and not "Yellow Brick Road," and it was there that I admitted the "Alice" song was about a lesbian.  For some unknown reason I just thought of "Yellow Brick Road" when I saw those words and totally lost track of the "Alice" lyrics until you had to repost them.  

So, there is no denial, no denial, no denial.  I am right and you are wrong on this one.  I will admit that I misread your post and got the song messed up, I am a human, a man at that, and I'm not afraid to admit when I mess up.  You, on the other hand, seem to think you are always right and I have proven you wrong several times, but instead of saying "Oh, you're right, I'm wrong," you move on to a different subject and ignore when I called you out.  Once again, Elton John may sing about gays, he may not, but I am standing by what I've always said, just one simple thing, that he is still a good musician.   At this point it doesn't even matter to me anymore.  If Jesus were alive he'd probably admit the same thing, but would he care that Elton John was a good musician?  Probably not, he would care more about his salvation.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16

Yes, facts are me putting words in people's mouths.  I say you don't literally follow the bible, which you don't, and I'm 'putting words in your mouth.'  Heres another fact..you pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to follow.

I've shown you in the bible where it says to kill queers.  I never said jesus said to kill gays, I said the bible did.  If you choose to ignore half the bible, thats your lookout, not mine.  Wow...you accuse me of twisting words, yet here you are trying to change everything I said so that it fits your argument better.  I like how you twisted my words into an argument you can win, an argument which has nothing to do with what I actually said, and then declared victory yet again.

I NEVER once said I literally follow the Bible to every word.  So yes, I agree, I don't literally follow the Bible, whether its intentionally or unintentionall y.  If I followed everything the Bible said, commanded me to do, then I would be perfect and I would never sin.  But I don't, I CANNOT, because I am human, and I was separated from God.  That is where Jesus comes in - he followed all of God's word, he lived the perfect life, and by me admitting I'm a sinner and not perfect and not worthy of God, but asking Jesus to come into my life and the Holy Spirit to fill my heart, I have become a child of God.  By Jesus dieing on the cross, he died for my sins and for everyone else's, sins I've committed in the past, sins I committ today, and sins I'll comitt for the rest of my life.  

Just because I cannot perform everything Bible says, doesn't mean I don't try to, and doesn't mean I'm not a Christian, or a hypocrite, and any other label you love using.  It just means I'm in need of a savior.  You don't understand any of this though because you yourself do not know Jesus/God.  It is NOT a fact that I pick and choose which parts of the Bible I want to follow.  Since you probably didn't read it or didn't understand it, I said that the Old Testament was from a different convanent, one in which we do not live now.  We live in a new convanent now, and follow what Jesus has taught, in the New Testament, which still comes from God.  God commanded others to do thing, kill, ect., but he is not commanding ME to do that because I am not living in Old Testament times.  People use to bring sacrifices as an offering to God - they do not do that anymore because we have Jesus now.  God commanded that in the Old Testament, does that mean I should be doing it right now?  No.  

Yes, you've shown me where it says or talking about killing gays in the Bible, but that is not what I asked.  I asked you to show me where it commandes ME personally to do so, and you still haven't found that verse.  You found the LV verse in which God commands Moses to do it, and you found the Romans verse in which Paul talks about God's wrath and God's judgement of gays, not mine.  Its all about God, don't you see, not about me.  I'm just living my life according to God's will.  I am not judging them, God is.  I am called to share my testimony and the gospel with them.  

Quote from: GWAR 3:16

But since you insist, here is an example of the New Testament calling for the death of homosexuals.  I can't wait to see how you try to twist this.

"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."  
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them

There are your god's alleged words, straight from him.  Claiming to believe in something that you haven't read and explored fully is idiotic.  And for someone who wears his religion on his sleeve, you really should be better prepared for people who don't believe in your hocus pocus bullshit.  By the way, I've read the bible completely through twice.  And that was before I was 12.  It was under coercion, of course, but I would think a 'rational' adult xtian like yourself would be interested in reading what he claims to believe.  It is sad to think that I came to a more rational and informed conclusion on xtianity at the age of 12 than you have at 23 or whatever you are.  Sheep.

If you think I am "twisting" your words, I apologize.  If you want me to (believe me you don't because I'll prove you wrong), I will go back to your post where you talked about stoning gays, quote it word-for-word, show you where I said that doesn't apply to me, and then you never did show me.  Its not twisting words to win an argument.  Do you think that is what this is about?  Do you think I am trying to "win" an argument?  You are wrong if you think so.  I know I not going to change your mind, I know I will never declare victory on this post.  What I do know is that I am sharing my life and my beliefs with you, and that it is causing you to think about it more closely.  If you do become a Christian, it won't be because of me, it'll be because of God and I was just planting a seed.

Like I said, those verses you quoted from Romans are Paul talking about God's wrath and judgement against people who know God and what God wants but neither have glorified him nor gave thanks to him.  People like you.  Although you may not be gay, you have a knowledge of God (reading the Bible twice before you were 12 means almost nothing because you did not apply it), yet you still refuse him.  It is you who is dead.  Your spirit is dead, you are dead in your sins, and it will ultimately lead to a physical death, but of course we will all die.  This is what Blakjax was saying, and you were right, the soul never dies, but the Bible refers to "dead souls/spirits" as ones which do not know God.  They are dead in their sins.  Become a believer is being "born again," a new creation, even though its not physical, its spiritual.  

I am not claiming to believe in something I have never fully explored.  Being a Christian is not reading the Bible cover to cover, as much as possible, memorizing every verse, and blah blah blah.  It helps in your relationship with God, to know him more.  Obviously the more you read, and the more you pray, the more you know Him.  But I still know him, and that is all that matters.  Here's what I claim to believe:  God is perfect, holy, he created everything.  He created man, in His image, to worship Him.  Man sinned against him.  Man and God became separated.  Jesus was sent to live the life that God created man for, then died for all of man's sins.  People who admit they sin and they surrended their lives to Jesus are once again connected to God, but only through Jesus.  God cannot look down on us for we are not holy.  But it is through the blood of Christ that he sees us and knows us, and that we may know Him.  That is what I believe.  

I'm sorry if I cannot tell you some of the stories from the Old Testament.  Maybe some day I will.  But that is not what matters, not to Christians, maybe to people like you.  I read the word, I pray to God, and I try to live my life to glorify him.  I've known several people with a much better understanding of the Bible than me, but they didn't have a personal relationship with God, therefore they were dead as well.  It is sad to think that you THINK you have a rational and informed knowledge of the Bible but you do not have a personal relationship with God.  It is sad to think that you are still living by the same spiritual beliefs as when you were twelve.  I was once like you, not exactly the same, but a lot like you.  I loved to argue Christianity and make fun of it and all that, but then I really looked into it and realized the truth.  Basically there are two types of people in this world - saved and unsaved.  The saved people who read this will know exactly what I'm talking about.  The unsaved people will read it and either agree with you, agree with me but still not committ their lives to Christ, be totally confused, or just not care.

If you want to continue the Bible study, let's hear some more scripture and how I allegedly do not "choose" to apply it to my life, when it was never meant for me to follow anyway.  I am not "claiming" to believe what I believe, I do believe it.  For some reason it upsets you.  I am not one of the "bible thumpers" who is going to try to change your life and scream at you and tell you that you're going to burn in hell, even though at this point I believe you will I'm not going to say it to you.  But do not pretend to think you know me, to know what I have done and haven't done for God, to think I haven't labored for him, to think all of this is fake and phony.  If you truly knew me and said those things, then maybe I'd be interested, but you don't and I'm not.  I am interested in telling you what is truth.  What I find funny is that Jesus warned me about you, he warned all Christians that they would face opposition.  Its so much easier to live on your side, but it is so much better to be on mine.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 18, 2006, 12:50:23 PM
Why dont you two just argue this in pm's, theres no need to bring others into this arguement.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* Beetlejuice
If you go back and re-read MY post, you will see that I admitted I made a mistake (yes humans do that) and I thought you were talking about "Yellow Brick Road," and not "Alice."  In post #65, by me, you'll see where I actually gave a link to that song, and I said it wasn't gay.  Then, in post #97, by me, you can reread when I realized you were talking about "Alice," and not "Yellow Brick Road," and it was there that I admitted the "Alice" song was about a lesbian.  For some unknown reason I just thought of "Yellow Brick Road" when I saw those words and totally lost track of the "Alice" lyrics until you had to repost them.  

So, there is no denial, no denial, no denial.  I am right and you are wrong on this one.  I will admit that I misread your post and got the song messed up, I am a human, a man at that, and I'm not afraid to admit when I mess up.  You, on the other hand, seem to think you are always right and I have proven you wrong several times, but instead of saying "Oh, you're right, I'm wrong," you move on to a different subject and ignore when I called you out.  Once again, Elton John may sing about gays, he may not, but I am standing by what I've always said, just one simple thing, that he is still a good musician.   At this point it doesn't even matter to me anymore.  If Jesus were alive he'd probably admit the same thing, but would he care that Elton John was a good musician?  Probably not, he would care more about his salvation.




I NEVER once said I literally follow the Bible to every word.  So yes, I agree, I don't literally follow the Bible, whether its intentionally or unintentionall y.  If I followed everything the Bible said, commanded me to do, then I would be perfect and I would never sin.  But I don't, I CANNOT, because I am human, and I was separated from God.  That is where Jesus comes in - he followed all of God's word, he lived the perfect life, and by me admitting I'm a sinner and not perfect and not worthy of God, but asking Jesus to come into my life and the Holy Spirit to fill my heart, I have become a child of God.  By Jesus dieing on the cross, he died for my sins and for everyone else's, sins I've committed in the past, sins I committ today, and sins I'll comitt for the rest of my life.  

Just because I cannot perform everything Bible says, doesn't mean I don't try to, and doesn't mean I'm not a Christian, or a hypocrite, and any other label you love using.  It just means I'm in need of a savior.  You don't understand any of this though because you yourself do not know Jesus/God.  It is NOT a fact that I pick and choose which parts of the Bible I want to follow.  Since you probably didn't read it or didn't understand it, I said that the Old Testament was from a different convanent, one in which we do not live now.  We live in a new convanent now, and follow what Jesus has taught, in the New Testament, which still comes from God.  God commanded others to do thing, kill, ect., but he is not commanding ME to do that because I am not living in Old Testament times.  People use to bring sacrifices as an offering to God - they do not do that anymore because we have Jesus now.  God commanded that in the Old Testament, does that mean I should be doing it right now?  No.  

Yes, you've shown me where it says or talking about killing gays in the Bible, but that is not what I asked.  I asked you to show me where it commandes ME personally to do so, and you still haven't found that verse.  You found the LV verse in which God commands Moses to do it, and you found the Romans verse in which Paul talks about God's wrath and God's judgement of gays, not mine.  Its all about God, don't you see, not about me.  I'm just living my life according to God's will.  I am not judging them, God is.  I am called to share my testimony and the gospel with them.  


If you think I am "twisting" your words, I apologize.  If you want me to (believe me you don't because I'll prove you wrong), I will go back to your post where you talked about stoning gays, quote it word-for-word, show you where I said that doesn't apply to me, and then you never did show me.  Its not twisting words to win an argument.  Do you think that is what this is about?  Do you think I am trying to "win" an argument?  You are wrong if you think so.  I know I not going to change your mind, I know I will never declare victory on this post.  What I do know is that I am sharing my life and my beliefs with you, and that it is causing you to think about it more closely.  If you do become a Christian, it won't be because of me, it'll be because of God and I was just planting a seed.

Like I said, those verses you quoted from Romans are Paul talking about God's wrath and judgement against people who know God and what God wants but neither have glorified him nor gave thanks to him.  People like you.  Although you may not be gay, you have a knowledge of God (reading the Bible twice before you were 12 means almost nothing because you did not apply it), yet you still refuse him.  It is you who is dead.  Your spirit is dead, you are dead in your sins, and it will ultimately lead to a physical death, but of course we will all die.  This is what Blakjax was saying, and you were right, the soul never dies, but the Bible refers to "dead souls/spirits" as ones which do not know God.  They are dead in their sins.  Become a believer is being "born again," a new creation, even though its not physical, its spiritual.  

I am not claiming to believe in something I have never fully explored.  Being a Christian is not reading the Bible cover to cover, as much as possible, memorizing every verse, and blah blah blah.  It helps in your relationship with God, to know him more.  Obviously the more you read, and the more you pray, the more you know Him.  But I still know him, and that is all that matters.  Here's what I claim to believe:  God is perfect, holy, he created everything.  He created man, in His image, to worship Him.  Man sinned against him.  Man and God became separated.  Jesus was sent to live the life that God created man for, then died for all of man's sins.  People who admit they sin and they surrended their lives to Jesus are once again connected to God, but only through Jesus.  God cannot look down on us for we are not holy.  But it is through the blood of Christ that he sees us and knows us, and that we may know Him.  That is what I believe.  

I'm sorry if I cannot tell you some of the stories from the Old Testament.  Maybe some day I will.  But that is not what matters, not to Christians, maybe to people like you.  I read the word, I pray to God, and I try to live my life to glorify him.  I've known several people with a much better understanding of the Bible than me, but they didn't have a personal relationship with God, therefore they were dead as well.  It is sad to think that you THINK you have a rational and informed knowledge of the Bible but you do not have a personal relationship with God.  It is sad to think that you are still living by the same spiritual beliefs as when you were twelve.  I was once like you, not exactly the same, but a lot like you.  I loved to argue Christianity and make fun of it and all that, but then I really looked into it and realized the truth.  Basically there are two types of people in this world - saved and unsaved.  The saved people who read this will know exactly what I'm talking about.  The unsaved people will read it and either agree with you, agree with me but still not committ their lives to Christ, be totally confused, or just not care.

If you want to continue the Bible study, let's hear some more scripture and how I allegedly do not "choose" to apply it to my life, when it was never meant for me to follow anyway.  I am not "claiming" to believe what I believe, I do believe it.  For some reason it upsets you.  I am not one of the "bible thumpers" who is going to try to change your life and scream at you and tell you that you're going to burn in hell, even though at this point I believe you will I'm not going to say it to you.  But do not pretend to think you know me, to know what I have done and haven't done for God, to think I haven't labored for him, to think all of this is fake and phony.  If you truly knew me and said those things, then maybe I'd be interested, but you don't and I'm not.  I am interested in telling you what is truth.  What I find funny is that Jesus warned me about you, he warned all Christians that they would face opposition.  Its so much easier to live on your side, but it is so much better to be on mine.


To your sermon I say, anyone with an IQ above 100, who has read the bible completely, or even very large portions of it, it is impossible to believe in god.  There are so many contradictions, lies, acts of violence, and insane people in the bible that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a rational person and still believe in it.  You have blinders on that are caused by your need to feel that there is some great being out there guiding us and protecting us, so you ignore the offensive parts of the bible and just focus on what you believe are the 'good' parts.  If you cared to take a look at the violence being committed in the world today, even ignoring the insanity of the bible, you would see that there is no god.  Where is he?  Why doesn't he set a bush on fire like he used to do?  He created this mess, but now he's too good to clean it up and your only option is to blindly believe in him?  He created man, he created mans violence.  He could have just as easily created the ideal man, but apparently he is so insecure that he needs to love and approval of mortal beings that only exist because he created them?  Sounds like a spoiled child playing with his dolls.

Those are rhetorical questions, I know the answers to them, so don't take it as an invitation to spread the faith.  The real answer is that human nature causes the mess, and there is no god.  You also seem to have a mild savior complex in that you feel you are being persecuted(via the internet?...) for your beliefs.

"So, there is no denial, no denial, no denial.  I am right and you are wrong on this one.  I will admit that I misread your post and got the song messed up, I am a human, a man at that, and I'm not afraid to admit when I mess up.  You, on the other hand, seem to think you are always right and I have proven you wrong several times, but instead of saying "Oh, you're right, I'm wrong," you move on to a different subject and ignore when I called you out.  Once again, Elton John may sing about gays, he may not, but I am standing by what I've always said, just one simple thing, that he is still a good musician.   At this point it doesn't even matter to me anymore.  If Jesus were alive he'd probably admit the same thing, but would he care that Elton John was a good musician?  Probably not, he would care more about his salvation."

Actually you're the one who refuses to admit being wrong and jumps around.  That is why it took so long to pin you down on admitting that the song lyrics were gay.  I did miss where you admitted it, but to accuse me of not admitting to being wrong is one of your favorite tactics, especially in light of the fact that that is the only point I have been wrong on.   I have provided source after source, and backed up each argument with as many facts as possible.  You continue to run on faith and emotion.  Only now when you think you  see an advantage will you admit that you 'misunderstood' that I was talking about the alice song.  I have proven that EJ sings songs about being queer.  I have shown you in the bible where it calls for you to kill queers.  Never have I said that jesus says to kill queers, that is a straw man argument of your own invention.  You insisting on me providing proof of jesus telling you to tell queers has nothing to do with my statement about the bible calling for the death of homosexuals.  


You say that you know jesus even though you haven't read the entire bible...well, what is stopping you?  You have time to argue with me for 5 hours, but you can't read the bible in it's entireity?  You act like bibles are rare or hard to read.  I would think that with your enormous faith in god you would devour the book.  The only thing stopping YOU from reading the bible is YOU.  All your points otherwise have no meaning in light of that.  Think how much closer you could be to god once you deciphered the meaning of such passages as...

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

You say oh, we don't do things that way anymore, that was a long time ago and jesus came since then.  Well, how long is 2000 fucking years to your eternal, omnipotent god?  2000 years ago to him must be nothing, for he has existed for all of time, right?  In fact, there could be no time but for him.  So really, it was just yesterday on eternal being time that he decided you didn't have to kill your children to make him happy.  In fact it makes your god seem somewhat wishy washy and liable to perform the dreaded flip-flop.

By the way, did you know that the bible makes claims as to when god created the earth?  The infallible word of god, the inscrutable literal word of god handed down by him, says the Earth is about, oh, say 10,000 years old.  Did you know that modern science makes a joke of those claims?  Damn heretic scientists.  I guess the real problem is that the men who invented the religion and wrote the bible couldn't imagine the earth being billions of years old.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: GWAR 3:16 on July 18, 2006, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Why dont you two just argue this in pm's, theres no need to bring others into this arguement.


Because Satan and God are both eager for new converts.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Milky Way on July 18, 2006, 01:15:09 PM
oo i am sorry

Elton John - can you feel the love tonight (its my favorite!)
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 18, 2006, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: *MAFIA* KrautKiller
Why dont you two just argue this in pm's, theres no need to bring others into this arguement.

You and Gwar have both missed the boat.  This is not an argument.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 18, 2006, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
To your sermon I say, anyone with an IQ above 100, who has read the bible completely, or even very large portions of it, it is impossible to believe in god.  There are so many contradictions, lies, acts of violence, and insane people in the bible that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a rational person and still believe in it.  You have blinders on that are caused by your need to feel that there is some great being out there guiding us and protecting us, so you ignore the offensive parts of the bible and just focus on what you believe are the 'good' parts.  If you cared to take a look at the violence being committed in the world today, even ignoring the insanity of the bible, you would see that there is no god.  Where is he?  Why doesn't he set a bush on fire like he used to do?  He created this mess, but now he's too good to clean it up and your only option is to blindly believe in him?  He created man, he created mans violence.  He could have just as easily created the ideal man, but apparently he is so insecure that he needs to love and approval of mortal beings that only exist because he created them?  Sounds like a spoiled child playing with his dolls.

That was me talking about 5 years ago.  I understand completely what you are saying - or should I say I understood?  The only way, ONLY way, you will ever know the true answer to that paragraph is if you believe.  That's all, there's no arguing back and forth anymore.  You believe what you believe, and I believe what I do, and we go our separate ways.  I've shared with you, and now I will pray for you.  That's all.  Sorry but there is no point to this anymore.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Actually you're the one who refuses to admit being wrong and jumps around.  That is why it took so long to pin you down on admitting that the song lyrics were gay.  I did miss where you admitted it, but to accuse me of not admitting to being wrong is one of your favorite tactics, especially in light of the fact that that is the only point I have been wrong on.   I have provided source after source, and backed up each argument with as many facts as possible.  You continue to run on faith and emotion.  Only now when you think you  see an advantage will you admit that you 'misunderstood' that I was talking about the alice song.  I have proven that EJ sings songs about being queer.  I have shown you in the bible where it calls for you to kill queers.  Never have I said that jesus says to kill queers, that is a straw man argument of your own invention.  You insisting on me providing proof of jesus telling you to tell queers has nothing to do with my statement about the bible calling for the death of homosexuals.

I don't jump around.  If you want to say I was wrong, then OK, I was wrong.  I saw "Yellow Brick Road," which you acutally posted the album before the song "Alice" and the lyrics, so I just assumed that it was those lyrics you posted.  So I looked up that link on the "Yellow Brick Road."  When I finally realized you were talking about a different song, then I said yes, you are right, it is a homosexual song.  I cannot put that any more plainly for you so you'll just have to live with that.  Elton John is still a great musician.  Check this out though, from post #51, by you:
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
I don't believe in a book that tells me to stone homosexuals to death, although I would gladly heave a rock at a fag, so there is a higher standard(jeeeeeeeeesus!) that you're held to.

I am not held to a higher standard.  The book does not tell you, or me, to stone homosexuals to death.  God commands Moses to do it in the Old Testament, and Paul talks about God judging gays in the New Testament, but you STILL haven't showed me where it commands YOU, personally, to stone gays to death.  And that, my friend, you are jumping around and won't admit you were wrong about.   You are just like the rest - you love to take scripture out of context and throw it at me or any other Christian and say "there, take that," when you have no clue what its about.
Quote from: GWAR 3:16

Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT).

That is the Old Testament, a command he gave to Moses.  Once again, he is not telling you or I or anyone of today to do that.  And that is what you said the book does.  Times were different then even if it is a spec in eternity.  But the scripture is true, they did do that, and more importantly, the part you really should be paying closer attention to, is that "those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be puinshed."  Romans 6:23 says "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."  The choice is easy if you ask me, but unrealistic to someone like you.  Sad.

Quote from: GWAR 3:16
You say that you know jesus even though you haven't read the entire bible...well, what is stopping you?  You have time to argue with me for 5 hours, but you can't read the bible in it's entireity?  You act like bibles are rare or hard to read.  I would think that with your enormous faith in god you would devour the book.  The only thing stopping YOU from reading the bible is YOU.  All your points otherwise have no meaning in light of that.  Think how much closer you could be to god once you deciphered the meaning of such passages as...

You say oh, we don't do things that way anymore, that was a long time ago and jesus came since then.  Well, how long is 2000 fucking years to your eternal, omnipotent god?  2000 years ago to him must be nothing, for he has existed for all of time, right?  In fact, there could be no time but for him.  So really, it was just yesterday on eternal being time that he decided you didn't have to kill your children to make him happy.

You don't have to have read the entire Bible to know Jesus.  You know him more, and better, the more you read and the more you pray, but it is not a "requirement" to be a Christian, sorry.  What is stopping me?  Well, several things.  First, I actually apply His word to my life.  I meditate on it and study it.  I don't just read it like any "normal" book and go on and on without stopping to think, mediate, study, and apply what he is really saying.  I like to do a lot of cross-referencing.  Second, I am selfish and lazy.  I am a sinner.  I do not seek God 24/7, and especially not his word.  I try my best, but being human my best isn't good enough.  I will eventually have read the Bible throughout, in time.  

When I am judged, I don't think it'll be a Sunday School type pop-quiz on memorizing scripture, it'll be on how I LIVED MY LIFE for God.  And yes reading the word is an important part of that but not the only part.  You would understand if you were a true follower of Christ.  I have never acted like the Bible is hard to read.  It was hard before I was a Christian, but I enjoy reading it now.  That was a misinterpretat ion on your part.  It is hard to read for hours on a consistent basis, but that's just me.  I know plently of people who read a lot every day, but sometimes they have trouble with what I like to do, which is apply it to every day life.  If you wish to believe that all of my points otherwise have no meaning if I haven't read the entire word, then keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.   I know God and you don't, and that is all that matters to me.

Yes you were right on another thing.  God is eternal.  We are just a speck, a dot, in terms of time and eternity.  2000 years ago was nothing for him, but there is still a difference in how people lived then and how they worshipped and sacrificed and how they do now.  If you cannot tell, even though I know this is along post, I am slowly putting an end to this "argument."  I think we've said pretty much all we need to say.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Phantom on July 18, 2006, 01:55:34 PM
I don't get it...so Gwar is arguing that god doesn't exist and beetle is just simply stating that he loves god?  Shouldn't the topic be the same?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on July 18, 2006, 01:57:22 PM
Yes, something like that Phantom.  That's why its hard for me to call this an "argument."  I know a lot of you don't believe in God.  I just like to tell people what I believe, and for them to tell me what they believe, and discuss it.  But I'm pretty much out of statements, so you'll see fewer paragraphs from me next time.  Ha!
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Kingpin on July 18, 2006, 02:17:51 PM
wow, i wont even try to read all that crap, can you guys stop??? HAHA
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Capsloc on July 18, 2006, 02:37:56 PM
8 pages huh. real good.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 18, 2006, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: GWAR 3:16
Heres one of my favorite passages from the bible.  It sounds perfectly reasonable.  Just thought I would do a little proselytizing.


1 Kings 20:35-36

35Now a certain man of (AB)the sons of the prophets said to another (AC)by the word of the LORD, "Please strike me." But the man refused to strike him.

 36Then he said to him, "Because you have not listened to the voice of the LORD, behold, as soon as you have departed from me, (AD)a lion will kill you." And as soon as he had departed from him a lion found him and killed him.

What a coinky dink!
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: [TBD] General Patton on July 18, 2006, 03:35:36 PM
red flag by billy talent pwns u all
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* KrautKiller on July 18, 2006, 04:15:35 PM
I think you want to be banned....
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: KaTaLySt on July 18, 2006, 06:46:21 PM
Amen
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 19, 2006, 04:46:40 PM
billy talent went to a melissa ethridge concert and liked it
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: giothermal on July 19, 2006, 05:25:23 PM
Don really have a favorite song but Piano music is the best.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: MacGiraffe on July 19, 2006, 06:31:59 PM
PIANO MUSIC? what the fuck, ur mexican ass music is better than piano music. no, wait, i would put me to sleep, beaner music gives me a headache. but pianos still suck nuts.

fav song = Ice Cream man by luniz and drudown, CUZ IS BOUT CRACK,
               
               or Rescue 911 by dru down and yukmouth, jus cuz its a super G'ed          
               out Oakland classic

but there's too many ore to name, but that'll do for now
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 19, 2006, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: macgiraffe
PIANO MUSIC? what the fuck, ur mexican ass music is better than piano music. no, wait, i would put me to sleep, beaner music gives me a headache. but pianos still suck nuts.

fav song = Ice Cream man by luniz and drudown, CUZ IS BOUT CRACK,
               
               or Rescue 911 by dru down and yukmouth, jus cuz its a super G'ed          
               out Oakland classic

but there's too many ore to name, but that'll do for now

I guarantee you ALL of the G'ed out musicians you like think the piano music is ill.
Title: Poignant moments
Post by: Mattspoon on July 19, 2006, 09:20:06 PM
Well, where to start. I don't play this game anymore, but was invited to look at this forum - to look at this particular thread - and to give my thoughts.

Interesting, it is, perhaps. Anyways, where to start the scrutiny... because it's all about being correct is it not? It's all about being "better", because... well why is that? Is it that we have nothing better to do? Is it because we find significance in being able "to own" others thereby proving how much better we are. For in being better we are more worthy, and to be worthy is to be... what we desire... ??? Why do we desire to be worthwhile? To be significant? Perhaps dancing with shadows is fine and dandy, but eventually, one must move into dancing with the shadow-caster else one may miss the point of it all.

So GWAR, on to some finer points. May both our eyes be opened to what is, and what is not.

[COLOR="DarkOliveGreen"]I'm not opposed to homosexuality on biblical grounds like you are. I find my own asshole disgusting and can only imagine what another man's asshole must be like.[/COLOR]

I have friend, some Sigma Chi out of Troy, that gets disgusted whenever he thinks about eating. The very act of mastication just bothers him, like something gnawing at the back of his neck. But all that to point to the very subjective existence that we move through. The great question is: "How do I know all this is real? How do I know that I'm not in a coma somewhere imagining all this is real?" And can anyone ever really answer that in any definitive way? At least in any way that adheres to a semblance of anything absolute?  

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]I don't believe in a book that tells me to stone homosexuals to death.[/COLOR]

Is it the book? Or is there a context. Citing Romans (1:32 is it) doesn't get one out of the boat just yet...

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]there is a higher standard(jeeeeeeeeesus!) that you're held to.[/COLOR]

...

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]If you watch a sports team with a homosexual player, and in all likelihood you probably do, yes, you're paying his salary. You're paying his salary by watching the commercials, you're paying his salary by looking at the advertisements in the field, you're paying his salary by buying a ticket to the game or buying team merchandise. If you want to rationalize it away, be my guest, however I will always be here to remind you of your hypocrisy.[/COLOR]

Please point me to the true meaning of your statement, but I'm taking it that Beetlejuice supports Homosexuality because he watches a sports team (that has a homosexual player on it) play and watches the commercials, etc, etc. Hence why you said you were here to remind him of his hypocrisy, right? Serisouly though, do you really believe what you wrote here, or am I missing something?  By this reasoning then if I breathe air I support homosexuality. Because gays breathe air. Because gays live on the same planet as me. Etc, etc.

Wait. That's faulty logic. Now you see what I don't understand your post of watching sports teams that may have a homosexual player thereby that entails supporting a homosexual "agenda".

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]He's a good musician, and hes also been a homosexual advocate his entire life. His fans have enabled him to wield more power than he would normally have had if he were a John Doe queer, and he's used his bully pulpit for a number of queer causes. So yes, you share some culpability in providing him with a life and a platform that he probably wouldn't have had as a 'normal' queer.[/COLOR]

Once again - in this thinking I suppose Democracy in general is to blame, and we should become Fascists. Not that Fascism is bad, per se, but that people are, as a general rule, bad and that's it's easier to be bad as a Fascist. (I almost want to believe that you aren't sure what you are writing here.)

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]As for stoning homosexuals in the bible, I passed over it as irrelevant. Would you like me to start pointing out things that you ignore and/or choose to evade? But since you insist, here you go. You might need some scope to get the taste of foot out of your mouth. Of course, you probably go to a touchy feely feel good church, and they don't cover the meaner bits of the bible. Isn't historical revisionism wonderful? You don't even have to follow what you claim to believe.[/COLOR]

I've always wondered that to. People try to make Noah's Ark and the flood a children's story, when it by all means is not. People dying left and right, drowning... probably some dude saw the boat and ran to it and scratched away at the door, but no one opened it... In fact, the "good" people are revealed, as portrayed in the OT, as never really being good at all. They may, actually, be portrayed as people really are... Some have good intentions, like Ur in reaching out to stop the Ark of the Covenant from falling to the ground only to be struck down by God for touching what he had no right to touch. Yes, regardless that his intention was to stop something "holy" from falling to the ground. Which, being learned like yourself, should point out that good intentions are not the definitive grade for man. What did you say again, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". But have you gone deeper than that or are you still dancing with the cast shadows?

[you quote Lev 20:13]

You did not keep going. If a man sleeps with a woman while she is having her period, then he shall be cut off from his people. Incestuous relations are the same, et al. But I think even reading a few more passages might illuminate what is "more than meets the eye".

Lev 20:25-26

You shall therefore separate the clean beast from the unclean, and the unclean bird from the clean. You shall not make yourselves detestable by beast or by bird or by anything with which the ground crawls, which I have set apart for you to hold unclean. You shall be holy to me, for I the LORD am holy and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be mine.

Perhaps there was a purpose, and this purpose is alluded to only a few short verses later.

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]That is from the KJV. There are other versions of the bible(how can there be so many versions of god's word?) [/COLOR]

So many "versions" of God's word? First, are you pointing that out as fallacy? Couldn't anyone say in response: "That's the same as getting uptight that different people have translated Homer's Iliad into English in different ways. Some prefer Robert Fagles, because he's a tradionalist, but I prefer Lombardi, because his language is more contemporary - and the D-Day landing cover brings it more to life." So are you getting at the different languages, or styles, or what are you even getting at?

[COLOR="darkolivegreen"]As for me without a savior, my race is my religion, and my skin is my uniform. You lie there crying for jesus, and I'll depend on my self. Lets see who helps faster. [/COLOR]

I'm not understanding the "authority" or "knowledge" you seem stand on. Maybe I'm just assuming from all that you've written and that you may be knowledgable with some Scripture. Beetlejuice told me that you've read the Bible (cover to cover, twice, before age 12). So let's refer back to it.

Let's start simple and see where we go from there. (And I'm not trying to be an ass about it.)

Ephesians 2:8-9  
   [COLOR="Blue"]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.[/COLOR]

2 Corinthians 3:5-10
   [COLOR="blue"]Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, (6) who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (7)  Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, (8) will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? (9) For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. (10) Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it.[/COLOR]  

1 Corinthians 1:27-31
   [COLOR="blue"]But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; (28) God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, (29) so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. (30) He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption. (31) Therefore, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."[/COLOR]

I'm hoping a theme was at least partially established that is self-evident. You say you will be "self-dependent". That's great. It's good to be aware of self. It's good to have integrity. The point is that all that amounts to is what happened to Ur with the ark of the covenant. If you stand on your works, you will be judged by your works. The illustration of the Bible, both OT and NT, is that all your "righteous" works are "filthy rags" before God. Not just yours because sometimes you're an asshole, but your's, mine, Fred, Bob, Wilma's, everyone. You know how we know filthy rags are a bad thing? It's not because some nickel and dime preacher in an equally nickel and dime pulpit said so, but because God, in the OT, spoke of these filthy, or menstrual, rags as being "unclean" - or that which "seperates" from that which is "set apart" or holy.

GWAR, seriously, there's always someone smarter. There's always someone more versed, more well read, fancier, smarter, blah blah blah blah. I'm not saying that I am any of those things compared to you, what I am saying is that the Position of Jesus will never be sufficient to maintain Faith in Jesus. Only the PERSON of Jesus can do that. As as with all people, all relationships, they don't always make sense, they don't follow a text book outline (unless you really, really, really, simplify it) - because that's life. If you want to be a jackass, that's great. Take a number. There's at least a billion on the planet (and yeah, I'll be right in line with you). But no one really gives a shit. And you know that - or, you should.  

I am however saying that the Bible is a bit of a story. There's a beginning, a lot of exposition, of lot of so-called "facts" and numbers and citations. But there is a climax. There is a d'enouement. There is an ending. Don't mistake the forest for the tree, or vice versa.

God promises in the old testament (Hosea), that no longer will the people call Him "Baal", but they call call Him "My Husband". Baal is another word for god - with a little "g". Now all those NT kids like to speak about being in relationship with God - with Jesus. Jesus points out that love is the key. But the Greek word doesn't always translate well into English since we trash our language so. So maybe a better adverb is needed. Add "passionately" to that. To passionately love God and to passionately love other people. What a calling, what a calling indeed.

For everyone else in this forum, sorry to have used up your space and message board. Blame Beetlejuice.

Shalom,
-wolfe
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: MacGiraffe on July 19, 2006, 09:42:13 PM
hu? u cant jus be comin on forums and write thesis papers. it just aint right. babies get hurt when things like that happen. dam u beetle
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* LAAZ on July 20, 2006, 03:47:51 AM
Jesus Christ....
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Capsloc on July 20, 2006, 05:34:50 AM
*whistles* that's too much to read there buddy. someone should close this now.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Twisted on July 20, 2006, 10:45:45 AM
wow was that his first post?
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: HaVoK on July 20, 2006, 12:33:55 PM
Lol, wow Beetle you have some wicked friends or people who come on here and write stuff.  That was frickin' awesome.  Props.
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* ßlåkjáx on July 20, 2006, 09:34:30 PM
mattspoon is my hero lol
Title: Best song of all time?
Post by: Elliott Smith on July 20, 2006, 09:48:42 PM
"Superfantastic"

-George Saunders
Title: Re: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Balthazar on October 13, 2011, 09:34:38 PM
NECRO THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I just re-read this ENTIRE thread and I have two comments.

1. GWAR is an unfortunate angry guy. Now naturally every persons situation is different from the next but i'm willing to bet that he goes on wondering why he isn't recognized for his "brilliance" when in all reality
   Elliott was dead on from what I have been able to gather. He will more than likely end up as nothing but a "blip" on the spectrum. His anger is directed towards an inconceivable "evil" of the world that most would
   interpret as "Corporate America". Again, Elliott was dead on here as well, too cliche' to even matter.

   If he were around today more than likely he would go on pronouncing that the concept of "Net-Neutrality" is his new mission in life. You would find him amongst the confused huddled masses in the
   "Occupy" campaign happening around the country. Yes GWAR, you are the 99%, the 99% that preach free-will and anarchy, but when the buck stops with the people that actually make a difference, you have
   no opinion other than, "The Government is Evil" with no substance to back it up.

   You are NOT unique. Stand in line and accept what has been given to you because god knows you haven't worked for it.

2. Elliott Smith in all his brilliance had many lapses in judgement. He seemed to have the same "complex" that GWAR had, I think that's why they argued so ferociously. Elliott felt like a "tortured genius"  never being
    recognized for being so "unique".


Words of advice for both of them and people like them:

If you want to feel "unique" and "special" in this world, stop caring so damned much. It's the fundamentalist that you despise so much that you are imitating, just on the opposite spectrum.

If you want to feel like you truly made a difference, work WITH the system. Somtimes, just sometimes, it actually makes peoples lives better.

Thread successfully derailed. Continue...

P.S. I secretly hope this brings both of them back, I miss them :(




Title: Re: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Beatlejuice on October 14, 2011, 03:54:10 PM
Eduard Khil - "I Am Glad, Cause I'm Finally Returning Back Home"
Title: Re: Best song of all time?
Post by: IronMan on October 14, 2011, 05:04:45 PM
Eduard Khil - "I Am Glad, Cause I'm Finally Returning Back Home"

<3
Title: Re: Best song of all time?
Post by: *MAFIA* Wasserfaller on October 14, 2011, 10:44:21 PM
haha my favorite response has to be from Giothermal...


Don really have a favorite song but Piano music is the best.
Title: Re: Best song of all time?
Post by: Forten on September 22, 2016, 02:26:12 AM
wow ... A really long post