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You personally attack me you will get one in return, I dont discriminate:D.

I'll show you some stuff... this could take 20-30 minutes, so chill out while I reply.

I knew this would turn into an interesting thread... haven't read any replies yet, just checking here... gotsta go study...


I've read Swifty's post...  you take everything at 1/2 face value.  You have to take it at full face value and then analyze it.  Not just analyze it, but take into persepective the OTHER side of it.  Have some empathy for the terrorists, learn there side.  Pretend you are the median between the two sides, the US and Iraq.  To understand it, you're not going to hear one side and know it all.

We weren't provoked at 9/11.  The Bush administration lied SO much, it's rediculous.  Did you see a plane at the Pentagon?  Did you see one in Shanksville, PA?  Am I really supposed to believe that for the first 2 times in history, a plane (2 in one day), were incinerated by a fireball.  There's the theory that it hit the lower 1st story of the Pentagon, and there's a level of destruction before the collapse that shows where the wings hit.  Where are the wings?  Don't you think that a hunk of metal traveling at over 500 mph would break all the columns on the first floor... shatter glass, would knock over the spools infront as EVERY theorist site shows... so why would the government claim it to be a plane crash if they don't just show us it really was.  They release 5 frames for us to see?  That's BULLSHIT.  All they have to do is show us a few more frames of that video for us to be able to see the plane hit.

All the controversy on the government not releasing information about 911, trade center 7 falling out of the blue? and all the damning evidence, points more to the Bush administration than Al Qaeda.  What even makes you think Al Qaeda were the ones who did it?  More than HALF of the hijackers are still alive and well today, the others may still be too.  They have no solid evidence, not even an ACTUAL video of Bin Laden admitting to it.  The one the US released is obviously a fake.


And swifty, I'm uneducated?  I'm the one who takes in everything, from all sides, pictures, words, commentary, and actually am taking the time to analyze it.  ALL you're doing is relaying information that the US gives us.  You're doing absolutely nothing in the forms of thoughts.  Now, you could argue the same for me, except for the fact that I've been in researching this since about a year after it began... That's right, a 10 year old kid was smarter than you swifty.

Bush may not be doing the right thing, but he is not a terrorist because he is killing for a reason not over religion

Yes, killing for reasons other than religion are perfectly fine.  Killing for personal gain as long as you are part of the US is perfectly fine.

Yeah do you really think this is JUST about oil? Please....its just people trying to find some way to bitch about something else. Bush was by far the better choice over Kerry. That having been said there could have been a lot better choices. When someone comes...kills over 2000 people in the largest city in the US, then tries to target you, would you have done a better job? I stand behind my president becuase hes just that. Im not going to point the finger or bitch about this and that. Ill hope for the safe return of the troops and Ill hope that things get resolved. He might not have made the best plans for going to war, but if he didn't do something it could be worse. If you can't deal with what the US is doing, there's always Canada....or Mexico.

Bush was better than Kerry?  Kerry could only point out Bush's obvious flaws, that's it.  John Edwards, had the plans to fix everything.  Either way with that election, we were going to get royally fucked in the ass, because Kerry wouldn't have done a thing... and Edwards would push to shut down every major corporation in this country.  BUT, in November of last year, I constantly said, that if Bush get's re-elected, I expected that we would be on the brink of nuclear war.  GUESS WHAT, cha-CHING.  We are.  Nothing > nukes.  It's better to do nothing, then to start a war of M.A.D.

I completely plan on moving to another country when I have enough money.  I believe Canada has a limit of requiring a certain amount of money far too large for myself to go to.  A nice neutral country like Switzerland with your money would make me quite happy.  (which is argueably one of the hardest contries to immigrate too)


Bone - I admire you're heroism!:)  Now, when you were there for the first invasion... and they were shooting at you... why do you think they were shooting at you?  You're approaching their grounds... on their turf, with weapons, and planning to shoot them.  If I were one of them, fuck, I'd fire back.  I'm not gonna sit there and take one to the head without a fight.  Picture one of the most powerful armies advancing on you, with the intent of killing you.  I'd do the same thing.  As for all those people who you were able to obtain freedom for, thank you.

(posted on another forum)
http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_8970_US-soldiers-iraq-20-2-2004.jpg


My reply:
[SIZE="3"]ter·ror·ism
n.
    The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.[/SIZE]

The unlawful use

I'll just quote drew;)...
Unlawful Use:

This isn't fighting terrorism, this is a blank check to wage military operations internationall y without the president needing to go to Congress to declare war.

or threatened use of force

Force:

violence by a person or an organized group against people or property

Organized:

Property:

with the intention of intimidating or coercing

Intimidation:
Bush

W/

=

intimidating or coercing societies or governments

Society or Government:

often for ideological or political reasons.

It's as simple as 2+2=4.  Bush + War = Terrorism.  What defines terrorism?  What he does, is terrorism.  Iraq didn't strike first, we did.  Therefore, we are terrorists.  How do Iraqi's feel?  Turn on the news.  They feel they're being approached by an organized group trying to gain something for their own ideological beliefs, by a method of force and violence, whose validity on legal terms is questionable, in other terms, terrorists.

you can try to hide it but we all know iceman

(David has a dirty little secret)

and Beetle, where do you find this stuff lol.

hahha, that was awesome

the reaction is funny, but remembering stuff like that from being a kid... where I was ACTUALLY in danger... not cool.

next time I play a live show, I'm gonna pay someone to take a kickass metal picture of me.