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[*MAFIA* Wasserfaller]

[*MAFIA* OUTLAW]

I tend to lean towards the ideas Freemasonry. Freemasons mostly believe in morals, philosophy, and brotherhood while avoiding false pretexts and arrogant prophets from many different religions. I’m a man of science so it’s hard to believe in any sort of obscure ultimate divine power or alluded promises of salvation.

The way I see it, if God really existed why would there be disease in this world? I was born with essential tremor and I have been unable to control it since I can remember. I used to blindly pray to god to make it disappear by judging my good deeds over any sins my family or I may have committed to afflict me with such a disease. I’m 21 now and the disease hasn’t gone away while progressing at the same time. Spiritually, I see no reason for me to have the disease. In reality I do have it and no god is going to cure me of it, so I respect a lot of the doctors and scientists that put in endless hours to find cures for many diseases. I always hear that shit argument that god wants you to suffer on this world before you can obtain salvation in heaven. To me that’s a bunch of bullshit. What about kids with birth defects and handicaps? Did they really deserve to have those “extreme” ailments before they even had the chance to prove to god how good of a person they are? For being such a “loving” father, god seems like the biggest douche bag there could possibly be. I always hear that god is everywhere in this world. Well, why the fuck can’t he take 5 seconds of his time to whisper in my ear that he exists? The pharmacist that I work with and I have various religious discussions about many reasons why god doesn't exist (it pays not talking to an idiot like some irrational religious fool). I could describe all these reasons why I don’t believe in god but I’m not here to write a book. Let me mention that I’m not a full blown atheist either. I still do question the existence of god.

So, why Freemasonry? I’m intrigued of how secret of a fraternity they are. Many believe that the higher degree masons know the truths about religion, both the power from the bad and the good. They use powerful symbolism all over the world. Their influence in politics is incredible. For example George Washington was a freemason. Many elite politicians and military generals are/were freemasons if you do the research. One of the major reasons Hitler came to power in Germany was the help he received from freemasons when no one even knew who the hell he was.

There are many different sects of Freemasons. My favorite is the Illuminati, perhaps the most powerful people in the world. Not much is specifically known about them because of how they secretly operate. If you do the research though, their existence becomes unquestionable .

Cool Vid:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>

Just my view on religion

[*MAFIA* OUTLAW]

But ever since a few months ago when I started studying all the other "possible" (or so they call it) ways this world and everything in it was created I cannot believe that we are part of some random, incredibly spectacular display of chance. There is no math to it. The human (and like all animals) cells are incredibly complex (enormous understatement), and that's just the beginning.

I respect your fascination for the complexity of the world and the composition of cells. However, saying there is no math to it is rather arrogant. In my defense if we take account of probability and the diverse universe, we get a fairly good idea of a “math” that explains this singularity. There’s one universe (if we exclude the theory of parallel universes) with an estimated hundreds of billions of galaxies. Within the galaxies are hundreds of billions of stars within solar systems composed of different arrangements of numerous planets. The chances are (to overemphasize) basically a googol to one that there is life, intelligent or not, that exists somewhere else in this universe.
Cells are extremely complex, especially the proteins within them. However, scientists have been able to replicate the “spark” that establishes the basic organic materials needed to make a cell (for example nucleotides).

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/

Chances there are other life forms even in our solar system:

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/features/mars_life_feature_1015.html

[IronMan]

I am not from a religious family nor am I baptised. I grew up with Christian friends who believed that they were better than other people because they were "Closer" to god and jesus.
I do not believe in what I cannot see. I do somewhat believe in an afterlife tho, but there is no way to know way to tell until you're dead.

I support OUTLAW on his post, he goes trough the day with a tough disease to bear on his shoulders, if God exists, why would he make outlaw suffer?

Can a religious person answer my last Q?

[*MAFIA* Beatlejuice]

However, scientists have been able to replicate the “spark” that establishes the basic organic materials needed to make a cell (for example nucleotides).

Where did the spark come from?

[*MAFIA* Hellraiser]

Where did the spark come from?

jumper cables hooked up to a live battery!! 

[*MAFIA* Hellraiser]

I tend to lean towards the ideas Freemasonry. Freemasons mostly believe in morals, philosophy, and brotherhood while avoiding false pretexts and arrogant prophets from many different religions. I’m a man of science so it’s hard to believe in any sort of obscure ultimate divine power or alluded promises of salvation.

The way I see it, if God really existed why would there be disease in this world? I was born with essential tremor and I have been unable to control it since I can remember. I used to blindly pray to god to make it disappear by judging my good deeds over any sins my family or I may have committed to afflict me with such a disease. I’m 21 now and the disease hasn’t gone away while progressing at the same time. Spiritually, I see no reason for me to have the disease. In reality I do have it and no god is going to cure me of it, so I respect a lot of the doctors and scientists that put in endless hours to find cures for many diseases. I always hear that shit argument that god wants you to suffer on this world before you can obtain salvation in heaven. To me that’s a bunch of bullshit. What about kids with birth defects and handicaps? Did they really deserve to have those “extreme” ailments before they even had the chance to prove to god how good of a person they are? For being such a “loving” father, god seems like the biggest douche bag there could possibly be. I always hear that god is everywhere in this world. Well, why the fuck can’t he take 5 seconds of his time to whisper in my ear that he exists? The pharmacist that I work with and I have various religious discussions about many reasons why god doesn't exist (it pays not talking to an idiot like some irrational religious fool). I could describe all these reasons why I don’t believe in god but I’m not here to write a book. Let me mention that I’m not a full blown atheist either. I still do question the existence of god.

So, why Freemasonry? I’m intrigued of how secret of a fraternity they are. Many believe that the higher degree masons know the truths about religion, both the power from the bad and the good. They use powerful symbolism all over the world. Their influence in politics is incredible. For example George Washington was a freemason. Many elite politicians and military generals are/were freemasons if you do the research. One of the major reasons Hitler came to power in Germany was the help he received from freemasons when no one even knew who the hell he was.

There are many different sects of Freemasons. My favorite is the Illuminati, perhaps the most powerful people in the world. Not much is specifically known about them because of how they secretly operate. If you do the research though, their existence becomes unquestionable .

Cool Vid:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/7NasHZ9hhjY?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>

Just my view on religion

  I will tell you that I agree with you 100%!

[*MAFIA* OUTLAW]

Where did the spark come from?

If you’re alluding to the “original spark” it came from the extreme conditions that took place in the biosphere while Earth was still in its infancy. Many elements were mixing about in Earth’s atmosphere during this time. These elements included many important organic particles found everywhere in our bodies such as Oxygen, “Phosphate”, Hydrogen, Carbon, and Nitrogen. All of these are essential for the structure of RNA. The presence of water (let’s say a little warm pond on the surface of Earth as the crust was cooling) provides the optimal environment to produce RNA via condensation reaction. As years went on, reactions took place and were governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics . Entropy played its cards so to say. Molecules produced RNA, which conformed to DNA, which allowed cells to develop, cells allow organs, and organs provide organisms. If you allow organic reactions to take place for billions of years your product is going to be something incredibly unique like humans.

What these scientists did was remarkable. They took this level of sophistication and applied the same principles in a lab and their results were irrefutable.

Cool Pic:

http://www.web-books.com/MoBio/Free/Ch3A5.htm

[*MAFIA* ßlåkjáx]

If you’re alluding to the “original spark” it came from the extreme conditions that took place in the biosphere while Earth was still in its infancy.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the "spark" that started it all. Since we "know" matter cannot be created or destroyed, where did the Earth come from?

[*MAFIA* OUTLAW]

where did the Earth come from?

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[HaVoK]

[*MAFIA* Hellraiser]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tz8ithgTBj4?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Tz8ithgTBj4?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>

 

[*MAFIA* KaMiKaZe JaP]

Humans are very insignificant creatures, if there is a God, he probably fucking hates us because we practically enslaved all his other creations and are destroying the world he created.

[*MAFIA* OUTLAW]

Humans are very insignificant creatures, if there is a God, he probably fucking hates us because we practically enslaved all his other creations and are destroying the world he created.

Well, in that case shouldn’t god just hate himself for creating us the way he did?

[*MAFIA* KaMiKaZe JaP]

Well, in that case shouldn’t god just hate himself for creating us the way he did?

the nigger probably does