'Goodbye yellow brick road' is the album title. I labeled it as such. If you go back and read my post, correctly this time, you will see that I never made any mention of that song, other than as a reference to a movie that many queers love. In fact I didn't even realize it was a song, I thought it was just the album title. Any other straw men you want to construct?
Where did you admit the alice song was about being queer? Point that out for me. Denial, denial, denial.
If you go back and re-read MY post, you will see that I admitted I made a mistake (yes humans do that) and I thought you were talking about "Yellow Brick Road," and not "Alice." In post #65, by me, you'll see where I actually gave a link to that song, and I said it wasn't gay. Then, in post #97, by me, you can reread when I realized you were talking about "Alice," and not "Yellow Brick Road," and it was there that I admitted the "Alice" song was about a lesbian. For some unknown reason I just thought of "Yellow Brick Road" when I saw those words and totally lost track of the "Alice" lyrics until you had to repost them.
So, there is no denial, no denial, no denial. I am right and you are wrong on this one. I will admit that I misread your post and got the song messed up, I am a human, a man at that, and I'm not afraid to admit when I mess up. You, on the other hand, seem to think you are always right and I have proven you wrong several times, but instead of saying "Oh, you're right, I'm wrong," you move on to a different subject and ignore when I called you out. Once again, Elton John may sing about gays, he may not, but I am standing by what I've always said, just one simple thing, that he is still a good musician. At this point it doesn't even matter to me anymore. If Jesus were alive he'd probably admit the same thing, but would he care that Elton John was a good musician? Probably not, he would care more about his salvation.
Yes, facts are me putting words in people's mouths. I say you don't literally follow the bible, which you don't, and I'm 'putting words in your mouth.' Heres another fact..you pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to follow.
I've shown you in the bible where it says to kill queers. I never said jesus said to kill gays, I said the bible did. If you choose to ignore half the bible, thats your lookout, not mine. Wow...you accuse me of twisting words, yet here you are trying to change everything I said so that it fits your argument better. I like how you twisted my words into an argument you can win, an argument which has nothing to do with what I actually said, and then declared victory yet again.
I NEVER once said I literally follow the Bible to every word. So yes, I agree, I don't literally follow the Bible, whether its intentionally or unintentionall
y. If I followed everything the Bible said, commanded me to do, then I would be perfect and I would never sin. But I don't, I CANNOT, because I am human, and I was separated from God. That is where Jesus comes in - he followed all of God's word, he lived the perfect life, and by me admitting I'm a sinner and not perfect and not worthy of God, but asking Jesus to come into my life and the Holy Spirit to fill my heart, I have become a child of God. By Jesus dieing on the cross, he died for my sins and for everyone else's, sins I've committed in the past, sins I committ today, and sins I'll comitt for the rest of my life.
Just because I cannot perform everything Bible says, doesn't mean I don't try to, and doesn't mean I'm not a Christian, or a hypocrite, and any other label you love using. It just means I'm in need of a savior. You don't understand any of this though because you yourself do not know Jesus/God. It is NOT a fact that I pick and choose which parts of the Bible I want to follow. Since you probably didn't read it or didn't understand it, I said that the Old Testament was from a different convanent, one in which we do not live now. We live in a new convanent now, and follow what Jesus has taught, in the New Testament, which still comes from God. God commanded others to do thing, kill, ect., but he is not commanding ME to do that because I am not living in Old Testament times. People use to bring sacrifices as an offering to God - they do not do that anymore because we have Jesus now. God commanded that in the Old Testament, does that mean I should be doing it right now? No.
Yes, you've shown me where it says or talking about killing gays in the Bible, but that is not what I asked. I asked you to show me where it commandes
ME personally to do so, and you still haven't found that verse. You found the LV verse in which God commands Moses to do it, and you found the Romans verse in which Paul talks about God's wrath and God's judgement of gays, not mine. Its all about God, don't you see, not about me. I'm just living my life according to God's will. I am not judging them, God is. I am called to share my testimony and the gospel with them.
But since you insist, here is an example of the New Testament calling for the death of homosexuals. I can't wait to see how you try to twist this.
"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them
There are your god's alleged words, straight from him. Claiming to believe in something that you haven't read and explored fully is idiotic. And for someone who wears his religion on his sleeve, you really should be better prepared for people who don't believe in your hocus pocus bullshit. By the way, I've read the bible completely through twice. And that was before I was 12. It was under coercion, of course, but I would think a 'rational' adult xtian like yourself would be interested in reading what he claims to believe. It is sad to think that I came to a more rational and informed conclusion on xtianity at the age of 12 than you have at 23 or whatever you are. Sheep.
If you think I am "twisting" your words, I apologize. If you want me to (believe me you don't because I'll prove you wrong), I will go back to your post where you talked about stoning gays, quote it word-for-word, show you where I said that doesn't apply to me, and then you never did show me. Its not twisting words to win an argument. Do you think that is what this is about? Do you think I am trying to "win" an argument? You are wrong if you think so. I know I not going to change your mind, I know I will never declare victory on this post. What I do know is that I am sharing my life and my beliefs with you, and that it is causing you to think about it more closely. If you do become a Christian, it won't be because of me, it'll be because of God and I was just planting a seed.
Like I said, those verses you quoted from Romans are Paul talking about God's wrath and judgement against people who know God and what God wants but neither have glorified him nor gave thanks to him. People like you. Although you may not be gay, you have a knowledge of God (reading the Bible twice before you were 12 means almost nothing because you did not apply it), yet you still refuse him. It is you who is dead. Your spirit is dead, you are dead in your sins, and it will ultimately lead to a physical death, but of course we will all die. This is what Blakjax was saying, and you were right, the soul never dies, but the Bible refers to "dead souls/spirits" as ones which do not know God. They are dead in their sins. Become a believer is being "born again," a new creation, even though its not physical, its spiritual.
I am not claiming to believe in something I have never fully explored. Being a Christian is not reading the Bible cover to cover, as much as possible, memorizing every verse, and blah blah blah. It helps in your relationship with God, to know him more. Obviously the more you read, and the more you pray, the more you know Him. But I still know him, and that is all that matters. Here's what I claim to believe: God is perfect, holy, he created everything. He created man, in His image, to worship Him. Man sinned against him. Man and God became separated. Jesus was sent to live the life that God created man for, then died for all of man's sins. People who admit they sin and they surrended their lives to Jesus are once again connected to God, but only through Jesus. God cannot look down on us for we are not holy. But it is through the blood of Christ that he sees us and knows us, and that we may know Him. That is what I believe.
I'm sorry if I cannot tell you some of the stories from the Old Testament. Maybe some day I will. But that is not what matters, not to Christians, maybe to people like you. I read the word, I pray to God, and I try to live my life to glorify him. I've known several people with a much better understanding of the Bible than me, but they didn't have a personal relationship with God, therefore they were dead as well. It is sad to think that you THINK you have a rational and informed knowledge of the Bible but you do not have a personal relationship with God. It is sad to think that you are still living by the same spiritual beliefs as when you were twelve. I was once like you, not exactly the same, but a lot like you. I loved to argue Christianity and make fun of it and all that, but then I really looked into it and realized the truth. Basically there are two types of people in this world - saved and unsaved. The saved people who read this will know exactly what I'm talking about. The unsaved people will read it and either agree with you, agree with me but still not committ their lives to Christ, be totally confused, or just not care.
If you want to continue the Bible study, let's hear some more scripture and how I allegedly do not "choose" to apply it to my life, when it was never meant for me to follow anyway. I am not "claiming" to believe what I believe, I do believe it. For some reason it upsets you. I am not one of the "bible thumpers" who is going to try to change your life and scream at you and tell you that you're going to burn in hell, even though at this point I believe you will I'm not going to say it to you. But do not pretend to think you know me, to know what I have done and haven't done for God, to think I haven't labored for him, to think all of this is fake and phony. If you truly knew me and said those things, then maybe I'd be interested, but you don't and I'm not. I am interested in telling you what is truth. What I find funny is that Jesus warned me about you, he warned all Christians that they would face opposition. Its so much easier to live on your side, but it is so much better to be on mine.