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*MAFIA* => General => Topic started by: Loaded on March 26, 2008, 06:40:44 PM
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I was sitting here doing nothing with my life ::) and I thought I would post some guns and see your thoughts on them... What would be your choice and why?
This is a Sig 220 Elite (.45) Sig Web Site (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=170)
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095861000/95861396/pix1147556921.jpg)
This is a Sig 220 Equinox (.45) Sig web Site (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=146)
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095381000/95381676/pix639435890.jpg)
This is a HK45 (.45) HK Web Site (http://www.hk-usa.com/hk45_general.html)
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095867000/95867256/pix1151148109.jpg)
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Personally, just cosmetic, I like the HK45. I will have to read and do some research on how they fire and all that. They are all nice looking weapons, but that is what I would choose off of looks.
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HK45, all the way.
Ooohh and socom style.
Or is that that mk.23?
Oh well, 45's a better model.
HK!
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About the HK45... It is going to be one of the best guns ever made, but time will tell for sure. It is being said the HK45 is to the 21st century to what the 1911 was in the 20th century. It will be very hard to find anything bad said about the HK.
Now the Sig on the other hand, they are great guns, they do have some problems talked about, BUT there are 10s of thousands of the p220s out there and as of now not more then 2,000 HKs.
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They just made a emp 1911 which is VERY small compared to the other.
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They just made a emp 1911 which is VERY small compared to the other.
Yes by Springfield, the damn thing is made in Brazil by the way... To small for me, that EMP at a 3" barrel isn't going to cut it IMO. That small of a gun is nothing but what the public "thinks" they want, but they don't understand what they "need"... Also it can only be had in 9mm or .40SW and not .45, so really IMO it isn't a true 1911.
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095479000/95479557/pix735237109.jpg)
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I'd go for the first Sig, the one with the wooden handle. It looks like its gonna last, and actually looks like a gun. The HK looks like it would be neat for maybe a week but then I'd think, wtf? This toy better not snap when I fire the fucker plus it looks gay. So yeah, I'd go for the first, its not pretty but there's no mistaking if you flash that around I guarantee you'll get arrested ha ha
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I think I would prefer a 6 shooter. Just because it would make me feel like a cowboy.
But I agree with Dune, I would go with the wood handle.
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My cousin has a USP .45, that thing has got some balls. Just because i've had some really good fun firing that thing and haven't ever had a problem with it, i would get one of those. But it's only got a 4 inch barrel i think. Of the ones you posted though, any Sig or HK will do, but the HK looks the best.
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(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095861000/95861396/pix1147556921.jpg)
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What about this one? The little brother of the full size Hk45 posted above, 3.9" barrel.
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095902000/95902814/pix1177328437.jpg)
or a nice "Pimped Out" Sig with Aluminum Grips...
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/095722000/95722237/pix995987625.jpg)
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Second one looks ok.
I'd get one of these:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z44/Dune79wooo/gun3.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z44/Dune79wooo/gun2.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z44/Dune79wooo/gun1.jpg)
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I like this one:
(http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/arts_jen/2005_07_artswatergun.jpg)
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anyone ever consider maybe a .380?
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anyone ever consider maybe a .380?
Yeah, but i'd still rather have that .45.
Just cause it's fucking sexy
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HK45
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Second one looks ok.
I'd get one of these:
Not sure how I missed that post... Do you know the "I'd get one of these:" you picked a Walther P22, it is only .22LR?
.22LR on the right and .45 5th from the right.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Comparitive_handgun_rounds.jpg/800px-Comparitive_handgun_rounds.jpg)
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I don't know a lot about guns, and i don't want to seem like i do, but my dad drags me to some gun shows and a couple of things Ive heard, and observed are new guns from "1970-2008"
have lighter rounds
smaller rounds
carry more rounds
and are more inaccurate
and go really really fast (velocity)
+ a faster rate of fire
while older guns like from WW1, WW2, the Koren war "if u want to call it a war"
have fewer rounds
heavyer rounds
more accurate
and slower (velocity)
+ slower fate of fire
can any one tell me why?
my theory is
faster = a piercing through some one making a hole for them to bleed out
slower = i have no idea other than slower with a big bullet smashing bone and tearing ligaments and then staying in there...
I don't know witch way of fighting is better, so can some one tell me witch one and why? :confused:
My dad owns a 30cal browing automatic ma-chingun [( i think its 30 cal ) any ways it fiers .308] and on a tripod it is accurate... he says its a little to accurate for a ma-chingun also it has a slow rate of fire while newer guns have a faster rate.
and to avoid any mix up if my post was UN clear I'm just showing ppl what i know about the changes in guns and asking why have they changed in that way?
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Not sure how I missed that post... Do you know the "I'd get one of these:" you picked a Walther P22, it is only .22LR?
.22LR on the right and .45 5th from the right.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Comparitive_handgun_rounds.jpg/800px-Comparitive_handgun_rounds.jpg)
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TO HELL WITH THE BULLET PICTURE, WHICH GUN SHOOTS THE BATTERIES!?!?!?!?!!?
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Should I even reply to that Maggot :-*
Pepper... Without me going into some big old write up and maybe making a fool of myself (I am not by any means a pro at this as well)...
Modern Ballistics = Lighter = Faster = More Accurate = More penetration = More Expansion on Penetration.
Lets take a small saying... "It is better to go with a bigger bullet and know it will never get smaller, then go with a smaller bullet and hope it gets bigger"....
The bigger the bullet the more chance of hitting something to make that target bleed out faster. There are only 2 places to hit a living thing that will stop them in their tracks, the head, the central nervous system, always aim for "center mass" and in that case a smaller bullet will work just fine IF you hit the head or central nervous system. Any other place, Adrenaline takes over and that live target can go on until they bleed out or die of infection days or weeks later, again bigger bullet better chance to hit something make them bleed out... Yes if you hit them in the heart, they will die pretty fast (bleeding out ;) ), but they still have life in them to get you back.
From Past to today... IMO it is like everything else in our world, things get better over time. So I can not believe that Ballistics of yesteryear are better then today.
Ok maybe I did make fool of myself ::)
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TO HELL WITH THE BULLET PICTURE, WHICH GUN SHOOTS THE BATTERIES!?!?!?!?!!?
Any gun dude.
Just put it infront of a chambered bullet.
And aim it toward your face.
Try that?
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My dad owns a 30cal browing automatic ma-chingun [( i think its 30 cal ) any ways it fiers .308]
A "machine gun"? I'm sure he does...The bigger the bullet the more chance of hitting something to make that target bleed out faster
Sure, If you can hit the target with the re-coil off a .45 at distance
Nah honestly I forgot about the .45 thing I just thought that gun looked cool. I bet you could probably get it in .45 though, most manufacturers have multiple ranges of calibres in their weapons.
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A "machine gun"? I'm sure he does...Sure, If you can hit the target with the re-coil off a .45 at distance
Nah honestly I forgot about the .45 thing I just thought that gun looked cool. I bet you could probably get it in .45 though, most manufacturers have multiple ranges of calibres in their weapons.
Sure his dad could have one, they are not banned in the USA like people think they are... As long as the gun was bought before 1986 he has every right to have it. I could even buy the pre 1986 gun as long as I pay a $200.00 fed tax or to get around it completely, I could buy all new parts (now finding a full-auto trigger module is a problem) and make the gun, that is also legal... Mind you there are state laws that have to be followed, but the state I live in, there is no problem on having a full auto weapon using the above examples.
Nope, that gun is only made in 22lr or 9mm, no .45.
About Recoil of the .45... Back on the 1st page, the HK45 has a recoil buffer, the gun has no more recoil then a 9mm... Also distance shooting, you wouldn't be using a hand gun, that is what a rifle is for. Pistols (I am not talking hunting hand guns, 8"+ barrels) are for the so called "combat range" of 21 feet (7 yards) or less, but most "good" hand guns can still do their business allot farther.
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Gotta about the full-auto.
About the Glock... I posted somewhere on the forum, "I will never own one".
25 yards is not a range to be shooting a pistol of that size, that is nothing but a "show off" range ;) .
Yes you should care who makes the weapon. Manufactures and models make a very big difference on how a gun shoots with the round of choice. Like with you and the Glock, you were using a plastic framed gun, I bet if you went and tried a all medal gun you would do much better or a should say feel much better on how you shoot. Now I am not saying Plastic is bad, because that is what the HK is and IMO and many others around the world, the HK is by far the best made plastic gun in the world (HK was the 1st to make plastic framed guns). Find someone with a HK USP in .45 and I would bet you would chance your mind about the .45 (but in your neck of the woods, a .45 isn't easy to find).
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I managed to dig up a target fron that 9mm Glock 17 shoot. Out of 19 rounds from an extended magazine I only managed to hit the target 12 times but 5 head shots whoop! whoop! and another 4 chest shots
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z44/Dune79wooo/target.jpg)
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I moved Peppers dad post to his own thread, please carry on about that in this... http://www.mafiaowns.com/index.php/topic,7442.0.html
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Change of plans... With the way things are going now a days, I am going for a Sig 556 before some Federal butthead says I can't buy one.
So here it is... Sig 556... (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=35&productid=114)
(http://www.sigsauer.com/images/catalog/product/SIG556Detail_right.jpg)
My Sig Sp2340 .357sig will just have to do me for now.
(not my gun, but this is it)
(http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~crous-n/p2340a-1.jpg)
What do you all think about going with the rifle 1st?
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um i say go with something with a little more power maybe a line off the ar15 or something with .223 rifle
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um i say go with something with a little more power maybe a line off the ar15 or something with .223 rifle
The Sig 556 is a .223, kind off.
.223 = 5.56mm (the name sake of the rifle)
It is just the NATO 5.56mm has higher pressures then the Rem .223. BUT it is best not to shoot the NATO round out of a gun that should only shoot the .223 rem. So with that said, the NATO 5.56 is a "hotter" round then the .223.
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well then get it pawpaw :)
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get a Garand, good nostalgia gun, works well, and packs a punch.
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get a Garand, good nostalgia gun, works well, and packs a punch.
You play to much BF1942 ;)
A 30-06 would hurt my old bones :'(
Really... I could get a Garand anytime. When getting a true "modern" assault rifle who knows what will happen in the next year. Something tells me because of what has been going on in the news in the last year, we will be seeing a Country wide Assault rifle ban and I want my rifle before that happens... There will be laws to stop you from buying, but I can never see a law happening to take it away after you already have it.
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Go for it Loaded, it looks awsome. Especially with a handle on the rail and a scope. They cost nearly $2000 though but meh it'll last for years.
Check this out, a strip of a Sig 556:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE8OZFg8nMo
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Thanks, I seen the Vid, I am info dead right now, I have looked at so much stuff about this weapon.
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just be sure and get it with semi, burst, and full auto.
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Well I went to a gun show today and this is what I came out with...
Ar in 5.56, Mil-Spec, flip sights, 16” Stainless Steel HBar “Helical Fluted" barrel, upgraded Flash Suppressor, Sling mounts, so on and so on.
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/Anvil Arms.jpg)
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Do you a lot of land you shoot that on, or do you go to a range or what...
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I have 12ac, on one side of me nothing for 2 miles and the other side nothing for 1 mile, so no problem shooting here.
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Rofl, you gun nut Paw Paw. Lets see some 25yrd targets you crazy bastard. By the way I'm still sending a gun toting crackhead with a 9mm to your yard for your birthday ha ha ha....be prepared mofo.
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How much did that beast cost you loaded?
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How much did that beast cost you loaded?
ya, i second that. Do you have to have some special permit to buy that kind of thing? Does it have single, burst, auto...?
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More then a dollar and less then a million... The stock rifle from this company is around $900 and I have about $400 in options, but I did not pay anywhere near the retail, I did very well on the final cost.
No permit... No full or brust, it is just semi-auto, but less then $50 in parts can make it full auto, it already has the full auto carrier bolt group install (completely legal), just the shear and trigger full auto group is needed.
BUT then Yes a permit (well the right paper work) needs to be filled out, it is called a class III and takes about 60days to get. I would have no problem (with my personnel back ground) on getting a class III and it helps that my State is "very" class III friendly. No plans on making full-auto, for me, no need.
Here are a few somewhat better photos of the rifle...
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/100_1963.jpg)
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/100_1966.jpg)
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/100_1970.jpg)
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/100_1971.jpg)
(http://www.mafiaowns.com/mfs/ih/100_1976.jpg)
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Tell you the truth, I wouldn't even file the paper work. It only takes about 5 minutes to change all the parts to put it on full auto. A couple of push pins and slide the internal components in, and the push the pins back in and you are rocking and rolling. That is just me. Now if you have to file the paper work to get the parts, then yes, I would file the paper work. Just me though. Nice peice, though.
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Nice peice, though.
I agree.
Loaded I envy you more than Hellraiser envy's penis.
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Tell you the truth, I wouldn't even file the paper work. It only takes about 5 minutes to change all the parts to put it on full auto. A couple of push pins and slide the internal components in, and the push the pins back in and you are rocking and rolling. That is just me. Now if you have to file the paper work to get the parts, then yes, I would file the paper work. Just me though. Nice peice, though.
Buying the parts, no paper work.
Thanks, with that HBar stainless barrel it is heavy, but what the hell it looks cool and I could hit someone with it if I run out of ammo.